Batman, Batman, Batman, Batman, Batman.... (Me rambling against Batman)

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

 

[Fox12]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

 

[Saelune]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

The guy seeing firsthand all the horrible things these villains have done, and because the government wont do it themselves. Again, it gets lost when you add the rest of DC, but Gotham is portrayed as gone to shit when Batman takes the scene to fix what the government and police cannot or will not do.

 

[Fox12]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

The guy seeing firsthand all the horrible things these villains have done, and because the government wont do it themselves. Again, it gets lost when you add the rest of DC, but Gotham is portrayed as gone to shit when Batman takes the scene to fix what the government and police cannot or will not do.

My issue is, really, against the idea of vigilantism. At the end of the day, Batman isn't elected. He doesn't represent the people. No one has given him the authority to make these decisions on behalf of people. I mean, I'm probably reading way too much into the character, but what he's doing is pretty shady as it is. When he starts killing people, he's pretty much declared himself judge, jury, and executioner.

 

[Saelune]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

The guy seeing firsthand all the horrible things these villains have done, and because the government wont do it themselves. Again, it gets lost when you add the rest of DC, but Gotham is portrayed as gone to shit when Batman takes the scene to fix what the government and police cannot or will not do.

My issue is, really, against the idea of vigilantism. At the end of the day, Batman isn't elected. He doesn't represent the people. No one has given him the authority to make these decisions on behalf of people. I mean, I'm probably reading way too much into the character, but what he's doing is pretty shady as it is. When he starts killing people, he's pretty much declared himself judge, jury, and executioner.

My issue is, really, against ineffectual justice systems. When the people who are supposed to help you and protect you don't, then who can you rely on? When judges are corrupt, juries are biased, and there is no executioner for those who deserve it, we're left with a lot of bad people hurting and killing innocent people. Id prefer the bad guys suffer rather than the good.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

 

[SirSullymore]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

Yeah, you're really narrowing down what heroes you can like, wealthy and powerless. Hey, I like the pulps too, but a little variety is nice.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

You bring up Gandalf I bring up No Country For Old Men:

 

[Fox12]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

I think I said that wrong. Let me rephrease it. I don't think Superman is less popular because he's less relateable. I think he's less popular because he's less interesting. Batman isn't really that relateable either. He lives alone in a basement, dresses up as a bat, and beats people at night. He's basically crazy. But Batman, at his most interesting, is a heavily flawed character. That's why The Animated Series was so good. He lost as often as he won. People died. There was a certain tragedy to the whole thing.

I love that movie : P

But I think it kind of proves my point. The police, court system, and jury should be the ones who choose who lives and who dies. This is because, theoretically, they're accountable to us. Who holds Batman accountable? No one but himself. My problem is that, if he were to do something immoral, whose to restrain him? He's basically decided that he knows what society needs, and that if society disagrees then it can stuff it.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

I think I said that wrong. Let me rephrease it. I don't think Superman is less popular because he's less relateable. I think he's less popular because he's less interesting. Batman isn't really that relateable either. He lives alone in a basement, dresses up as a bat, and beats people at night. He's basically crazy. But Batman, at his most interesting, is a heavily flawed character. That's why The Animated Series was so good. He lost as often as he won. People died. There was a certain tragedy to the whole thing.

I love that movie : P

But I think it kind of proves my point. The police, court system, and jury should be the ones who choose who lives and who dies. This is because, theoretically, they're accountable to us. Who holds Batman accountable? No one but himself. My problem is that, if he were to do something immoral, whose to restrain him? He's basically decided that he knows what society needs, and that if society disagrees then it can stuff it.

That is the point because Batman is an essence a Vigilante.

And personally I think should be more like a Vigilante. I mean that is an interesting question because does Vigilante actually tries to work with the cops? Like how Batman ended up doing?

Also regarding the Animation the very season finale of Supes seires he sort of lost to Darkseid.

 

[Saelune]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

I think I said that wrong. Let me rephrease it. I don't think Superman is less popular because he's less relateable. I think he's less popular because he's less interesting. Batman isn't really that relateable either. He lives alone in a basement, dresses up as a bat, and beats people at night. He's basically crazy. But Batman, at his most interesting, is a heavily flawed character. That's why The Animated Series was so good. He lost as often as he won. People died. There was a certain tragedy to the whole thing.

I love that movie : P

But I think it kind of proves my point. The police, court system, and jury should be the ones who choose who lives and who dies. This is because, theoretically, they're accountable to us. Who holds Batman accountable? No one but himself. My problem is that, if he were to do something immoral, whose to restrain him? He's basically decided that he knows what society needs, and that if society disagrees then it can stuff it.

Police and Governments arent exactly held properly responsible when they do wrong. Atleast Batman is one guy in a world where people can become literally empowered to fight him.

 

[Cicada 5]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

I think I said that wrong. Let me rephrease it. I don't think Superman is less popular because he's less relateable. I think he's less popular because he's less interesting. Batman isn't really that relateable either. He lives alone in a basement, dresses up as a bat, and beats people at night. He's basically crazy. But Batman, at his most interesting, is a heavily flawed character. That's why The Animated Series was so good. He lost as often as he won. People died. There was a certain tragedy to the whole thing.

I love that movie : P

But I think it kind of proves my point. The police, court system, and jury should be the ones who choose who lives and who dies. This is because, theoretically, they're accountable to us. Who holds Batman accountable? No one but himself. My problem is that, if he were to do something immoral, whose to restrain him? He's basically decided that he knows what society needs, and that if society disagrees then it can stuff it.

Police and Governments arent exactly held properly responsible when they do wrong. Atleast Batman is one guy in a world where people can become literally empowered to fight him.

Not if he has contingency plans on all those people.

 

[Cicada 5]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

I think I said that wrong. Let me rephrease it. I don't think Superman is less popular because he's less relateable. I think he's less popular because he's less interesting. Batman isn't really that relateable either. He lives alone in a basement, dresses up as a bat, and beats people at night. He's basically crazy. But Batman, at his most interesting, is a heavily flawed character. That's why The Animated Series was so good. He lost as often as he won. People died. There was a certain tragedy to the whole thing.

I love that movie : P

But I think it kind of proves my point. The police, court system, and jury should be the ones who choose who lives and who dies. This is because, theoretically, they're accountable to us. Who holds Batman accountable? No one but himself. My problem is that, if he were to do something immoral, whose to restrain him? He's basically decided that he knows what society needs, and that if society disagrees then it can stuff it.

Superman has been flawed and been portrayed as such numerous times. Superman: TAS, JLU, Smallville, Man of Steel etc.

Also, while I don't deny Batman is liked for a whole list of reasons, there's no denying that he is also DC's most overexposed character so most people don't have a feel for other characters if all they get is Batman.

 

[Saelune]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

I think I said that wrong. Let me rephrease it. I don't think Superman is less popular because he's less relateable. I think he's less popular because he's less interesting. Batman isn't really that relateable either. He lives alone in a basement, dresses up as a bat, and beats people at night. He's basically crazy. But Batman, at his most interesting, is a heavily flawed character. That's why The Animated Series was so good. He lost as often as he won. People died. There was a certain tragedy to the whole thing.

I love that movie : P

But I think it kind of proves my point. The police, court system, and jury should be the ones who choose who lives and who dies. This is because, theoretically, they're accountable to us. Who holds Batman accountable? No one but himself. My problem is that, if he were to do something immoral, whose to restrain him? He's basically decided that he knows what society needs, and that if society disagrees then it can stuff it.

Police and Governments arent exactly held properly responsible when they do wrong. Atleast Batman is one guy in a world where people can become literally empowered to fight him.

Not if he has contingency plans on all those people.

Well in real life, there is alot less coming back from the dead and reboots. Batman's mortality is a bigger deal if he were "real". I will take the guy actively stopping bad guys versus abuse of power cops and unsympathetic governments.

 

[Cicada 5]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

I think I said that wrong. Let me rephrease it. I don't think Superman is less popular because he's less relateable. I think he's less popular because he's less interesting. Batman isn't really that relateable either. He lives alone in a basement, dresses up as a bat, and beats people at night. He's basically crazy. But Batman, at his most interesting, is a heavily flawed character. That's why The Animated Series was so good. He lost as often as he won. People died. There was a certain tragedy to the whole thing.

I love that movie : P

But I think it kind of proves my point. The police, court system, and jury should be the ones who choose who lives and who dies. This is because, theoretically, they're accountable to us. Who holds Batman accountable? No one but himself. My problem is that, if he were to do something immoral, whose to restrain him? He's basically decided that he knows what society needs, and that if society disagrees then it can stuff it.

Is letting him beat up whomever he deems guilty really any better so long as he doesn't kill them?

 

[Cicada 5]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

I think I said that wrong. Let me rephrease it. I don't think Superman is less popular because he's less relateable. I think he's less popular because he's less interesting. Batman isn't really that relateable either. He lives alone in a basement, dresses up as a bat, and beats people at night. He's basically crazy. But Batman, at his most interesting, is a heavily flawed character. That's why The Animated Series was so good. He lost as often as he won. People died. There was a certain tragedy to the whole thing.

I love that movie : P

But I think it kind of proves my point. The police, court system, and jury should be the ones who choose who lives and who dies. This is because, theoretically, they're accountable to us. Who holds Batman accountable? No one but himself. My problem is that, if he were to do something immoral, whose to restrain him? He's basically decided that he knows what society needs, and that if society disagrees then it can stuff it.

Police and Governments arent exactly held properly responsible when they do wrong. Atleast Batman is one guy in a world where people can become literally empowered to fight him.

Not if he has contingency plans on all those people.

Well in real life, there is alot less coming back from the dead and reboots. Batman's mortality is a bigger deal if he were "real". I will take the guy actively stopping bad guys versus abuse of power cops and unsympathetic governments.

The KKK and Jonathan Idema have shown that vigilantes aren't any better than corrupt cops.

 

[Saelune]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

I think I said that wrong. Let me rephrease it. I don't think Superman is less popular because he's less relateable. I think he's less popular because he's less interesting. Batman isn't really that relateable either. He lives alone in a basement, dresses up as a bat, and beats people at night. He's basically crazy. But Batman, at his most interesting, is a heavily flawed character. That's why The Animated Series was so good. He lost as often as he won. People died. There was a certain tragedy to the whole thing.

I love that movie : P

But I think it kind of proves my point. The police, court system, and jury should be the ones who choose who lives and who dies. This is because, theoretically, they're accountable to us. Who holds Batman accountable? No one but himself. My problem is that, if he were to do something immoral, whose to restrain him? He's basically decided that he knows what society needs, and that if society disagrees then it can stuff it.

Police and Governments arent exactly held properly responsible when they do wrong. Atleast Batman is one guy in a world where people can become literally empowered to fight him.

Not if he has contingency plans on all those people.

Well in real life, there is alot less coming back from the dead and reboots. Batman's mortality is a bigger deal if he were "real". I will take the guy actively stopping bad guys versus abuse of power cops and unsympathetic governments.

The KKK and Jonathan Idema have shown that vigilantes aren't any better than corrupt cops.

Really? The KKK? Someone in a costume should do the world a service and hunt down every KKK member and put a bullet through their heads. Terrorists are terrorists, they dont need to be from another country to be so, and groups like the KKK are why I am not all onboard with true "freedom of speech". That a known KKK member can run for ANY political position and not be publicly executed by the police is a damn fucking shame.

 

[Fox12]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

I think I said that wrong. Let me rephrease it. I don't think Superman is less popular because he's less relateable. I think he's less popular because he's less interesting. Batman isn't really that relateable either. He lives alone in a basement, dresses up as a bat, and beats people at night. He's basically crazy. But Batman, at his most interesting, is a heavily flawed character. That's why The Animated Series was so good. He lost as often as he won. People died. There was a certain tragedy to the whole thing.

I love that movie : P

But I think it kind of proves my point. The police, court system, and jury should be the ones who choose who lives and who dies. This is because, theoretically, they're accountable to us. Who holds Batman accountable? No one but himself. My problem is that, if he were to do something immoral, whose to restrain him? He's basically decided that he knows what society needs, and that if society disagrees then it can stuff it.

Is letting him beat up whomever he deems guilty really any better so long as he doesn't kill them?

A little bit, but not much.

He's similar to Rorshach for me. I love his character, but what he's doing is wrong. He's not evil, though. Just disturbed. His decisionscome from a place of pain.

 

[Cicada 5]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

I think I said that wrong. Let me rephrease it. I don't think Superman is less popular because he's less relateable. I think he's less popular because he's less interesting. Batman isn't really that relateable either. He lives alone in a basement, dresses up as a bat, and beats people at night. He's basically crazy. But Batman, at his most interesting, is a heavily flawed character. That's why The Animated Series was so good. He lost as often as he won. People died. There was a certain tragedy to the whole thing.

I love that movie : P

But I think it kind of proves my point. The police, court system, and jury should be the ones who choose who lives and who dies. This is because, theoretically, they're accountable to us. Who holds Batman accountable? No one but himself. My problem is that, if he were to do something immoral, whose to restrain him? He's basically decided that he knows what society needs, and that if society disagrees then it can stuff it.

Is letting him beat up whomever he deems guilty really any better so long as he doesn't kill them?

A little bit, but not much.

He's similar to Rorshach for me. I love his character, but what he's doing is wrong. He's not evil, though. Just disturbed. His decisionscome from a place of pain.

I'm just saying, given the stuff he already engages in - assault, torture, invasion of privacy, child endangerment - it's odd to m how people draw a line at killing.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I've seen good Superman stories. I've seen good Batman stories. It's probably easier to write a good Batman story.

I'm not saying this because Batman is a bad character. I'm saying this because he is still mortal. He still is fallible. It's easier to write a story about a man struggling to do what is right, even while he is breaking the law, who is vulnerable, and put him against foes who can threaten him and also themselves be liked by the audience.

Superman on the other hand is perfect. He's so powerful that nothing can really threaten him. He's always perfectly moral. He is what we should all aspire to be in many respects. That is not easy to write and do it well. It can easily come off as a Mary Sue and not be accepted or believed by the audience.

Idk, In my reading I've found Batman to be much more of a Mary Sue than Superman.

And Superman despite having god like powers is still a working class man.

The only thing more boring then a being with god like powers is a working class man

The people that thinks Batman should not kill let me say this:

Some people deserves redemption, some people deserve to die.

I don't think the issue is whether or not people should be executed. That's an entire issue unto itself. I think the real question is who is Batman to make that decision.

ReallY, a working class character is boring? Than how is Spiderman so wildly popular?

I think I said that wrong. Let me rephrease it. I don't think Superman is less popular because he's less relateable. I think he's less popular because he's less interesting. Batman isn't really that relateable either. He lives alone in a basement, dresses up as a bat, and beats people at night. He's basically crazy. But Batman, at his most interesting, is a heavily flawed character. That's why The Animated Series was so good. He lost as often as he won. People died. There was a certain tragedy to the whole thing.

I love that movie : P

But I think it kind of proves my point. The police, court system, and jury should be the ones who choose who lives and who dies. This is because, theoretically, they're accountable to us. Who holds Batman accountable? No one but himself. My problem is that, if he were to do something immoral, whose to restrain him? He's basically decided that he knows what society needs, and that if society disagrees then it can stuff it.

Is letting him beat up whomever he deems guilty really any better so long as he doesn't kill them?

A little bit, but not much.

He's similar to Rorshach for me. I love his character, but what he's doing is wrong. He's not evil, though. Just disturbed. His decisionscome from a place of pain.

I'm just saying, given the stuff he already engages in - assault, torture, invasion of privacy, child endangerment - it's odd to m how people draw a line at killing.

Assault (Generally beating up people)

Torture (Him hanging people by their leg threatening them to fall to their deaths is considered Torture)

Invasion of Privacy (So many examples to count but the egregious one is in Kingdom Come where he basically turned Gotham into a City under Martial Law with Bat-Robot Enforcers)

Child-Endangerment (Exactly)