Australian Christian Lobby Joins the Fight Against R18+ Game Ratings
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Quite simple: if asked to back up their answers with a Bible, they can't do it without grasping at major straws.theultimateend said:How do you know you are the proper Christian and they aren't?lacktheknack said:
If we were to look deeply into the faith who would be following it more properly?
I'm just curious because I often think people label themselves as something they are not because of what they believe that thing is.
Like when a singer says they are hardcore punk but they are pop. Just because they said they are doesn't mean they are.
Just curious on your insight.
Besides, God and Jesus had some VERY choice words for self-righteous killjoys (brood of vipers, whitewashed tombs, etc...)
Hey, that 'craphole' you speak of is considered one of the greatest nations on EarthPendragon9 said:
Just watch your wording...
Football is religion (ho ho ho)JWW said:
No, while I can't cite exactly numbers and figures, religion isn't that important or nearly as influential as it is in the States. Around the area where I live, 9/10 people are either Atheists or couldn't care less, and if someone is religious we don't really seem to care either. We're an apathetic bunch o' people, we are...
I shouldn't be angry at this - it shouldn't come as a surprise and I no longer live in Australia (not because of gaming and such) - but this still gets to me. It's how they skirt the real issue. R18+ rating is for adults. They only mention this once but claim, at the same time, that children will "inevitably" get their hands on R18+ games. That's just a slap in the face to parents and people that work in places that sell games.
Congratulations, Australian Christian Lobby.
You're now associated with Michael Atkinson.
Good job.
You're now associated with Michael Atkinson.
Good job.
Can't you guys just buy 18+ games off ebay, carry the cases with you in public just to be annoying in silent protest, & deny where you got it when a nosey fogie asks you about it? It's called "sticking it to the man." Or band together & issues hundreds of lawsuits for anything you can think of?
We don't need your pity! [sub]I kid, the pity is much appreciated[/sub]silver wolf009 said:
OT: What happened to us! We had it made! We have managed to avoid most of the rest of the world's excrement for the past 200+ years, why is it all raining down on us now!!! [sub]The most likely cause being that giant fan they built in the northern hemisphere[/sub]
It is actually quite sad, I mean, if Australians were more ignorant, they would dislike religion more and their support of Atkinson would actually hurt his campaigning, on the other hand, if they were less ignorant they would understand that this 'Games turn people into murderers' crap that every anti-gamer seems to be throwing around is exactly that, a giant pile of steaming poop.
How about religion? Not all mind you, just the really violent stuff whose holy books have condoned killing minorities or other nations and stuff. A few pixellated blood splatters is nothing compared to a religious directive saying a group of people are monsters that need to be killed just because they follow a different lifestyle, I'm sure the latter is far more harmful and influential when children are exposed to it. It just oozes violence and gang behaviour.Amalith said:
Yes yes, I know not everybody takes the literalist fundie stance, guys. No need for the less rabid Christians to get riled up, just a thought I had about how literalists are always shocked at violent media but don't see the hatred they indoctrinate in their own children which I'm sad to say often leads to acts of violence.
The games don't force children to identify with anything, they force adults to. Children aren't playing these games.Andy Chalk said:
Yep everything gets into the hands of children. That why our streets are rampant with children holding guns, porn, beer, you name it. Should take the right to drive off adults too, because if we don't the little kids will somehow get a hold of it.
I think a lot of Aussies are considering moving for this reason. Which is a pity, because Australia's wonderful. It's ironic, considering how I would think they'd want us to stay there and help the economy and all of that other good stuff.JWW said:
As to your question, well, I wouldn't say Australia is as religious as the US, but because we kiss the very ground the US walks on we could well become more religious in the fullness of time. We have religious extremists and churches that I would describe as "scary" at best, and many influential politicians approve highly of these places. Also the distinction between church and state isn't as strongly enforced in Aus, and I personally think that the majority of influential politician's religious beliefs influences, to some extent at least, their decision-making. Not just in relation to gaming laws, obviously, since most politicians are OK with the R18+ rating.
I wouldn't worry about the States becoming like us, though. Along with Japan, you guys are the strongest gaming nation in the world, and while I'm sure there are people there who think similarly to Atkinson and the Christian Lobby, it's probably a bit too late to stop it.
well first and foremost something that alot of Americans assume (dont worry alot of australians do too)is that we have a freedom of speach which is contained in our constitution, this is not the case our freedom of speech is upheld because of our democratic system but is certainly not a right. if it were i highly doubt we would be in the position of video game and internet censorship.
As for religion i would say that alot of Australians would identify themselves as christians even if they are no where near as observant as a lot of Ammerican christians are, however as we are a primarily christian nation the politics of Australia are heavily influenced by right wing christian agendas.
i think it is a joke what atkinson is doing as he is not allowing the nation to have its say if he were to agree and this item were to pass through it still needs to be passed by the lower house of federal parliment as well as the senate both of which are much more representative of austalias population then only the elected parties stance in one state possibly only one electorate as the SA government hasnt really come to support or hinder atkinson
As for religion i would say that alot of Australians would identify themselves as christians even if they are no where near as observant as a lot of Ammerican christians are, however as we are a primarily christian nation the politics of Australia are heavily influenced by right wing christian agendas.
i think it is a joke what atkinson is doing as he is not allowing the nation to have its say if he were to agree and this item were to pass through it still needs to be passed by the lower house of federal parliment as well as the senate both of which are much more representative of austalias population then only the elected parties stance in one state possibly only one electorate as the SA government hasnt really come to support or hinder atkinson
The general consensus is that children will be exposed to More "Sex and Violence" as a result of the R18+ ratings. I pose this question to those deckheads. Who in their right mind would sell an R18+ game and video for that matter to a child underage? And since when did Australian Gamers need to be protected from games that are too violent? The reason why we play video games is to enjoy its full value and not the crappy censored versions.
They are still making the same mistakes.
"Many games force the child to identify with the aggressor and children are rewarded for immoral conduct and violent behavior. Research shows that increased playing of violent first person shooter games can significantly increase aggression," the group said. "And remember, even if R18+ games were only sold to adults, they would inevitably find their way into children's hands."
Ok, lets break this down.
"Many games force the child to identify with the aggressor and children are rewarded for immoral conduct and violent behavior"
Its an 18 plus rating, not for children you dolt.
"Research shows that increased playing of violent first person shooter games can significantly increase aggression"
Yes. Except racing games actually do that too. Are you going to ban them next?
"And remember, even if R18+ games were only sold to adults, they would inevitably find their way into children's hands."
Is that why you guys have 18+ films on your TV? What about alcohol? Why not ban everything that /could/ find its way into children's hands.
"Many games force the child to identify with the aggressor and children are rewarded for immoral conduct and violent behavior. Research shows that increased playing of violent first person shooter games can significantly increase aggression," the group said. "And remember, even if R18+ games were only sold to adults, they would inevitably find their way into children's hands."
Ok, lets break this down.
"Many games force the child to identify with the aggressor and children are rewarded for immoral conduct and violent behavior"
Its an 18 plus rating, not for children you dolt.
"Research shows that increased playing of violent first person shooter games can significantly increase aggression"
Yes. Except racing games actually do that too. Are you going to ban them next?
"And remember, even if R18+ games were only sold to adults, they would inevitably find their way into children's hands."
Is that why you guys have 18+ films on your TV? What about alcohol? Why not ban everything that /could/ find its way into children's hands.