Batman, Batman, Batman, Batman, Batman.... (Me rambling against Batman)

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I like you but goddamn man you are so fucking Overrated and you underservedly became the face of DC in general, a position that should belong to Superman. You being DC's face is the equivilant of Link from Zelda being the face of Nintendo instead of Mario, or Donald Duck being the face of Disney.

And what baffles me is so many talanted writers and artists moslty focusing only on you and most of the time driving you to Mary Sue levels that it makes me question why people still say Superman is unrelatable I mean come on people this is the guy that was hitched with Catwoman, Vicki Vale, Zatanna, Batgirl, fucking Wonder Woman, even fuckin Lois Lane yeah he even gets Superman's girls.

You had the more iconic Comic Books, you had the more relevent animation, you had the most popular video games, and live action film. All this makes your own standalone universe so ridiculously large its almost equal to that of the whole DC universe and All this talent wasted on you instead of focusing more on the rest of the DC universe. Your popularity and general overattedness is holding back DC. Its exactly like how Spiderman (And sometimes X-Men) were holding Marvel back.

 

[Saelune]

I like solo Batman (disconnected from DC as a whole, ie Justice League). Probably because Solo Batman feels more...Marvel to me. He's a vigilante who is sometimes not liked by the law, who does things his own way, ala Spider-Man or Daredevil. Most of his villains are barely super, with the likes of Two-Face, Scarecrow, and The Riddler.

Most of Batman's Mary-Sueness comes from his involvement with DC as a whole. Fighting Superman, Braniac, Darkseid, etc, and I'm less into that Batman. Plus he has to overcome his challenges with intelligence. Superman just has to punch a thing.

And I think the comparison with Link and Mario is one of the few good ones you made, cause I think Link is a far better character than Mario. LoZ games are better than Mario ones, all Mario does is jump.

As for Batman relationships, I always liked him with Talia, due to the moral conflict...plus they had a kid together, so I win.

Batman is more relatable because well, as unlikely as it is, we can become Batman. We can become rich, smart, athletic...but we cant become Superman...atleast not on this planet. Stupid yellow sun.

Edit: And I don't think Spider-Man or X-Men held Marvel back. I think Marvel held them back.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I like solo Batman (disconnected from DC as a whole, ie Justice League). Probably because Solo Batman feels more...Marvel to me. He's a vigilante who is sometimes not liked by the law, who does things his own way, ala Spider-Man or Daredevil. Most of his villains are barely super, with the likes of Two-Face, Scarecrow, and The Riddler.

Most of Batman's Mary-Sueness comes from his involvement with DC as a whole. Fighting Superman, Braniac, Darkseid, etc, and I'm less into that Batman. Plus he has to overcome his challenges with intelligence. Superman just has to punch a thing.

And I think the comparison with Link and Mario is one of the few good ones you made, cause I think Link is a far better character than Mario. LoZ games are better than Mario ones, all Mario does is jump.

As for Batman relationships, I always liked him with Talia, due to the moral conflict...plus they had a kid together, so I win.

Batman is more relatable because well, as unlikely as it is, we can become Batman. We can become rich, smart, athletic...but we cant become Superman...atleast not on this planet. Stupid yellow sun.

But its not just Superman, everyone else in the DC universe barely gets the same love and attention the writers give to Batman.

I mean name a famous Green Lantern comic book that is a household name that even the most casual person knows?

Also I am very much a Batman X Catwoman.

 

[Saelune]

I like solo Batman (disconnected from DC as a whole, ie Justice League). Probably because Solo Batman feels more...Marvel to me. He's a vigilante who is sometimes not liked by the law, who does things his own way, ala Spider-Man or Daredevil. Most of his villains are barely super, with the likes of Two-Face, Scarecrow, and The Riddler.

Most of Batman's Mary-Sueness comes from his involvement with DC as a whole. Fighting Superman, Braniac, Darkseid, etc, and I'm less into that Batman. Plus he has to overcome his challenges with intelligence. Superman just has to punch a thing.

And I think the comparison with Link and Mario is one of the few good ones you made, cause I think Link is a far better character than Mario. LoZ games are better than Mario ones, all Mario does is jump.

As for Batman relationships, I always liked him with Talia, due to the moral conflict...plus they had a kid together, so I win.

Batman is more relatable because well, as unlikely as it is, we can become Batman. We can become rich, smart, athletic...but we cant become Superman...atleast not on this planet. Stupid yellow sun.

But its just Superman, everyone else in the DC universe barely gets the same love and attention the writers give to Batman.

I mean name a famous Green Lantern comic book that is a household name that even the most casual person knows?

Also I am very much a Batman X Catwoman.

I wont disagree with you there. I'm more of a Marvel fan than DC, so keep that in mind, due to bias, but I feel like part of the issue might be that I don't think DC is spread out enough like Marvel. Hell, most of the Justice League can just fly. I think Marvel spreads the power around better, so they stand out more. Green Lantern has a Deus Ex ring, Superman has whatever he needs, Batman has whatever he needs. And I honestly don't even know enough about Wonder Woman, but I'm guessing she is usually more than prepared.

I don't get that feeling from most Marvel characters, save maybe Iron Man and certain versions of Spider-Man. With the Avengers, I feel like they are prepared because if Cap cannot do it, atleast he has the Hulk, and if it cant just be smashed, Thor can zap it, and if it needs a delicate (or sneaky) touch, well, Black Widow has you covered.

And Catwoman is good too. I don't much care for him and Wonder Woman though.

 

[axlryder]

I'd say, arguably, Superman actually has the more iconic "best" comics (or at least the better ones). I say this because, as someone who prefers batman:

I don't really care for that much for The Killing Joke (despite the gorgeous illustration), Year one or The Dark Knight Returns. I did like The Long Halloween.

For Superman, I enjoyed Kingdom Come, All-Star Superman, The Red Son and Birthright. This is impressive to me, given how boring I think superman is as a concept. These writers took (to me) a boring character and used him to make some great stories, while bringing out his best qualities to make him interesting.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I like solo Batman (disconnected from DC as a whole, ie Justice League). Probably because Solo Batman feels more...Marvel to me. He's a vigilante who is sometimes not liked by the law, who does things his own way, ala Spider-Man or Daredevil. Most of his villains are barely super, with the likes of Two-Face, Scarecrow, and The Riddler.

Most of Batman's Mary-Sueness comes from his involvement with DC as a whole. Fighting Superman, Braniac, Darkseid, etc, and I'm less into that Batman. Plus he has to overcome his challenges with intelligence. Superman just has to punch a thing.

And I think the comparison with Link and Mario is one of the few good ones you made, cause I think Link is a far better character than Mario. LoZ games are better than Mario ones, all Mario does is jump.

As for Batman relationships, I always liked him with Talia, due to the moral conflict...plus they had a kid together, so I win.

Batman is more relatable because well, as unlikely as it is, we can become Batman. We can become rich, smart, athletic...but we cant become Superman...atleast not on this planet. Stupid yellow sun.

But its just Superman, everyone else in the DC universe barely gets the same love and attention the writers give to Batman.

I mean name a famous Green Lantern comic book that is a household name that even the most casual person knows?

Also I am very much a Batman X Catwoman.

I wont disagree with you there. I'm more of a Marvel fan than DC, so keep that in mind, due to bias, but I feel like part of the issue might be that I don't think DC is spread out enough like Marvel. Hell, most of the Justice League can just fly. I think Marvel spreads the power around better, so they stand out more. Green Lantern has a Deus Ex ring, Superman has whatever he needs, Batman has whatever he needs. And I honestly don't even know enough about Wonder Woman, but I'm guessing she is usually more than prepared.

I don't get that feeling from most Marvel characters, save maybe Iron Man and certain versions of Spider-Man. With the Avengers, I feel like they are prepared because if Cap cannot do it, atleast he has the Hulk, and if it cant just be smashed, Thor can zap it, and if it needs a delicate (or sneaky) touch, well, Black Widow has you covered.

And Catwoman is good too. I don't much care for him and Wonder Woman though.

Ugh even as a Kid when I first watched Justice League The Animated Series even I was a bit peeved at Batman and Wonder Woman being hitched, because I was a Superman/Wonder Woman guy.

Now I can say this, fuck you Bruce Timm for shipping Wonder woman with Batman in your Justice League cartoon you fuckin Batman fanboy. You denied me my pleasure of seeing a Superman/Wonder Woman romance in the cartoons.

 

[Frankster]

Can't speak about Spiderman and Marvel, always seem to prefer DC, but even as a Batman fan I gotta agree DC tends to rely on him far too much, often at the expense of other heroes.

Ugh even as a Kid when I first watched Justice League The Animated Series even I was a bit peeved at Batman and Wonder Woman being hitched, because I was a Superman/Wonder Woman guy.

Out of curiosity how do you explain away Lois Lane in this ship? Does Batman steal her for good?

And yeah i've yet to meet anyone who honestly prefers Batman/Wonderwoman to other ships xD
Either Catwoman/Batman or Talia/Batman are far more better choices imo, though I'm gonna be a hipster and place my vote for Andrea(Phantasm)/Batman.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Can't speak about Spiderman and Marvel, always seem to prefer DC, but even as a Batman fan I gotta agree DC tends to rely on him far too much, often at the expense of other heroes.

Ugh even as a Kid when I first watched Justice League The Animated Series even I was a bit peeved at Batman and Wonder Woman being hitched, because I was a Superman/Wonder Woman guy.

Out of curiosity how do you explain away Lois Lane in this ship? Does Batman steal her for good?

And yeah i've yet to meet anyone who honestly prefers Batman/Wonderwoman to other ships xD
Either Catwoman/Batman or Talia/Batman are far more better choices imo, though I'm gonna be a hipster and place my vote for Andrea(Phantasm)/Batman.

The Lois Lane ship was referring to the crossover episode in Superman The Animated Series where Lois and Bruce immidietely got on a relationship.

 

[Frankster]

The Lois Lane ship was referring to the crossover episode in Superman The Animated Series where Lois and Bruce immidietely got on a relationship.

I explained poorly. I meant to ask in your Wonderwoman/superman ship, was curious as to how you overcome Lois lane who is the big problem when shipping Supes to anybody else, those 2 have a "destined to be together" thing i always felt.
By contrast batman is far more flexible in the shipping department hence why shipping him with Tali doesn't pose a problem even with Catwoman around and vice versa, hope this explains what i meant better.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

The Lois Lane ship was referring to the crossover episode in Superman The Animated Series where Lois and Bruce immidietely got on a relationship.

I explained poorly. I meant to ask in your Wonderwoman/superman ship, was curious as to how you overcome Lois lane who is the big problem when shipping Supes to anybody else, those 2 have a "destined to be together" thing i always felt.
By contrast batman is far more flexible in the shipping department hence why shipping him with Tali doesn't pose a problem even with Catwoman around and vice versa, hope this explains what i meant better.

Personally I prefer Supes and WW because it IS ment to be and SHOULD be.

Lois Lane is just a boring human who imo barely contributes to the Superman Mythos no matter people say othe wise.

I want to see how 2 powerful heroes go out and have Super powered children heck I like to know a Superhero character that's the offspring of Superman and Wonder Woman.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

The Lois Lane ship was referring to the crossover episode in Superman The Animated Series where Lois and Bruce immidietely got on a relationship.

I explained poorly. I meant to ask in your Wonderwoman/superman ship, was curious as to how you overcome Lois lane who is the big problem when shipping Supes to anybody else, those 2 have a "destined to be together" thing i always felt.
By contrast batman is far more flexible in the shipping department hence why shipping him with Tali doesn't pose a problem even with Catwoman around and vice versa, hope this explains what i meant better.

Personally I prefer Supes and WW because it IS ment to be and SHOULD be.

Lois Lane is just a boring human who imo barely contributes to the Superman Mythos no matter people say othe wise.

I want to see how 2 powerful heroes go out and have Super powered children heck I like to know a Superhero character that's the offspring of Superman and Wonder Woman.

Superman and Lois currently have a son named Jonathan who has latent abilities. It's almost like Gohan because they show up when he's under duress. But I like where they're going with it and Jonathan is going to be co-heading an upcoming title with Damian Wayne called Super Sons which I am very excited for.

 

[Fox12]

Uh, what? Batman doesn't attract the best writers because he's popular, he's popular because he's had some of the best writers work on him. I can tell you, personally, that I'd much rather write Batman then Superman. The reason is because he's a more interesting character internally. If I were to write a story about Superman it would probably focus on some external threat. If Batman has become the face of DC it's because he's the character that has delivered consistently high quality adaptations. You have the Nolan Films, The Killing Joke, The Animated Series, Batman Beyond, TDKR, and many more. The best Superman story I can think of is the Animated Series, which was exceptional.

And, funnily enough, I would argue that Zelda is a bigger sale then Mario. Mario certainly wins in terms of quantity, but quality? when was the last time you saw someone really lose their shit over a Mario game?

 

[Asita]

I wont disagree with you there. I'm more of a Marvel fan than DC, so keep that in mind, due to bias, but I feel like part of the issue might be that I don't think DC is spread out enough like Marvel. Hell, most of the Justice League can just fly. I think Marvel spreads the power around better, so they stand out more. Green Lantern has a Deus Ex ring, Superman has whatever he needs, Batman has whatever he needs. And I honestly don't even know enough about Wonder Woman, but I'm guessing she is usually more than prepared.

To put it in tabletop terms: Superman beats out Wonder Woman in the raw stats department, but Wonder Woman is within spitting distance[footnote]I think two writers put her at between 90% and 99% of his strength[/footnote] and has higher skill rankings. Consequentially, she's one of the few characters in the DC universe who are considered capable of going toe to toe with him if not beating him[footnote]The latter being a very longstanding debate. Let's just leave it at the fact that they're close enough for the fight to feel competitive[/footnote] in a straight out fight.

 

[Saelune]

I wont disagree with you there. I'm more of a Marvel fan than DC, so keep that in mind, due to bias, but I feel like part of the issue might be that I don't think DC is spread out enough like Marvel. Hell, most of the Justice League can just fly. I think Marvel spreads the power around better, so they stand out more. Green Lantern has a Deus Ex ring, Superman has whatever he needs, Batman has whatever he needs. And I honestly don't even know enough about Wonder Woman, but I'm guessing she is usually more than prepared.

To put it in tabletop terms: Superman beats out Wonder Woman in the raw stats department, but Wonder Woman is within spitting distance[footnote]I think two writers put her at between 90% and 99% of his strength[/footnote] and has higher skill rankings. Consequentially, she's one of the few characters in the DC universe who are considered capable of going toe to toe with him if not beating him[footnote]The latter being a very longstanding debate. Let's just leave it at the fact that they're close enough for the fight to feel competitive[/footnote] in a straight out fight.

Everything is easier to understand in DnD terms

(Except adhoc xp in 3.5, fuck that shit)

I always just figured her as a tank. She's had some silly magic items and gear, but they seem to be downplayed in favor of a sword and shield lately (Lasso of Truth and Invisible Jet) though I think she still has her gauntlets, yeah? Oh...and she also flies.

I guess Cyborg was just added so Aquaman has someone to walk with.

 

[Kolby Jack]

I like solo Batman (disconnected from DC as a whole, ie Justice League). Probably because Solo Batman feels more...Marvel to me. He's a vigilante who is sometimes not liked by the law, who does things his own way, ala Spider-Man or Daredevil. Most of his villains are barely super, with the likes of Two-Face, Scarecrow, and The Riddler.

Most of Batman's Mary-Sueness comes from his involvement with DC as a whole. Fighting Superman, Braniac, Darkseid, etc, and I'm less into that Batman. Plus he has to overcome his challenges with intelligence. Superman just has to punch a thing.

And I think the comparison with Link and Mario is one of the few good ones you made, cause I think Link is a far better character than Mario. LoZ games are better than Mario ones, all Mario does is jump.

As for Batman relationships, I always liked him with Talia, due to the moral conflict...plus they had a kid together, so I win.

Batman is more relatable because well, as unlikely as it is, we can become Batman. We can become rich, smart, athletic...but we cant become Superman...atleast not on this planet. Stupid yellow sun.

Edit: And I don't think Spider-Man or X-Men held Marvel back. I think Marvel held them back.

Your comment about Superman "just having to punch things" makes me think you haven't read any recent Superman material. I'm not going to say you have to, but just know that any comic book character can be written badly. Having super strength doesn't mean your only challenge is punching hard enough. Relatibility is also just a flat thing to say. How many great characters in fiction have adventures completely unrelatable to a regular guy? You paint Superman like he doesn't have fears, doubts, desires... he's a human character. Currently he has a family that is constantly being put in danger. How is that not relatable? Superpowers don't really create a disconnect between character and audience; if they did, NO SUPERHERO would be relatable. This bullshit argument is just a flimsy way of trying to justify liking superhero comics by pretending they're "actually really mature, guys, and I only like characters I can relate to anyway." Stop it. If you don't like Superman or Aquaman or DC heroes, fine. But stop pretending you don't like them because they are somehow inherently inferior to your chosen brand of hero. Comic books are DUMB. Everything cool is DUMB. But what's really dumb is hiding behind a veil of false maturity because you're ashamed to admit you just think something is cool.

 

[Saelune]

I like solo Batman (disconnected from DC as a whole, ie Justice League). Probably because Solo Batman feels more...Marvel to me. He's a vigilante who is sometimes not liked by the law, who does things his own way, ala Spider-Man or Daredevil. Most of his villains are barely super, with the likes of Two-Face, Scarecrow, and The Riddler.

Most of Batman's Mary-Sueness comes from his involvement with DC as a whole. Fighting Superman, Braniac, Darkseid, etc, and I'm less into that Batman. Plus he has to overcome his challenges with intelligence. Superman just has to punch a thing.

And I think the comparison with Link and Mario is one of the few good ones you made, cause I think Link is a far better character than Mario. LoZ games are better than Mario ones, all Mario does is jump.

As for Batman relationships, I always liked him with Talia, due to the moral conflict...plus they had a kid together, so I win.

Batman is more relatable because well, as unlikely as it is, we can become Batman. We can become rich, smart, athletic...but we cant become Superman...atleast not on this planet. Stupid yellow sun.

Edit: And I don't think Spider-Man or X-Men held Marvel back. I think Marvel held them back.

Your comment about Superman "just having to punch things" makes me think you haven't read any recent Superman material. I'm not going to say you have to, but just know that any comic book character can be written badly. Having super strength doesn't mean your only challenge is punching hard enough. Relatibility is also just a flat thing to say. How many great characters in fiction have adventures completely unrelatable to a regular guy? You paint Superman like he doesn't have fears, doubts, desires... he's a human character. Currently he has a family that is constantly being put in danger. How is that not relatable? Superpowers don't really create a disconnect between character and audience; if they did, NO SUPERHERO would be relatable. This bullshit argument is just a flimsy way of trying to justify liking superhero comics by pretending they're "actually really mature, guys, and I only like characters I can relate to anyway." Stop it. If you don't like Superman or Aquaman or DC heroes, fine. But stop pretending you don't like them because they are somehow inherently inferior to your chosen brand of hero. Comic books are DUMB. Everything cool is DUMB. But what's really dumb is hiding behind a veil of false maturity because you're ashamed to admit you just think something is cool.

Having super powers doenst ruin relatability. Having all of them does. And you don't need to be so hostile about it

I made a topic awhile back asking what people liked about DC, and it made a lot of sense to me, and made me less critical of DC as a whole. The answer I mostly got was that DC heroes are more mythical, which kind of yeah, does mean they are ALL less relatable, and ya know what? I do like relating to my heroes. And I do like Marvel more because of it. (Thanks to Stan Lee I should add)

I'm not saying people cant prefer the more mythic figures DC presents, but it does make -me- not as into it. Not like I am some sort of Anti-DC person who wants to see them crumble to nothingness. Hell, I want the DC movie universe to be successful, so I can perhaps appreciate the characters more.

But still, Superman is not portrayed relatable at all, and just some OP guy in a cape. But I get why. Superman, and many DC heroes came from the 30s and 40s when strength and confidence were valued. Most of Marvel's big shots came latter in the 60s and 70s, and I do think these eras heavily shaped both comic studios heavily and to this day.

But thanks for just trying to shit on me and actually the fans of those you are supposedly defending.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

My cousin once described Batman not as a character, but as an event. Because he's so static, so route and understood and predictable he's just a natural event. A costumed storm front.
I mean what happens when Batman finds the bad guy? Ten bucks says he tries to stop them through some combination of gadgets and punching. As fun as he is, there isn't much you can do with him other than Batman stories.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

I like solo Batman (disconnected from DC as a whole, ie Justice League). Probably because Solo Batman feels more...Marvel to me. He's a vigilante who is sometimes not liked by the law, who does things his own way, ala Spider-Man or Daredevil. Most of his villains are barely super, with the likes of Two-Face, Scarecrow, and The Riddler.

Most of Batman's Mary-Sueness comes from his involvement with DC as a whole. Fighting Superman, Braniac, Darkseid, etc, and I'm less into that Batman. Plus he has to overcome his challenges with intelligence. Superman just has to punch a thing.

And I think the comparison with Link and Mario is one of the few good ones you made, cause I think Link is a far better character than Mario. LoZ games are better than Mario ones, all Mario does is jump.

As for Batman relationships, I always liked him with Talia, due to the moral conflict...plus they had a kid together, so I win.

Batman is more relatable because well, as unlikely as it is, we can become Batman. We can become rich, smart, athletic...but we cant become Superman...atleast not on this planet. Stupid yellow sun.

Edit: And I don't think Spider-Man or X-Men held Marvel back. I think Marvel held them back.

Your comment about Superman "just having to punch things" makes me think you haven't read any recent Superman material. I'm not going to say you have to, but just know that any comic book character can be written badly. Having super strength doesn't mean your only challenge is punching hard enough. Relatibility is also just a flat thing to say. How many great characters in fiction have adventures completely unrelatable to a regular guy? You paint Superman like he doesn't have fears, doubts, desires... he's a human character. Currently he has a family that is constantly being put in danger. How is that not relatable? Superpowers don't really create a disconnect between character and audience; if they did, NO SUPERHERO would be relatable. This bullshit argument is just a flimsy way of trying to justify liking superhero comics by pretending they're "actually really mature, guys, and I only like characters I can relate to anyway." Stop it. If you don't like Superman or Aquaman or DC heroes, fine. But stop pretending you don't like them because they are somehow inherently inferior to your chosen brand of hero. Comic books are DUMB. Everything cool is DUMB. But what's really dumb is hiding behind a veil of false maturity because you're ashamed to admit you just think something is cool.

I honestly believe Superman is a more complex character than Batman. Superman is an alien, who identifies as human, and his every step puts him light years ahead us humans and yet he still identifies as being one of us. He is full of fears and doubts. He lives in a world where he can break a building just by poking it. How is that not a hard life to live? Always having to hold back because you could hurt someone. Batman is a rich kid with issues who just needs some anti-depressants and a good shrink.

 

[Zhukov]

But Batman makes more money.

 

[Kolby Jack]

Having super powers doenst ruin relatability. Having all of them does. And you don't need to be so hostile about it

I made a topic awhile back asking what people liked about DC, and it made a lot of sense to me, and made me less critical of DC as a whole. The answer I mostly got was that DC heroes are more mythical, which kind of yeah, does mean they are ALL less relatable, and ya know what? I do like relating to my heroes. And I do like Marvel more because of it. (Thanks to Stan Lee I should add)

I'm not saying people cant prefer the more mythic figures DC presents, but it does make -me- not as into it. Not like I am some sort of Anti-DC person who wants to see them crumble to nothingness. Hell, I want the DC movie universe to be successful, so I can perhaps appreciate the characters more.

But still, Superman is not portrayed relatable at all, and just some OP guy in a cape. But I get why. Superman, and many DC heroes came from the 30s and 40s when strength and confidence were valued. Most of Marvel's big shots came latter in the 60s and 70s, and I do think these eras heavily shaped both comic studios heavily and to this day.

But thanks for just trying to shit on me and actually the fans of those you are supposedly defending.

Oh, don't be so dramatic. I said nothing insulting or personal, I just criticized your stance on how relatable Superman is. Unless you find me using the word "dumb" to describe your stance personally insulting, in which case... get some thicker skin. Your idea of Superman is so antiquated it's obvious you haven't taken any interest in in the character in at least a long time, if ever. Again, that's fine, but it also completely disqualifies everything you have to say about him. Yes, he was created in the 30's. He's also existed SINCE the 30's and has changed significantly with the times. Yes, he's very strong. There are also dozens of characters in the DC universe who can go toe-to-toe with him, and some he has no chance of beating alone. Sure, he's an alien with godlike power, and those aspects aren't really relatable. But he also has a family. A job. A romantic life. Friends. None of those are relatable? Really?

It's obvious you don't get Superman. Totally fine. But it's not fine to pretend you do. I don't get Spider-man, and I stay out of discussions of his character because I don't get Spider-man.