Becoming A Schoolhouse Vigilante: My Moral Dilemma.

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ygetoff

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the protaginist said:
I'm not exactly sure how to state this, but I need some advice, Escapist.

There's this kid who really needs to be taught a lesson. Now before you write this off as teenage angst BS, let me explain. This kid constantly belittles the teachers at the school, interupting them, insulting them to the point of calling one a ****, and can get away with this because school rules state that as long as a student isn't seen(just seen,never mind heard) by a teacher doing this, they get off scot-free.

None of the teachers deserve it, as most of them are just doing they're jobs, nor do the students he constantly berates. And the worse thing is, he does this for fun. he's the very definition of Schadenfreude.

He's been sent to the counselor, but trying to talk to this only makes him belittle you more.
Now normally i'm a very reserved person, but something happened a couple days ago that really made me realize how bad our punishment system is.

We were at the last period of the day, math, when i see him pull out this black thing. He loaded it onto a rubber band, and shot it crossbow style into a girl's side. The teacher was out of the room printing copies, and when the teacher got back to the room, she saw a bunch of students gathered around the girl's desk consoling her.

The black thing was a sharpened pen cap, it penetrated her skin about an inch. the teacher, instead of sending him to the principal, tells him to apologize and sends him out of the room. Not only did he not get detention, he got to SKIP THE LESSON. This pissed me off to no extent, as i'm a very chivalrious person, and as far as i'm concerned, you should never hit a women unless she throws the first punch.


Now I know this seems like something i should put on Twitter or something, but thats as good as asking a lizard to diagram a sentence.

So, my fellow Escapists, what would you do?
Be careful. He'll probably get sued for the pen cap thing. Do what you think he deserves, and then get ready for the blowback from this thing.
 

garfoldsomeoneelse

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In all seriousness, you said he'd shot the pen cap crossbow-style.

I say you one-up the prick with a real crossbow.
 

Aqualung

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Somehow, I can picture this kid perfectly in my head.

Call the fuzz on 'im. He should be arrested for douchery!
 

Insomniaku

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the protaginist said:
I'm not exactly sure how to state this, but I need some advice, Escapist.

There's this kid who really needs to be taught a lesson. Now before you write this off as teenage angst BS, let me explain. This kid constantly belittles the teachers at the school, interupting them, insulting them to the point of calling one a ****, and can get away with this because school rules state that as long as a student isn't seen(just seen,never mind heard) by a teacher doing this, they get off scot-free.

None of the teachers deserve it, as most of them are just doing they're jobs, nor do the students he constantly berates. And the worse thing is, he does this for fun. he's the very definition of Schadenfreude.

He's been sent to the counselor, but trying to talk to this only makes him belittle you more.
Now normally i'm a very reserved person, but something happened a couple days ago that really made me realize how bad our punishment system is.

We were at the last period of the day, math, when i see him pull out this black thing. He loaded it onto a rubber band, and shot it crossbow style into a girl's side. The teacher was out of the room printing copies, and when the teacher got back to the room, she saw a bunch of students gathered around the girl's desk consoling her.

The black thing was a sharpened pen cap, it penetrated her skin about an inch. the teacher, instead of sending him to the principal, tells him to apologize and sends him out of the room. Not only did he not get detention, he got to SKIP THE LESSON. This pissed me off to no extent, as i'm a very chivalrious person, and as far as i'm concerned, you should never hit a women unless she throws the first punch.


Now I know this seems like something i should put on Twitter or something, but thats as good as asking a lizard to diagram a sentence.

So, my fellow Escapists, what would you do?
Well, I have a bit of the same problem really so I couldn't tell you what to do.. but it's nice to see that there are some other decent human beings out there.
 

The_Chief

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ahh i remember this one kid who used to do this. ass hole made fun of me in 6th. i kicked the living shit out of him. got caught but was worth it. do it, if u dont get caught your fine. if you do you'll still be doing everyone else a huge favor
 

JamminOz07

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Dude, I'm not sure how this is your problem. Shouldn't issues like this be dealt with by the school?
 

McClaud

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Man, back in my day, if a kid was like that, a group of white hats would get together and jump the dude. They'd then gag him and tape him to the football goal post with no clothes on. Pictures were taken and used as blackmail. The literal humiliation and the threat of future humiliation kept the bullies in line for awhile.

I don't suggest or condone you doing that. I'm just saying that that's how it used to be handled back in the 80's. Bullies only strike when they think they can get away with it without retaliation. If there's 20 or so "good guys" that work anonymously to keep a bully down (or at least do something horrifying) then he/her and the other bullies become paranoid and quiet down for a long time.

EDIT: I guess a really good way is to get 30 big people together and have a chat. Don't tell him what you'll do to him, but hint that it could be way worse than a mere sharpened pen cap into his side. Remind him that he's slolwy turning the entire school against him, and eventually, you can't be responsible for someone else might do. Fear is always the great equalizer.
 

000Ronald

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Talk to the teachers first. Always talk to the teachers first; something like this you bring to the superintendent of the school; bring the girl with you, and and someone else who saw what happened.

If that doesn't work, storm out of the office. I won't encourage violent action, but I won't tell you it's wrong, either. The problem is, even if he needs to be put in his place, it may not be your right to do it.

I will say, however, if you're going to beat the shit out of him, make sure of three things; 1) Make sure you do it in front of a lot of people 2) Make sure you scream something about abusing women, so you're at least a little justified and 3) Make sure you scare the piss out of him. literally. My expirience is that the only way to get through to abusive fucks is by making sure every time they think about beating someone up, they think about you.

Bear in mind, above option will likely lead to you being expelled, so think really hard on it. I'll give you this advice too; don't regress to violence unless he pulls something like that more than once.

You may luck out and have someone else beat you to the punch (pun intended).

Apologies for giving terrible advice.
 

Sewer Rat

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I'd have to say beat the shit out of the little f*cker. According to your schools rules as long as the teacher doesnt see it, you wont get in trouble. Plus I bet that they would have no objections and odds are most would turn the other cheek as this kid sounds like a little prick to me. Plow him into the pavement, feel no remorse.
 

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SODAssault said:
In all seriousness, you said he'd shot the pen cap crossbow-style.

I say you one-up the prick with a real crossbow.
Amen. Something I learned in high school is that the system does not actually work. You want something done, you do it yourself.

Me, I grabbed the biggest mo-fo I could and screamed in his face loud enough to be heard from the other side of the school, then calmly went back to my class as though nothing had happened.

:) It worked.
 

Kogarian

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How old are you and your peers? I can't imagine any male getting away with that at our school, because we had something similiar happen to us. This started about age 15-ish. This one guy punched a small, gothic girl that no one really liked (this guy resembles the one in your story). However, she was a girl...and he punched her. Shortly after, he went through a sort of excommunication. As in, only his close friends talk to him now ever since that incident years ago. No one beat his ass because he was still one of the craziest bastards at our school.

I'm saying this because if there are males similiar to you, you might be able to do more than just get in a one-on-one fight with him. You might be able to get a group together to hurt him. If you believe it's necessary, hurt him bad. And threaten him about possible repercussions in the future if his actions continue. If you really want to go all out, have yourself or others start rumors about him (say he hits girls, etc.) and get a good bit of people to simply ignore him. But don't go overboard. We don't want another shooting on our hands.
 

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Labyrinth said:
Glerken said:
Punch the spoiled brat out.
With more panache than that. I recommend going for a single jab to the throat or solar plexus. It hurts to hit people in the face. Or you could stab him with a really sharp pencil a few times.

If you're not up for that kind of violence, photos/video or whatever and take it to the principal.
Has someone been watching Rocknrolla? But seriously, if he's like a big thug, get a group of people and just pummel him. If not, just hit him anywhere from the throat up.
 

000Ronald

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JamminOz07 said:
Dude, I'm not sure how this is your problem. Shouldn't issues like this be dealt with by the school?
Shouldn't it be the responsibility of the parents first?

Situations like this fall on the shoulders of those willing to deal with them; it's unplesant, but it's true.

Apologies for posting again.
 

McClaud

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The only problem I see with actual violence leveled on the kid is that he's already somewhat unstable.

He could bring a gun to school, and then he's after you.

I think a chit-chat is in order. "I don't like you, but I don't hate you. I can't say that for -" *point at 30 other big guys watching* "- anyone else. No one wants this to escalate, but if you don't cool it, I can't promise you that someone won't take matters into their own hands."

Psychology is always the best recourse.
 

Bullfrog1983

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Baneat said:
kick the shit out of him, don't let a teacher see you, and the rules state you'll be fine.
The G-man is correct... and i'm sure if this guy is that much of a moron he doesn't have friends at school, so people would be happy. Maybe do it in public, could earn you a lot of new buddies.

Just be careful if he has friends, he sounds like the type who would jump someone 6 vs. 1 and feel manly about doing it.
 

KaZZaP

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Get a bunch of people and after school one day duct tape him to a pole or a bench or something. Probably won't solve anything but it would be funny. Don't be seen doing it and you're home free.
 

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The_Logician19 said:
Talk to the teachers first. Always talk to the teachers first; something like this you bring to the superintendent of the school; bring the girl with you, and and someone else who saw what happened.

If that doesn't work, storm out of the office. I won't encourage violent action, but I won't tell you it's wrong, either. The problem is, even if he needs to be put in his place, it may not be your right to do it.

I will say, however, if you're going to beat the shit out of him, make sure of three things; 1) Make sure you do it in front of a lot of people 2) Make sure you scream something about abusing women, so you're at least a little justified and 3) Make sure you scare the piss out of him. literally. My expirience is that the only way to get through to abusive fucks is by making sure every time they think about beating someone up, they think about you.

Bear in mind, above option will likely lead to you being expelled, so think really hard on it. I'll give you this advice too; don't regress to violence unless he pulls something like that more than once.

You may luck out and have someone else beat you to the punch (pun intended).

Apologies for giving terrible advice.
Apologize? You've given the most logical (pun intended) thing to do here. 50,000 Poodonkis Points for you.

Adding on to that, though. There's strength in numbers. If you want to kick the crap out of this guy, it is very likely others do too.
But follow what our dear Logician says, for he is wise.

If all else fails:
Get a posse together, put on masks, kidnap the guy, beat the crap out of him, warn him to stop his crap, tell him you'll be watching him, let him go.
Make sure you're not identified in doing this.

EDIT: make sure he's not getting punished justly for all that he's done. If he's getting off "scot-free", then follow any of these. I suggest the one in the quote box.
 

Ratman95

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Oh ya, and if your not really the strong type you can always shoot him in the face with a high-powered BB gun or paintball gun.
 

NinjaSkills

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I say either: Stab him or Kick his ass (off school grounds. I'm not saying this to be a nerd, but from what I read in the first post, if you do it on school grounds, it'll you'd get in trouble and the guy will get off scot free) or go psychological on him