Bad guys really do get the most girls.

[NewGeekPhilosopher]

http://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccoreader/37828-bad-guys-really-do-get-most-girls.html

Its very old so am sure some of you have read it. Just i dunno kind of intresting. Am not really suprised with how women are heh but i shouldnt say my oppinion or else am sure i'll get suspended. So its a good read.

Discussion?

Seen this before, many, many times. Of course it only tells part of the story.

The truth is that whether you are "nice" or "bad" makes not a lot of goddamn difference, really (because people tend to only find that stuff out about you after you've been seeing them for a while). The real story lurking behind this article is that confident guys are more successful than insecure guys. And a "bad guy" is more likely to be confident.

That doesn't mean that a nice guy can't be confident, too - just that generally, less of them are. A lot of nice guys are fairly insecure and tend to wander around thinking that the mere virtue of them being nice is all that it takes to impress someone, and then act like the world owes them something when this doesn't turn out to be the case for them.

Bad guys may get a few dates here and there, but nice guys who are also confident, not needy and secure within themselves absolutely clean up the fucking field. Did I mention that I'm dating a model, and she likes it that I'm not an asshole? She also likes it that I'm not clingy and I'm secure enough to let her do her own thing. In short, it's not the 'badness' you want to cultivate, it's the confidence. If you can be confident without being an arrogant jackass, you'll go far. Almost everyone of both sexes likes confidence in a partner, it's a highly sought-after quality, so much so that a lot of people will settle for a bit of assholism if the other person is also confident and emotionally secure.

Thank you, everyone listen to this man.

This isn't about being an asshole to being a nice guy. It's more of a confidence issue.

I went from insecure to confident (thanks to some helpful female friends) and I noticed an almost instant change on how attractive, women saw me as.

I think the reason why I go see a shrink every week is to become less insecure and anxious. Seems to be working - because it's the chicks NGP reject that make NGP the best.

I'm not needy and clingy enough to go out with a woman who smokes, for my health's sake. Which is why I don't hit on many girls on campus. Or any at all. Somehow I think when I hit round about 22 I will have my first girlfriend, maybe a year or two off that.

Women seem to respond to nice guys who are confident while being nice in my opinion. That means Densha Otoko is your new homework, nice guys. Read Densha Otoko if you like anime - because good Lord do a lot of anime fans, including myself - have to take a hint that your perfect lady isn't gonna fall outta the sky. Men and women fall in love in freaking weird situations - whether a chick hits you with her car but you survive or you save a girl on a train from a drunk guy like Densha.

I don't need to be in a relationship to be happy - I would just like to be in one. In the meantime there's a fair amount of time I have to myself which I use for creative work.

 

[Gavmando]

It's not nice guys that finish last, it's passive guys.

You can still be assertive and be a nice guy.

 

[Naheal]

I wasn't aware self-destruction, sleeping with random women and nabbing ''the most girls'' was what guys were aiming to do. If you wanted a fast ticket to a STD then sure. But I most disagree, because while their nature may get them the most girls, it seems to me that none of those girls will mean anything to them. If this is what you want, then that's fine but last I checked, a lot of guys wanted a serious relationship at some point, even if it's down the line.

including how many partners they'd had and whether they were seeking brief affairs.

Only something to show off at a STD convention.

We tend to be fairly simple. For the most part, we like food, boobs, and being able to exercise some form of power. Somehow, "getting the most" is like a badge of honor amongst us.

Really, I don't understand it. Quality over quantity imo.

 

[Eldarion]

They do, but think about the quality of the girls they are getting.

^This

Let them have the trash, makes it easy to tell who the good ones are.

 

[conflictofinterests]

"Christopher von Rueden of the University of California at Santa Barbara says that the studies are important because they confirm that personality variation has direct fitness consequences."

Anthropology class... Making me rage at this... Sooooo angry...

r/K selection [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory]

"According to Daly and Wilson, "The sexes differ more in human beings than in monogamous mammals, but much less than in extremely polygamous mammals."" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism]

If women, on average, went for these "bad guys" more than "nice guys" a) We would be having many more children and a larger number of them would die before puberty and b) Males would be much more different from females than they are currently.

The species today is predominantly monogamous. Not completely, as evidenced by the presence of these r-selected individuals, but predominantly.

 

[conflictofinterests]

To the sweet nerdy guys of the world, I cry: "Just ask me out already! It won't kill you if I say no!"

You could just ask them yourself instead of waiting for them to ask. I mean, it's a bit hypocritical to say they should have the courage to go out on a limb when you won't take the same risk.

Agreed. In this present age where things are (on the surface) starting to become more equal between the sexes, the burden of the acceptance/rejection game still seems very much exclusive to males, with a few exceptions. It might not really be my problem per se, but that is one of many things about relationships that just gets on my nerves.

Fair enough, but I am a female more oblivious than most. If I am not being pursued I tend not to realize I'm being admired and thus pine after men who are emotionally unavailable. Not at the moment, mind you, my honey is the sweetest guy with a sadist streak you'll ever meet! >;D

 

[Randamo]

I counter with this [http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/niceguys.shtml].

THAT'S how Prof. Hojo got Lucrecia over Vincent Valentine.

 

[joshuaayt]

I counter with this [http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/niceguys.shtml].

Gah. How can one article be so bitter?
Anyway... Really? I'm glad such effort was put into such an important study.

 

[Kwaren]

I think my problem stems from the lack of girls in my town who share my interests and aren't sluts.

 

[likalaruku]

Read it at least 2 weeks ago.

My favorite character in most movies & comic books is usually the hot bad guy/anti hero (or the bitchy redhaired chick) so I can't disagree.

What baffles me is how douchebags always appear to be swimming in trashy women. Do they pay them to pose with them? Douchebags are all look & talk with no actuall badassness. They're also somewhere between gross & funny to look at.

 

[Vampire cat]

Well, if thats the kind of girls you want...

 

[RubyT]

There are lots of shades between "Nice Guy" (code for Pussy) and "Bad Guy" (code for Asshole).

While I'm not good with the emotional side of things and no women has ever accused me of treating her like a Goddess, I have also never cheated on one, beaten her or exploited her in a conscious way.

But I know of women who have the saviour complex and purposefully date Bad Guys only to complain when they do all the things you'd expect of a Bad Guy.

 

[Krion_Vark]

Me and my friends and everyone that

There are lots of shades between "Nice Guy" (code for Pussy) and "Bad Guy" (code for Asshole).

Well here is my status on this whole thing. I am a nice guy but I am not a pussy.

Girls tend to go for the douchebag first because they notice them but then when they want to settle down they go for the nice guy.

Me and my friends have figured out the three types of guys that girls go for:
1)Gay
2)Awesome
3)Douchebag

NEARLY EVERY guy a girl goes for falls into one of those three categories.

 

[Elle-Jai]

As has been said, you date bad guys, you sleep with bad guys, you do not marry them. Because (to paraphrase Greg Behrendt) "Bad boys are just that: BAD for you."

 

[VanityGirl]

I read something like that on this site but I can't remember when. A long time ago. I think it was in on of the articles. Women voted pyramid head as the sexiest computer game character I think if I remember correctly and then most on the list after pyramid were villains.

What? As a woman myself I wouldn't even class pyramid head... That's just.. eww. Why not Leon Kennedy from RE4?! He's smexy!

OT:Sorry fellas, but girls don't always go for bad boys. I for one, cannot stand assholes or the whole bad boy thing. None of the guys I've dated even had tatoos for goodness sake. Hehehe.

I have fallen into the trend of dating a guy who started out nice, then turned into a butthole. He was then promptly dumped.

 

[Keepitclean]

In the counter article I must say I read it and saw myself, but it's a bit extreme to class them all as insecure and clingy.

Yeah, when I was insecure I was withdrawn from girls. I wanted nothing to do with them. When they came to me I would be nice. They tried to play 'games' with me like you see girls do in moives and on TV. Eventually I would get tired of their shit and just ignore them.

Now, now I'm just angry all the time.

 

[Azure Sky]

To the sweet nerdy guys of the world, I cry: "Just ask me out already! It won't kill you if I say no!"

You could just ask them yourself instead of waiting for them to ask. I mean, it's a bit hypocritical to say they should have the courage to go out on a limb when you won't take the same risk.

Agreed. In this present age where things are (on the surface) starting to become more equal between the sexes, the burden of the acceptance/rejection game still seems very much exclusive to males, with a few exceptions. It might not really be my problem per se, but that is one of many things about relationships that just gets on my nerves.

Mhm, with all the equality movements happening these days it irritates me a little that males are still expected to be the one to ask them out, especially when some women actually get offended when said males act in a gentlemanly fashion. (Opening/holding doors as well as a multitude of other examples I can't be bothered giving, I believe it has been covered in another thread)