Barack Obama - so much for change

[Shaoken]

Hey OP, you know he can't just snap his fingers and magically make it all better right? This is the first step to closing that place down for good. Besides, look at all the other good shit he's been doing. He has ALOT of stuff to fix, he can't do it all at once.

Thing is, he could snap his fingers and make it all better. Since Truman, the president has literally unlimited war powers.

Obama=Bush. They agree on virtually every issue. But Obama is not the problem. Nor Bush. The American people are invested in a system that not only doesn't benefit them, but ultimately has little to do with them. We should look back to our Founding Fathers. We should abolish the Federal government (which is not at all federal) and restore rule by the people. We should start from scratch and rebuild the republic. I do not think Washington can be salvaged at this point.

Man, words can't even describe how dense you must be. Sure, he technically could do that, but then the country would go to shit. No land can deal with that many changes all at once, with no plans of action. Think a little first next time okay?

You can disagree without insulting me. I do not think "the country would go to shit." I think we'd be fine.

Well you are dense. Not only don't you understand the differences between Bush and Obama (One is Pro-life, the other is Pro-Choice. One supports the "Don't Ask, Don't tell" policy, the other plans on getting rid of it. One gives G-bay detaniees no rights, the other gives them many).

And besides, in general the masses are idiots. I sure as hell wouldn't want the majority of any population to control nuclear weapons. Hell even in the beginning the people didn't rule, the picked a single person to lead them.

 

[CoziestPigeon]

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You can disagree without insulting me. I do not think "the country would go to shit." I think we'd be fine.

Sorry for insulting you, but you can't just radically change everything overnight. Especially during a current economic crisis. It just wouldn't work.

 

[LCP]

[link]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8052676.stm[/link]

So it turns out that Barack Obama, who proclaimed that under him, the US was entering a new era of respect for human rights has now decided to continue with military trials for those illegally detained at Guantanamo Bay.

While he is giving them more rights and denying evidence obtained through abuse and torture and refusing to allow heresay evidence if he wants to respect their human rights then they must be tried in a regular court of law.

Trying someone in a military court is a way of avoiding their right to justice. This seems like 'met the new boss, same as the old boss'.

The man who promised hope is now shattering the grandeur ideal of him as a true human rights supporter. It seems as though what he's done is the same old politics we see everywhere; blame the last guy for everything, pretend to repeal their ideas, implement those same ideas in a different way.

So they can torture American citizens but we shouldn't F- That! If someone wants to slice my neck off just because of my religious beliefs I would be more than glad if they got hanged or tortured in order to get info that will save lives. The problem if they are taken to a regular court is that they will have to be freed, as they were not read their rights before arrested. I don't think they would make it 3 steps outside jail, its for their own good. Human rights? someone who does not believe in human rights doesn't deserve human rights, eye for an eye it is my idea.

 

[Nanissimov]

I like quaters and nickles for my change lululul, But ya i really dilike obama because now, He is setting up a thing where in the airports they can strip search you and your labtop and ipod if they feel like it and hack into your computers. THAT DIGITAL RAPE not saftey

 

[Zeroththeking]

I dont really see why bitching about him when he hasn't even had a year in office will solve anything or make you look like you know the president, or know how to solve his problems... 3/4th of the presidents make the same mistakes as all the other ones, being that they have never been in the president spot before. Bush was retarded, and Obama just seems to be the lesser of two evils. The bowl of shit that smelled better. Doesn't seem fair to be bitching about him when he isn't a year or two years into being president, something that he has never fucking done. Of course none of you are going to even remotely consider, this, just keep going with your reasons with thick heads, like all the ignorant religious people out there.

 

[Zeroththeking]

I like quaters and nickles for my change lululul, But ya i really dilike obama because now, He is setting up a thing where in the airports they can strip search you and your labtop and ipod if they feel like it and hack into your computers. THAT DIGITAL RAPE not saftey

Your spelling just made everyone dumber... And how the fuck does that even hurt us at all? Unless you have something that is worth hacking in there, like hacked military secrets, or something of the sort, you aren't in any danger idiot. And plus, if they strip you down, big deal if he sees you, its not like he is going to want to see you again.

 

[Zeroththeking]

[link]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8052676.stm[/link]

So it turns out that Barack Obama, who proclaimed that under him, the US was entering a new era of respect for human rights has now decided to continue with military trials for those illegally detained at Guantanamo Bay.

While he is giving them more rights and denying evidence obtained through abuse and torture and refusing to allow heresay evidence if he wants to respect their human rights then they must be tried in a regular court of law.

Trying someone in a military court is a way of avoiding their right to justice. This seems like 'met the new boss, same as the old boss'.

The man who promised hope is now shattering the grandeur ideal of him as a true human rights supporter. It seems as though what he's done is the same old politics we see everywhere; blame the last guy for everything, pretend to repeal their ideas, implement those same ideas in a different way.

So they can torture American citizens but we shouldn't F- That! If someone wants to slice my neck off just because of my religious beliefs I would be more than glad if they got hanged or tortured in order to get info that will save lives. The problem if they are taken to a regular court is that they will have to be freed, as they were not read their rights before arrested. I don't think they would make it 3 steps outside jail, its for their own good. Human rights? someone who does not believe in human rights doesn't deserve human rights, eye for an eye it is my idea.

But eye for n eye has never really helped in anything, it has only caused more problems. And sure, maybe we shouldn't be giving these martyrs human rights, but its what the US pushed for. Its in the Constitution, if anyone even freaking reads it anymore, that all men are created equal, and that they get the same rights and blah blah blah. Eye for an eye is a juvenile way to think of problems like these, and if Obama were to think like that, he would get chastised for the things he did in that philosophy more then I do when I tell my girlfriend she looks fat in something.

 

[Zeroththeking]

Hey OP, you know he can't just snap his fingers and magically make it all better right? This is the first step to closing that place down for good. Besides, look at all the other good shit he's been doing. He has ALOT of stuff to fix, he can't do it all at once.

Thing is, he could snap his fingers and make it all better. Since Truman, the president has literally unlimited war powers.

Obama=Bush. They agree on virtually every issue. But Obama is not the problem. Nor Bush. The American people are invested in a system that not only doesn't benefit them, but ultimately has little to do with them. We should look back to our Founding Fathers. We should abolish the Federal government (which is not at all federal) and restore rule by the people. We should start from scratch and rebuild the republic. I do not think Washington can be salvaged at this point.

Man, words can't even describe how dense you must be. Sure, he technically could do that, but then the country would go to shit. No land can deal with that many changes all at once, with no plans of action. Think a little first next time okay?

You can disagree without insulting me. I do not think "the country would go to shit." I think we'd be fine.

Okay, as hard as that must be. People like change, and they like it usually at once, despite them knowing that changing what Bush fucked up is going to take more then four fucking years. But such a drastic change would fuck people over. There, I made it easy for you.

 

[Zeroththeking]

brb, yelling at dad for voting nobama into office

You should probably yell at him for not pulling out too.

 

[Crazy Elf]

Look, unless Obama does something amazing, such as putting Bush or members of his administration on trail for war crimes, there is very little change in having him in power. Sure, he's a better statesman and he more well liked internationally, but that's about it. It's business as usual.

 

[Nargleblarg]

says it all

 

[ironmace2.0]

I dont care what he does hes just cool! But if he is a member of the Elite like I belive I may be wary of his ideas...But he is just one man and he cant fix evreything just like that he needs time.

 

[vampirekid.13]

[link]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8052676.stm[/link]

So it turns out that Barack Obama, who proclaimed that under him, the US was entering a new era of respect for human rights has now decided to continue with military trials for those illegally detained at Guantanamo Bay.

While he is giving them more rights and denying evidence obtained through abuse and torture and refusing to allow heresay evidence if he wants to respect their human rights then they must be tried in a regular court of law.

Trying someone in a military court is a way of avoiding their right to justice. This seems like 'met the new boss, same as the old boss'.

The man who promised hope is now shattering the grandeur ideal of him as a true human rights supporter. It seems as though what he's done is the same old politics we see everywhere; blame the last guy for everything, pretend to repeal their ideas, implement those same ideas in a different way.

ehh, i dont know how to say this without being insensitive but, the people in guantanamo bay barely deserve human rights.

most people there are VERY BAD men.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

You do realize that the other option was to just sit in guantanamo indefinitely right? These people werent going to get any sort of trial to begin with under the previous administration, they had a slim hope of it but not any time soon. He is doing the only thing he can, give them a trial as fair as possible and move them on with their lives. He inherited this problem, you cant just release them all or bury them there is still a due process to be followed.

You nailed it.​

 

[Kazturkey]

Good, Guantanamo bay is a necessary evil and closing it down would only do more harm than good.

 

[Ignignoct]

[link]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8052676.stm[/link]

So it turns out that Barack Obama, who proclaimed that under him, the US was entering a new era of respect for human rights has now decided to continue with military trials for those illegally detained at Guantanamo Bay.

While he is giving them more rights and denying evidence obtained through abuse and torture and refusing to allow heresay evidence if he wants to respect their human rights then they must be tried in a regular court of law.

Trying someone in a military court is a way of avoiding their right to justice. This seems like 'met the new boss, same as the old boss'.

The man who promised hope is now shattering the grandeur ideal of him as a true human rights supporter. It seems as though what he's done is the same old politics we see everywhere; blame the last guy for everything, pretend to repeal their ideas, implement those same ideas in a different way.

Basically I agree with the Daily Show, and we'll see more disdain and table-turning from Jon Stewart in the future. Senator Obama would stand up for military gays, President Obama doesn't intervene in the decommissioning of Arab translator officers. Senator Obama made a case for medical marijuana and decriminalization, President Obama doesn't think marijuana reform is immediately relevant.

I'd like to see what a Ron Paul administration would do, as unplausable as it is.

 

[sonidraw]

Considering the fact that Barack Obama said all of this before he got elected, I think the voters can't blame him for doing this stuff. Seriously, the only people who are surprised by Obama's decisions are the ones who didn't pay attention to his actual political position before voting for him. :-/

 

[beddo]

[link]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8052676.stm[/link]

So it turns out that Barack Obama, who proclaimed that under him, the US was entering a new era of respect for human rights has now decided to continue with military trials for those illegally detained at Guantanamo Bay.

While he is giving them more rights and denying evidence obtained through abuse and torture and refusing to allow heresay evidence if he wants to respect their human rights then they must be tried in a regular court of law.

Trying someone in a military court is a way of avoiding their right to justice. This seems like 'met the new boss, same as the old boss'.

The man who promised hope is now shattering the grandeur ideal of him as a true human rights supporter. It seems as though what he's done is the same old politics we see everywhere; blame the last guy for everything, pretend to repeal their ideas, implement those same ideas in a different way.

ehh, i dont know how to say this without being insensitive but, the people in guantanamo bay barely deserve human rights.

most people there are VERY BAD men.

I did realize that George w. Bush Junior ised the Escapist.

Tell me, how are they bad? What have they done?