Australian Christian Lobby Joins the Fight Against R18+ Game Ratings
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Y'all Aussie folk just need to move away. Because Michael wont stop running his mouth and it seems the bile he spews out infects everyone who agree with him in the slightest.
I know this has been said before, but I'm going to try one more time.
Video Games are not toys, they are not aimed at children, they are an entire entertainment medium. You can't say that having adult content involved in any part of the medium gets children to "do" anything, nevermind get them to "identify" with violent antagonists. If the rating is approved, than it should serve as warning enough that children don't play those games.
You know, I wonder sometimes about Australian culture. The odds are I never go there, but how does a democratic nation have a serious debate about censorship. Sure, sure, all nations have their fanatics. Jack Thompson, Fox News, the God Squad, etc. (Just a heads up, the God Squad is an actual lobbyist group in Canada, not a clever catch all phrase for the Christian Right) but the fact that a politician could be taken seriously after making such a bullheaded stance? It seems so alien.
Video Games are not toys, they are not aimed at children, they are an entire entertainment medium. You can't say that having adult content involved in any part of the medium gets children to "do" anything, nevermind get them to "identify" with violent antagonists. If the rating is approved, than it should serve as warning enough that children don't play those games.
You know, I wonder sometimes about Australian culture. The odds are I never go there, but how does a democratic nation have a serious debate about censorship. Sure, sure, all nations have their fanatics. Jack Thompson, Fox News, the God Squad, etc. (Just a heads up, the God Squad is an actual lobbyist group in Canada, not a clever catch all phrase for the Christian Right) but the fact that a politician could be taken seriously after making such a bullheaded stance? It seems so alien.
Yeah, so do I. Seriously though, what can we do? We've tried reasonable arguments, being nice (well, as nice as possible, considering we don't have much control over what the stupid gamers say and do), death threats (not me personally, but I hear Atkinson gets quite a few of those, and I have yet to see any them make any sway in his opinion), internet wide ridicule. Short of an actual revolution or mass symbolic suicide, which I doubt we could organise, there's really nothing we can do. Once these people get an idea like this in their heads, all they're going to do is clamp their hands over their ears, shut their eyes and scream "LALALANOTLISTENINGGAMESAREBADSAVETHECHILDRENLALALALA", and you know what? People listen. I can actually believe that most Australians actually vote against the R rating because, for the most part, this is the only side of the argument they hear, and in some cases the only side they want to hear. Once they hear that they alternative would be voting for hardcore violence and sex in games (because that's usually the only side that gets reported in the mass media), why would they want to appear to voting for that? In Australia, gamers are still seen as a whiny bunch of immature adolescents that climb trees and fall out and get a boo-boo. Unfortunately, instead of actually monitering, the parents just yell "CUT DOWN THE TREES". I don't see this mindset changing any time in the near future. I think it will change, but not for a while yet.Shaoken said:
I hope I'm wrong, god I hope I'm wrong, but that's just the way I see it. Besides, even if it did get changed and we ended up with an R rating, the fact of the matter is that this has been allowed to happen and, personally, I don't want to be a part of a system where one single man is allowed to have so much power over the populace. I'm sick of it, and I want out.
What, are they going to ban violence completely? Maybe I should start work on a freeware 18+ FPS which pits you against a corrupt government of a large island. Full of large jumping marsupials.
Let's see them stop me hosting it overseas and getting people to download it here.
Let's see them stop me hosting it overseas and getting people to download it here.
For a start all Gamers over 18 are required to vote by law.
Also where the fuck is this supposed research the ACL and Atkinson keeps banging on about.
I'd like to read it for myself.
I wonder how many ACTUAL deaths alchohol and tobacco have directly contributed to in Australia?
Do the ACL lobby the government to ban them?
Last time I checked we still have a binge drinking epedemic among adults and increasingly among youths.Seems to me we have bigger fish to fry than video games.
Just goes to show how skewed,hypocritical,gullible and irrelevant these religious based groups can be.
Also where the fuck is this supposed research the ACL and Atkinson keeps banging on about.
I'd like to read it for myself.
I wonder how many ACTUAL deaths alchohol and tobacco have directly contributed to in Australia?
Do the ACL lobby the government to ban them?
Last time I checked we still have a binge drinking epedemic among adults and increasingly among youths.Seems to me we have bigger fish to fry than video games.
Just goes to show how skewed,hypocritical,gullible and irrelevant these religious based groups can be.
Yes, I've come across the ACL sticking their noses where it doesn't belong before. Anybody with any knowledge of the fight for civil rights in Australia is familiar with them and their "don't you DARE legislate that or you'll lose the Christian vote!" rhetoric. They are particularly and inexplicably focused on gays most of the time, they won't even allow civil union laws much less marriage for them. And the government caves in to them on almost every occasion, heck both our current and former prime ministers gave speeches at ACL functions and churches.
I just wish against all reality that we can get a political party into office with a leader who will turn around and say "No, we're not going to jump through the hoops of lobbyists, we know they represent special interests and not the majority so we're going to do what the people want". Naive of me, I know.
I just wish against all reality that we can get a political party into office with a leader who will turn around and say "No, we're not going to jump through the hoops of lobbyists, we know they represent special interests and not the majority so we're going to do what the people want". Naive of me, I know.
How do you know you are the proper Christian and they aren't?lacktheknack said:
If we were to look deeply into the faith who would be following it more properly?
I'm just curious because I often think people label themselves as something they are not because of what they believe that thing is.
Like when a singer says they are hardcore punk but they are pop. Just because they said they are doesn't mean they are.
Just curious on your insight
.I'd have had much better grades if porn had gotten into my hands sooner. Breasts would have not been quite so entrancing as they weredochmbi said:
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Make sure its not an Austrian scientist doing the job. When I got reanimated last time, the doc who put me together kept insisting that I, "GET TO DA CHOPPA!". He was also a strict dietitian and once interrupted my dessert yelling , "PUT THAT COOKIE DOWN!". Furthermore he seemed to have a problem with my pet donkey, as he kept insisting that I send it offworld, in fact he said, "GET YO ASS TO MARS!".Beowulf DW said:
I suggest mass-emigration, but the Australians can do whatever they want.
Does anyone here know the religious climate in Australia? Is it overly religious, like in America?
It would be interesting to compare; if Australia is similar to the U.S., what happens down under could easily happen in the States.
Does anyone here know the religious climate in Australia? Is it overly religious, like in America?
It would be interesting to compare; if Australia is similar to the U.S., what happens down under could easily happen in the States.
Because porn, alcohol and ciggarettes will ALSO find their way into children's hands.Andy Chalk said:
You might as well ban all of the above if you're stupid enough to use that type of logic.
What the hell is wrong with these people? We still receive games that other countries rate as R18+, just in Australia they're marked as MA15+ so a lot more people can buy them. GTA 4 was rated R18+ in some countries, yet in Australia, the PC version is fully uncensored yet is MA15+. What about Alien VS Predator too? Now we get the same version as everybody else, though it's rated MA15+, yet even the developers have called it an adults only game.
Fucking hell I hate these people.
I live in AUS and it's so irritating I want to go and assassinate a good number of supporters.
Also if the Internet filter gets put in place I will personally burn down Conroy's house.
(I'm not being serious) but I will do something... these assholes have no clue about freedom.
I live in AUS and it's so irritating I want to go and assassinate a good number of supporters.
Also if the Internet filter gets put in place I will personally burn down Conroy's house.
(I'm not being serious) but I will do something... these assholes have no clue about freedom.
We really need change here, and on this basis. If only the gamers of this country could sit up and take notice of the Greens, we would see real change come at this next election. Even the toppling of the Liberal Party and other heavily Christianised influences like Family First is no longer out of the question if this great resource of voters is tapped.
Yes we are.Benny J said:
Yeah, I get made fun of all the time for the crap extremists pull.MortisLegio said:
Poor Australia....