BBC Forced to Defend Gay Kiss After Complaints

[deserteagleeye]

Confuses them!? Whatever the hell you are instilling into your kids is doing that! You can't keep your kids in the dark forever people. Soon they will move out and be chastised for everything you've taught them.

 

[Knusper]

Surely an immortal alien that can travel through time and space is more confusing to young children than the prospect of a man kissing another man.

Kudos to BBC for representing the gay community on their shows.

 

[GamerPhate]

Time for another lecture from the almighty Brooker (different topic, but the principles the same)


And as for these complainers themselves....

I try and think of a time when Charlie Brooker hasn't made perfect sense. I love the guy. I also don't see why the BBC feel the need to have to defend themselves. Gay people exist. Get over it. They are not something to be villified, they have rights and feelings like everyone else. Anyway, it is not the first time that gay kissing and sexual acts have been depicted on TV. People seem to forget As queer as folk.

Yes, they exist, and have for a long time. But think of it this way, it is as offensive for a gay person to watch a straight couple fornicate on tv as it is for straight person to watch gay affection as well. Therefore it is stricly limited , with ratings and so forth to warn the viewer about the plans of the writers. This made me think that perhaps there needs to be a new tag to put on movies and shows to label them if they do contain this sort of content. That way the viewer can watch the show without being "turned off" by some rouge writers attempt at pursing equality.

See, my GF watches Glee. And like I can tolerate the gay character flaming up the screen, you go girl? But the episode where hes kissing dudes, or the one where the other gay guy gets this straight dude fired for seranading him on the job is way too much. Look, I can accept you exist, just don't flaunt it, it causes much more harm than any good they think surfaces. Civil rights wise, sure they should be able to do it, but again, the target audience isn't going to totally appreciate it. People should be able to be offended, just as much as a few might find it okay.

This reminds me of how at the Pro-Hemp Rallies I helped organize we ran into a simliar problem. We were at the capital building, and speaking the truths of the illegal processes of the drug war. However, some people felt that just because we were okay with hemp, that we were advocating that they light up at the rally. And despite us telling them not to, very harshly, many decided that it was a form of protest, perhaps similar to the sit ins or other law breaking acts to defy authority. And although sure, they got to do it, even with cops there that were frowning intensivly with a few chuckling. But in the end, it caused much more harm than good. That is what happens when you force something on someone that doesn't appreciate it, they close up more instead of opening up to the idea of accepting it. So in a way, you set your cause back eons by doing stuff like this, so just take it EASY and don't offend and you will make headway.

 

[Ickorus]

To be completely honest, 100 people is hardly a large number.

I think it's more the BBC trying to show how diverse they are than anything else.

 

[Realitycrash]

Bah, so a hundred morons in the entire BBC-broadcasting world complained, so what? Religious nuts will be religious nuts. /Care

 

[EeveeElectro]

raise your hand if you were taught about same sex relationships when learning about sex and relationships.
I've never met someone who has.

Also, I'm not too sure about this because I don't watch it, but I think there's a lesbian storyline in Coronation street between 2 attractive young ladies. Wonder if that's received any complaints?

 

[Realitycrash]

Don't children get confused by everything. Hense the general...being young...thing.

People.

They do, and they are VERY impressionable! Especially to mimic what they see on TV. Sure, in theory, let's say some brothers were watching this (lets say 4 and 6 years of age). They see this, and then kiss each other on the mouth. Their mom might find it "sweet", but in reality it is a bit creepy. Even a brother kissing his sister is a bit weird, although not quite as akward. But if kids see something, particularly on TV or now the Internet, they will believe it is socially acceptable, and it currently is not publicly alright, just on paper.

Thus some kid see this and gets these ideas in his brain that this is what he wants to do, and then comes up with a born this way theory, when it was just bad parent supervision. Look, I am not trying to say being gay is right or wrong, but I am fairly sure straight people want their kids to go up straight, and gay people want their kids to group gay. Some are tolerant of the other, or claim to be at least, but in the end, kids see something they do it.

Let's take the Beavis and Butthead problem in the 90's. Some kid watched the show and burned his house down, after reportedly idolizing Beavis and his fire-fetish. I don't have all the details handy as it has been many years, but this is the net, I am sure someone will have a link somewhere. But my point is that, had the kid not watched the show, would have still burned the house down? Who knows, but he got the idea to do it that time from the show, so basically if you put something in front of a kid they will soak it up like a sponge. Ever notice how kids have the SAME ideals and beliefs as their parents, even though the kids have NO idea about the world and how it really operates. They take their parents view as their own, like little brainwashed kids at a political protest wearing signs on their shirt they can't even read.

But yeah I am sure some are going to disagree with what I said, and that is fine, I respect your right to disagree. But I am just letting those offended by the offended people know that THIS is why they are upset likely. So, respect their belief to not want to have gay kids.

*Flame shield (thats ironic lol)** - Look I have gay friends, and friends of various races. I don't judge people, but I don't like to see details sometimes. I am sure if I told a gay person about how I romped my GF last night they would be repulsed too. So just keep it in your pants in public so to speak, and to yourself, please!

Ah, that would explain why walk around everywhere with a whip and a fedora - I saw Indiana Jones as a kid.

Yes, and every kid grows up to be an astronaut, fireman, and president. That is called playing and pretending, kissing a dude on the mouth goes WELL beyond playing.

Wait... so you're worried about kids going around kissing other kids on the mouth because they saw it on TV? IMO, no parent should allow their kids to kiss any kid on the mouth - they're too young for that, and it spreads germs. The gender of the other kid in question doesn't really have any bearing.

If you think it will cause kids to grow up to be gay, ask yourself a question: am I a fedora-wearing, womanizing, whip-wielding archaeologist? If not, stop worrying.

Did...Did you just call Indiana Jones a "gay-influence"?

 

[GamerPhate]

Don't children get confused by everything. Hense the general...being young...thing.

People.

They do, and they are VERY impressionable! Especially to mimic what they see on TV. Sure, in theory, let's say some brothers were watching this (lets say 4 and 6 years of age). They see this, and then kiss each other on the mouth. Their mom might find it "sweet", but in reality it is a bit creepy. Even a brother kissing his sister is a bit weird, although not quite as akward. But if kids see something, particularly on TV or now the Internet, they will believe it is socially acceptable, and it currently is not publicly alright, just on paper.

Thus some kid see this and gets these ideas in his brain that this is what he wants to do, and then comes up with a born this way theory, when it was just bad parent supervision. Look, I am not trying to say being gay is right or wrong, but I am fairly sure straight people want their kids to go up straight, and gay people want their kids to group gay. Some are tolerant of the other, or claim to be at least, but in the end, kids see something they do it.

Let's take the Beavis and Butthead problem in the 90's. Some kid watched the show and burned his house down, after reportedly idolizing Beavis and his fire-fetish. I don't have all the details handy as it has been many years, but this is the net, I am sure someone will have a link somewhere. But my point is that, had the kid not watched the show, would have still burned the house down? Who knows, but he got the idea to do it that time from the show, so basically if you put something in front of a kid they will soak it up like a sponge. Ever notice how kids have the SAME ideals and beliefs as their parents, even though the kids have NO idea about the world and how it really operates. They take their parents view as their own, like little brainwashed kids at a political protest wearing signs on their shirt they can't even read.

But yeah I am sure some are going to disagree with what I said, and that is fine, I respect your right to disagree. But I am just letting those offended by the offended people know that THIS is why they are upset likely. So, respect their belief to not want to have gay kids.

*Flame shield (thats ironic lol)** - Look I have gay friends, and friends of various races. I don't judge people, but I don't like to see details sometimes. I am sure if I told a gay person about how I romped my GF last night they would be repulsed too. So just keep it in your pants in public so to speak, and to yourself, please!

Ah, that would explain why walk around everywhere with a whip and a fedora - I saw Indiana Jones as a kid.

Yes, and every kid grows up to be an astronaut, fireman, and president. That is called playing and pretending, kissing a dude on the mouth goes WELL beyond playing.

Wait... so you're worried about kids going around kissing other kids on the mouth because they saw it on TV? IMO, no parent should allow their kids to kiss any kid on the mouth - they're too young for that, and it spreads germs. The gender of the other kid in question doesn't really have any bearing.

If you think it will cause kids to grow up to be gay, ask yourself a question: am I a fedora-wearing, womanizing, whip-wielding archaeologist? If not, stop worrying.

You would be a better person if you did dig up artifacts for a living. But your arguement is moot, as you are talking about a job, not a life choice. Also, people change jobs, but rarely orientation. And early influences on TV go a long way into shaping a kid. In fact, I have a theory by the time all of us reading this are decrepid eldery fogies, we will forget our names but will be able to sing every jingle or commercial we heard on tv. In fact, think about it, and you will hear one chime in your head. Just saying, plant a seed in a brain, and it grows.

But yes, kids have so many germs, kissing in general is a bad idea, but I was just using that prior statement as a preface for the other paragraphs to follow.

 

[Realitycrash]

raise your hand if you were taught about same sex relationships when learning about sex and relationships.
I've never met someone who has.

Also, I'm not too sure about this because I don't watch it, but I think there's a lesbian storyline in Coronation street between 2 attractive young ladies. Wonder if that's received any complaints?

I was thought about it in the 9:th grade. Does it count?

And your second point is a valid one. Lesbians are hot, afterall. Man on man action is just disgusting, right?

 

[ThreeWords]

More than a hundred people? A whole hundred? I reckon if we could get all the supporters of gay representation to write in, we'd be counting millions...

 

[GamerPhate]

Don't children get confused by everything. Hense the general...being young...thing.

People.

They do, and they are VERY impressionable! Especially to mimic what they see on TV. Sure, in theory, let's say some brothers were watching this (lets say 4 and 6 years of age). They see this, and then kiss each other on the mouth. Their mom might find it "sweet", but in reality it is a bit creepy. Even a brother kissing his sister is a bit weird, although not quite as akward. But if kids see something, particularly on TV or now the Internet, they will believe it is socially acceptable, and it currently is not publicly alright, just on paper.

Thus some kid see this and gets these ideas in his brain that this is what he wants to do, and then comes up with a born this way theory, when it was just bad parent supervision. Look, I am not trying to say being gay is right or wrong, but I am fairly sure straight people want their kids to go up straight, and gay people want their kids to group gay. Some are tolerant of the other, or claim to be at least, but in the end, kids see something they do it.

Let's take the Beavis and Butthead problem in the 90's. Some kid watched the show and burned his house down, after reportedly idolizing Beavis and his fire-fetish. I don't have all the details handy as it has been many years, but this is the net, I am sure someone will have a link somewhere. But my point is that, had the kid not watched the show, would have still burned the house down? Who knows, but he got the idea to do it that time from the show, so basically if you put something in front of a kid they will soak it up like a sponge. Ever notice how kids have the SAME ideals and beliefs as their parents, even though the kids have NO idea about the world and how it really operates. They take their parents view as their own, like little brainwashed kids at a political protest wearing signs on their shirt they can't even read.

But yeah I am sure some are going to disagree with what I said, and that is fine, I respect your right to disagree. But I am just letting those offended by the offended people know that THIS is why they are upset likely. So, respect their belief to not want to have gay kids.

*Flame shield (thats ironic lol)** - Look I have gay friends, and friends of various races. I don't judge people, but I don't like to see details sometimes. I am sure if I told a gay person about how I romped my GF last night they would be repulsed too. So just keep it in your pants in public so to speak, and to yourself, please!

Ah, that would explain why walk around everywhere with a whip and a fedora - I saw Indiana Jones as a kid.

Yes, and every kid grows up to be an astronaut, fireman, and president. That is called playing and pretending, kissing a dude on the mouth goes WELL beyond playing.

Wait... so you're worried about kids going around kissing other kids on the mouth because they saw it on TV? IMO, no parent should allow their kids to kiss any kid on the mouth - they're too young for that, and it spreads germs. The gender of the other kid in question doesn't really have any bearing.

If you think it will cause kids to grow up to be gay, ask yourself a question: am I a fedora-wearing, womanizing, whip-wielding archaeologist? If not, stop worrying.

Did...Did you just call Indiana Jones a "gay-influence"?

HAHA I hope not. I think what he was saying is that kids are whimsical. They change their mind like the dickens. But my point was that if a kid wants to be a fireman, he might be one when he grows up, he might not. But if he didn't have the early seed in his brain to have the notion to want to do something like that, he likely wouldn't pursue the path to fast track his life that way. Granted he might be a lawyer instead, but years later go back to wanting to be a fireman.

But the way the brain works, it is like a flow chart. You take a thought, or exposure and put it into the brain. It starts at the top and creates a left or right path as it goes down the list, did you pick this one or that one? The concept I came up one time was more of a perplexing question or theory. What is it that makes us like, for example, the color blue over red? The first time we were exposed to it, who knows what it was that made us choose one over the other. However, each time in our life we are given the option to choose, we find that, the one we picked earlier on ends up being the one that time and time again gets selected (the laymans term is liking it heh). Granted, kids don't like veggies, but as they grow might, but that is just a kid thing. Preferences to external inputs is quiet a different story, and defines who we are. But it all comes down to first time exposure and the choice we made. And I imagine in the example of this case, if a young kid say this, he would deem it quite alright and want to do what the tv guy is doing, just like he saw indiana and wanted to whip some stuff.

 

[cobra_ky]

Thing is .. most people are gay tolerant, not really pro-gay like gay people themselves. That being said, it is akin to society standards to brand it inappropriate. Personally, I don't care what you do in your bedroom, just don't let me see it, please! Every gay kiss actually sets you guys back a few years if you know what I mean. Just chill and in decades maybe society will change.

what you are talking about isn't tolerance at all. not even close.

But really, for most guys for example, there is a double standard that most guys find a couple of girls going at it enthralling. However, take these same girls and add about 300 pounds to them and it might change the picture. This could be applied to the gay kiss, we would just rather not see it, keep it private. Hand holding is about as far as we will tolerate currently in society, with an occassion skip or two. But please don't force this stuff on us, its revolting to the people that are not gay. And if you want to decrease persecution, do not do it. Sure, some may thing that they are fighting a civil battle by doing such things, but it only inflames (no pun intended) the masses, and does much more harm to your group than any good. The ONLY people that will like it is gay people, and I think straights might outnumber you or otherwise the population would be a bit lower (don't get me started on gay adopting to counter this).

Nobody put you in charge of "the majority" and nobody asked you what you're willing to tolerate. if you don't like the people you see kissing on TV, you're welcome to turn it off.

They do, and they are VERY impressionable! Especially to mimic what they see on TV. Sure, in theory, let's say some brothers were watching this (lets say 4 and 6 years of age). They see this, and then kiss each other on the mouth. Their mom might find it "sweet", but in reality it is a bit creepy. Even a brother kissing his sister is a bit weird, although not quite as akward. But if kids see something, particularly on TV or now the Internet, they will believe it is socially acceptable, and it currently is not publicly alright, just on paper.

It is socially acceptable, at least in the society i live in. I'm sorry if yours is different.

Thus some kid see this and gets these ideas in his brain that this is what he wants to do, and then comes up with a born this way theory, when it was just bad parent supervision. Look, I am not trying to say being gay is right or wrong, but I am fairly sure straight people want their kids to grou up straight, and gay people want their kids to grow up gay.

You are wrong. Gay parents don't want their child to grow up either way. They love their children no matter what, regardless of whether they're gay or straight. Some straight parents do this too; i'm glad mine did.

 

[Erja_Perttu]

That'll be from the media watchdog groups we have here.

Its actually quite pathetic. Its few groups of a couple hundred people that complain to "official" organisations that something is inappropriate and the "offensive" item is usually taken down.

Don't believe me? This was banned in Britain. I think about 100 people or so complained.

That was banned? BUT THAT'S THE BEST THING I'VE EVER SEEN!!!

I'm sure there was a very similar skit in Spaced, and my friends and I were having random gunfights for months afterwards *tear* Good times, good times...

As for the gay kissing, they never banned that Christina Aguilera video 'Beautiful' and that had a fair ol' passionate gay snog in it. Let 'er rip I say!

 

[docsax]

Zardoz said it all, "The gun is good. The penis is evil. The penis shoots seeds, and makes new life to poison the Earth with a plague of men, as once it was, but the gun shoots death, and purifies the Earth of the filth... Go forth ... and kill!"

 

[GamerPhate]

raise your hand if you were taught about same sex relationships when learning about sex and relationships.
I've never met someone who has.

Also, I'm not too sure about this because I don't watch it, but I think there's a lesbian storyline in Coronation street between 2 attractive young ladies. Wonder if that's received any complaints?

I was thought about it in the 9:th grade. Does it count?

And your second point is a valid one. Lesbians are hot, afterall. Man on man action is just disgusting, right?

I think I know what it is. It is the fact that men are for what ever reason built with their reproductive organs on the outside. Woman are lucky enough have them mostly hidden. Don't believe me? Imagine in your mind that drawing of the overies and stuff from science class, now invert it upside down in your head and place it onto a hot female's body protuding out the front. See what I mean?

 

[EeveeElectro]

raise your hand if you were taught about same sex relationships when learning about sex and relationships.
I've never met someone who has.

Also, I'm not too sure about this because I don't watch it, but I think there's a lesbian storyline in Coronation street between 2 attractive young ladies. Wonder if that's received any complaints?

I was thought about it in the 9:th grade. Does it count?

And your second point is a valid one. Lesbians are hot, afterall. Man on man action is just disgusting, right?

I have a friend on my Facebook also from Sweden and he said they teach kids about it there. I'm glad they do over there, so why are we so frigging behind in the times?!!
Yerr, lesbians are HAWT! Gay men on the other hand? ewwww, immoral!

(The Captcha is an advert, and says, "get over it" No captcha! This is an issue close to my heart! You get over it! D:<)

 

[Caffeinated]

over one hundred people watch EastEnders?
that shit is terrible

 

[Trivun]

And this is why I love the BBC. This is the channel that gave us Queer As Folk and recent lesbian drama Lip Service. Thing is though, why the hell should they have to defend it? Gay people are just as normal as bisexual people or straight people, and anyone who disputes that should have their heads examined, or even better, be forced to take some sort of class on tolerance. Just because some people don't like gay people, doesn't mean they're in the right, and if I was the BBC Controller I would pretty much tell the complainers to fuck off. Without using that word, of course, I would be diplomatic about it, but the sentiment would certainly be clear...

For the record, by the way, I'm one of those people who believes children should be taught about all religions, all sexual orientations, and all sides of the argument on matters like the above, at an early age. If that makes me more or less agreeable with then so be it, either way...