ATLUS OSTs + fanvids have been taken down from youtube. Next to nothing left.

[MammothBlade]

If the soundtrack adds additional content, then fine, but paying twice for something I own already? Lolno. That's just asking to be a cashcow.

If you aren't willing to buy the OSTs then don't, simple as that. Go to a torrent site or extract the files yourself or whatever. But don't expect to be able to listen to the music for free just because you think "there's no harm" and then complain when you can't anymore. The stuff is copyrighted for a reason.

Same shit, different method. Common sense says it's fair use, since I bought the game WITH the soundtrack included inside the game files. So are let's plays and fan creations, and companies should be thankful for the exposure which creates more demand for their actual products.

That sounds more like you not wanting to pay for an actual OST and trying to justify yourself. If you want to listen to the music that's on the game files; then boot up the game, turn the volume up and let the game idle at that part. As for companies being grateful for exposure which creates more demand... HAHAHAH... no... not in the OST world. Many OST's that are sold are usually bootleg knock-offs. Most people see nothing but a price difference when comparing two devices, and they usually go with the cheaper one which is the fake. Seeing something online doesn't help spread demand as if someone encounters it online, they're more likely to just keep experiencing it online and not put some capital out there to have their own copy; especially when something is out of print and/or rare (which means expensive).

OST CDs are an accessory to the game. And the availability of OSTs on youtube is exposure for the game itself. I've introduced several friends to games through showing them the OST. And get real, I'm not going to open the game just to listen to the soundtrack when I'm using my PC. I have it on in the background, on youtube or foobar.

People can't be blamed for choosing not to get ripped off for expensive/ out of print soundtracks. Few are stupid enough to buy a 30 quid CD when they can just rip it.

If your desire is to be lazy and call people stupid for buying actual product that goes towards supporting the developer, then there's no room for discussion. You think you're entitled to it just because you bought the game and people who tend to spend money on other merchandise is stupid. So in your regard, I'm stupid. At the same time I'm not lazy and won't need to complain when something gets taken off youtube.

Do you always do everything the pointlessly hard and needlessly expensive way? That's being a tool, in one's humble opinion.

I am supporting the developer. By buying most of their games reliably, usually at launch. I am entitled to just a little back in return in such a mutually beneficial relationship, wouldn't you say.... and besides, this isn't about entitlement, it's about common sense.

I consider it being a fan, on top of other things I do. I also wouldn't consider it an entitlement, all you bought was the game. Which isn't saying much since pretty much everything Atlus releases outside of Japan receives a limited press and will be snatched up sooner much before later. Exceptions being the few games they did a second or Greatest Hits print of. You complain about losing the ability to listen to the music when a youtube video/page is taken down, you didn't buy an OST and don't want to listen to the music through the medium which you purchased; you're entitled, no common sense, just greed.

You're calling me greedy now? Really? If that were the case I'd just pirate everything.

Go for it, just don't cry when you download a malicious file or the leaked version doesn't let you progress properly.

Wow, that was fast. No I'll pass. I have principles on this sort of thing.

Evidently, you don't really grasp the situation Atlus - or most JRPG- fans are in. OSTs are in short supply. There is a limit to how many people can 'own' a copy of Atlus soundtracks. Besides, they're usually sold second-hand at extortionate prices beyond the release date. ATLUS aren't losing anything because someone doesn't buy a second-hand soundtrack that won't ever be released again.

OST's aren't in short supply and not every secondhand seller is an extortionist; you just need to know where to look. You end up paying more for the OST than a regular CD because they're rarely released outside of Japan, and they have inflated prices on a lot of their media... there's also shipping costs if you live outside there. There's a good sized community of people who enjoy collecting OST's, we know how hard it can be, but at the same time it's all about knowing where to look. You also fail to know that some soundtracks have actually been reprinted as well, to include SMT games, in fact I'm looking at a Persona 2: Innocent Sin OST reprint that came out in 2011. If you don't want to spend the money, you should just admit it.

I'm not averse to buying OSTs when they're at the right price. Yet, that still doesn't null the point that such are still in limited circulation, there's definitely not enough CDs for every single Persona fan who enjoyed the game and wants to listen to the OST. What about the have-nots? Yeah, it's better for everyone that OSTs are freely available on youtube.

 

[MammothBlade]

If the soundtrack adds additional content, then fine, but paying twice for something I own already? Lolno. That's just asking to be a cashcow.

If you aren't willing to buy the OSTs then don't, simple as that. Go to a torrent site or extract the files yourself or whatever. But don't expect to be able to listen to the music for free just because you think "there's no harm" and then complain when you can't anymore. The stuff is copyrighted for a reason.

Same shit, different method. Common sense says it's fair use, since I bought the game WITH the soundtrack included inside the game files. So are let's plays and fan creations, and companies should be thankful for the exposure which creates more demand for their actual products.

That sounds more like you not wanting to pay for an actual OST and trying to justify yourself. If you want to listen to the music that's on the game files; then boot up the game, turn the volume up and let the game idle at that part. As for companies being grateful for exposure which creates more demand... HAHAHAH... no... not in the OST world. Many OST's that are sold are usually bootleg knock-offs. Most people see nothing but a price difference when comparing two devices, and they usually go with the cheaper one which is the fake. Seeing something online doesn't help spread demand as if someone encounters it online, they're more likely to just keep experiencing it online and not put some capital out there to have their own copy; especially when something is out of print and/or rare (which means expensive).

OST CDs are an accessory to the game. And the availability of OSTs on youtube is exposure for the game itself. I've introduced several friends to games through showing them the OST. And get real, I'm not going to open the game just to listen to the soundtrack when I'm using my PC. I have it on in the background, on youtube or foobar.

People can't be blamed for choosing not to get ripped off for expensive/ out of print soundtracks. Few are stupid enough to buy a 30 quid CD when they can just rip it.

If your desire is to be lazy and call people stupid for buying actual product that goes towards supporting the developer, then there's no room for discussion. You think you're entitled to it just because you bought the game and people who tend to spend money on other merchandise is stupid. So in your regard, I'm stupid. At the same time I'm not lazy and won't need to complain when something gets taken off youtube.

Do you always do everything the pointlessly hard and needlessly expensive way? That's being a tool, in one's humble opinion.

I am supporting the developer. By buying most of their games reliably, usually at launch. I am entitled to just a little back in return in such a mutually beneficial relationship, wouldn't you say.... and besides, this isn't about entitlement, it's about common sense.

I consider it being a fan, on top of other things I do. I also wouldn't consider it an entitlement, all you bought was the game. Which isn't saying much since pretty much everything Atlus releases outside of Japan receives a limited press and will be snatched up sooner much before later. Exceptions being the few games they did a second or Greatest Hits print of. You complain about losing the ability to listen to the music when a youtube video/page is taken down, you didn't buy an OST and don't want to listen to the music through the medium which you purchased; you're entitled, no common sense, just greed.

You're calling me greedy now? Really? If that were the case I'd just pirate everything.

Go for it, just don't cry when you download a malicious file or the leaked version doesn't let you progress properly.

Wow, that was fast. No I'll pass. I have principles on this sort of thing.

Evidently, you don't really grasp the situation Atlus - or most JRPG- fans are in. OSTs are in short supply. There is a limit to how many people can 'own' a copy of Atlus soundtracks. Besides, they're usually sold second-hand at extortionate prices beyond the release date. ATLUS aren't losing anything because someone doesn't buy a second-hand soundtrack that won't ever be released again.

OST's aren't in short supply and not every secondhand seller is an extortionist; you just need to know where to look. You end up paying more for the OST than a regular CD because they're rarely released outside of Japan, and they have inflated prices on a lot of their media... there's also shipping costs if you live outside there. There's a good sized community of people who enjoy collecting OST's, we know how hard it can be, but at the same time it's all about knowing where to look. You also fail to know that some soundtracks have actually been reprinted as well, to include SMT games, in fact I'm looking at a Persona 2: Innocent Sin OST reprint that came out in 2011. If you don't want to spend the money, you should just admit it.

I'm not averse to buying OSTs when they're at the right price. Yet, that still doesn't null the point that such are still in limited circulation, there's definitely not enough CDs for every single Persona fan who enjoyed the game and wants to listen to the OST. What about the have-nots? Yeah, it's better for everyone that OSTs are freely available on youtube.

You're not adverse to buying them at the right price, which I imagine is never because the price of them is inflated due to an overwhelming majority of them having a region specific release. You cite there not being enough CD's in circulation to which I can point to several that are still being sold new (as in never opened); so to counter that, I'd imagine they're like you and just don't like the price. So what about those have-nots? So what, it's not better for everyone to have a sense of entitlement, nothing is free.

Calling people entitled for wanting something that costs nothing to reproduce digitally and has since earned a massive profit, hahaha, that's rich. The only people who are acting 'entitled' here are those who want to keep milking existing copyrights without producing new works.

 

[MammothBlade]

If the soundtrack adds additional content, then fine, but paying twice for something I own already? Lolno. That's just asking to be a cashcow.

If you aren't willing to buy the OSTs then don't, simple as that. Go to a torrent site or extract the files yourself or whatever. But don't expect to be able to listen to the music for free just because you think "there's no harm" and then complain when you can't anymore. The stuff is copyrighted for a reason.

Same shit, different method. Common sense says it's fair use, since I bought the game WITH the soundtrack included inside the game files. So are let's plays and fan creations, and companies should be thankful for the exposure which creates more demand for their actual products.

That sounds more like you not wanting to pay for an actual OST and trying to justify yourself. If you want to listen to the music that's on the game files; then boot up the game, turn the volume up and let the game idle at that part. As for companies being grateful for exposure which creates more demand... HAHAHAH... no... not in the OST world. Many OST's that are sold are usually bootleg knock-offs. Most people see nothing but a price difference when comparing two devices, and they usually go with the cheaper one which is the fake. Seeing something online doesn't help spread demand as if someone encounters it online, they're more likely to just keep experiencing it online and not put some capital out there to have their own copy; especially when something is out of print and/or rare (which means expensive).

OST CDs are an accessory to the game. And the availability of OSTs on youtube is exposure for the game itself. I've introduced several friends to games through showing them the OST. And get real, I'm not going to open the game just to listen to the soundtrack when I'm using my PC. I have it on in the background, on youtube or foobar.

People can't be blamed for choosing not to get ripped off for expensive/ out of print soundtracks. Few are stupid enough to buy a 30 quid CD when they can just rip it.

If your desire is to be lazy and call people stupid for buying actual product that goes towards supporting the developer, then there's no room for discussion. You think you're entitled to it just because you bought the game and people who tend to spend money on other merchandise is stupid. So in your regard, I'm stupid. At the same time I'm not lazy and won't need to complain when something gets taken off youtube.

Do you always do everything the pointlessly hard and needlessly expensive way? That's being a tool, in one's humble opinion.

I am supporting the developer. By buying most of their games reliably, usually at launch. I am entitled to just a little back in return in such a mutually beneficial relationship, wouldn't you say.... and besides, this isn't about entitlement, it's about common sense.

I consider it being a fan, on top of other things I do. I also wouldn't consider it an entitlement, all you bought was the game. Which isn't saying much since pretty much everything Atlus releases outside of Japan receives a limited press and will be snatched up sooner much before later. Exceptions being the few games they did a second or Greatest Hits print of. You complain about losing the ability to listen to the music when a youtube video/page is taken down, you didn't buy an OST and don't want to listen to the music through the medium which you purchased; you're entitled, no common sense, just greed.

You're calling me greedy now? Really? If that were the case I'd just pirate everything.

Go for it, just don't cry when you download a malicious file or the leaked version doesn't let you progress properly.

Wow, that was fast. No I'll pass. I have principles on this sort of thing.

Evidently, you don't really grasp the situation Atlus - or most JRPG- fans are in. OSTs are in short supply. There is a limit to how many people can 'own' a copy of Atlus soundtracks. Besides, they're usually sold second-hand at extortionate prices beyond the release date. ATLUS aren't losing anything because someone doesn't buy a second-hand soundtrack that won't ever be released again.

OST's aren't in short supply and not every secondhand seller is an extortionist; you just need to know where to look. You end up paying more for the OST than a regular CD because they're rarely released outside of Japan, and they have inflated prices on a lot of their media... there's also shipping costs if you live outside there. There's a good sized community of people who enjoy collecting OST's, we know how hard it can be, but at the same time it's all about knowing where to look. You also fail to know that some soundtracks have actually been reprinted as well, to include SMT games, in fact I'm looking at a Persona 2: Innocent Sin OST reprint that came out in 2011. If you don't want to spend the money, you should just admit it.

I'm not averse to buying OSTs when they're at the right price. Yet, that still doesn't null the point that such are still in limited circulation, there's definitely not enough CDs for every single Persona fan who enjoyed the game and wants to listen to the OST. What about the have-nots? Yeah, it's better for everyone that OSTs are freely available on youtube.

You're not adverse to buying them at the right price, which I imagine is never because the price of them is inflated due to an overwhelming majority of them having a region specific release. You cite there not being enough CD's in circulation to which I can point to several that are still being sold new (as in never opened); so to counter that, I'd imagine they're like you and just don't like the price. So what about those have-nots? So what, it's not better for everyone to have a sense of entitlement, nothing is free.

Calling people entitled for wanting something that costs nothing to reproduce digitally and has since earned a massive profit, hahaha, that's rich. The only people who are acting 'entitled' here are those who want to keep milking existing copyrights without producing new works.

Entitled for wanting to milk copyrights? As opposed to people who gain something from nothing? Hmm, pretty sure the latter is showing more deviancy, as the copyright holder isn't forcing you to buy anything. If you don't like paying for things then don't, but when something you didn't pay for is taken away you're not entitled to ***** about it.

I don't need an entitlement to ***** about anything.

 

[Dragonbums]

I don't know, but some people are saying that some Russian actress or someone posing as her, made DMCA claims against a ton of Persona-related content. Some of the videos have been taken down by claimants using Russian names. It stinks.

It is the Russian actress again I believe. There have been claims about that. When you click on the videos does it say that the uploader removed it, or that it was removed by "*insert company name*"? Mainly because the Russian actress thing has been a problem for a while now, and false copyright claims aren't new to YouTube that's for sure.

You could also do the simple thing: Buy the bloody music. Not all that hard, ya'know?

Except when the actual OSTs are either no longer available for sale online, or when they aren't even being made anymore. This is especially a problem with Sonic game OSTs. For example, the OST for Sonic Generations costs $52 at it's cheapest while the game itself costs anywhere between $10-$20.

Don't even get me started on the FE: Awakening Soundtrack.

Not only is it unavailable here. But to get it straight form Japan it costs upwards of $60-92.00 Hell no I'm not paying that much for a soundtrack (as damn good as it is.)

 

[Dragonbums]

If the soundtrack adds additional content, then fine, but paying twice for something I own already? Lolno. That's just asking to be a cashcow.

If you aren't willing to buy the OSTs then don't, simple as that. Go to a torrent site or extract the files yourself or whatever. But don't expect to be able to listen to the music for free just because you think "there's no harm" and then complain when you can't anymore. The stuff is copyrighted for a reason.

Same shit, different method. Common sense says it's fair use, since I bought the game WITH the soundtrack included inside the game files. So are let's plays and fan creations, and companies should be thankful for the exposure which creates more demand for their actual products.

That sounds more like you not wanting to pay for an actual OST and trying to justify yourself. If you want to listen to the music that's on the game files; then boot up the game, turn the volume up and let the game idle at that part. As for companies being grateful for exposure which creates more demand... HAHAHAH... no... not in the OST world. Many OST's that are sold are usually bootleg knock-offs. Most people see nothing but a price difference when comparing two devices, and they usually go with the cheaper one which is the fake. Seeing something online doesn't help spread demand as if someone encounters it online, they're more likely to just keep experiencing it online and not put some capital out there to have their own copy; especially when something is out of print and/or rare (which means expensive).

What is the difference? No seriously. What is the difference here?

The musicians for the games have already been paid for their orchestra work on the game long before it releases. They get paid bonuses for every time a unit has been bought full price. If I can listen to the songs for as much as I want in my game. What literal difference does it make money wise if I can also listen to the cracked files on my ipod. None. Because in both scenarios I didn't pay ATLUS any money to continue listening to their music at leisure.

 

[TheMigrantSoldier]

The dual mixes.. mah dual mixes... NO! Wait, there here. Close one.

This may be a -little- bit of a sign for Youtube that maybe their system isn't quite ideal.

 

[M0rp43vs]

The dual mixes.. mah dual mixes... NO! Wait, there here. Close one.

There are? Where?
I can't find the really amazing Almighty Dual mix or any of the Quad mix.

Youtube copyright makes me sad.

 

[Roxas1359]

The dual mixes.. mah dual mixes... NO! Wait, there here. Close one.

There are? Where?
I can't find the really amazing Almighty Dual mix or any of the Quad mix.

Youtube copyright makes me sad.

It's funny that your avatar is a quote from Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged since CardGamesFTW has had so many issues with YouTube's copyright it's outrageous.