Becoming A Schoolhouse Vigilante: My Moral Dilemma.

[sidhe3141]

To all those who suggested kick him in the balls, punch his lights out, shank him, etc.:
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
--I. Asimov

Get all of his victims together and come up with a mutual agreement to just ignore his antics. He does it for attention and sadistic jollies, so if you stop giving him attention and showing that you dislike what he does, it'll stop being fun for him.

I'm told that's how it works, anyway.

 

[MoganFreeman]

So, my fellow Escapists, what would you do?

Retribution. But it needs to be something the teachers won't be able to bust you for. And it would probably be best if the punk didn't know it was you who exacted revenge.

Might I suggest an indirect method? Note on a brick through the window? Slashed tires?

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
--I. Asimov

Eh, violence has its place. The only way to get someone who is truly unstable and psychotic to back down is to appear MORE unstable and psychotic.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

The fundamental flaw of all child psychology pertaining to bullies is that it works under the premise that bullies are working under a coherent logic that can be reasoned with. There's no logic to bullying people; it's like you said, he just enjoys the suffering of others. This is the kind of ethical stalemate that allows serial killers and power-mad dictators to flourish in the age of reason.

When I first read your post, my knee-jerk reaction was: "Beat the **** out of him and knock some sense into the little monster!" but then chances are that's probably going to give him exactly what he wants. If trying to reason with him and talk to him just fuels his fire, imagine what coming down to his level might do.
Then again....
Some people are so introverted, so wrapped up in their own little joys, the only thing that will jar their sense of reality is a wake up call in the form of... well, back to the knee-jerk. I've been bullied enough times to know that fighting doesn't really solve anything (levels and coming down to them and such), but then again, if this guy thinks he's better than everyone else and practically lives outside reality in his own little mind-kingdom of natural immunity to the pain of others, then maybe it's time to storm the castle.

My other suggestion is to go around to all the people he belittles and picks on, and get them all to sign a petition. The aim of the petition can be for him to get suspended, transferred, expelled, or really just anything. Gather all the signatures and present them to the principal. If you're going to do then, then what you absolutely must do more than anything is: while you're presenting it to the principal, simultaneously give a copy of the petition to someone in the administration, above the principal that is. That way, if the principal doesn't act, orders from on high might pervail in the end.

Good luck, dude, and if fists do enter the equation, give him one for me.

this, THIS, THIS, THIS!!!! you hit the nail on the head my friend. Principles usually dont do anything about these types of situations (know that personally), but who does the principle fear? why the superintendent, who does the superintendent fear? The school board. And please, dont do anything violent, if ive learned something these past few years that nothing is more satisfying than using your wit and intelligence to bring an enemy down.....just think about that. Good Luck.

@matsugawa: What kind of child psychology are you talking about - or are you just pulling that out of your ass? Of course there's a reason why a disturbed kid is bullying someone. Whether that reason is his decision, an environmental influence, or part of his nature is up for debate, and it certainly doesn't excuse his actions, but if we don't try to understand we end up making mistakes.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Eh, violence has its place. The only way to get someone who is truly unstable and psychotic to back down is to appear MORE unstable and psychotic.

Sure, if you want to be a gorilla.

 

[000Ronald]

To all those who suggested kick him in the balls, punch his lights out, shank him, etc.:
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
--I. Asimov

Get all of his victims together and come up with a mutual agreement to just ignore his antics. He does it for attention and sadistic jollies, so if you stop giving him attention and showing that you dislike what he does, it'll stop being fun for him.

I'm told that's how it works, anyway.

Violence is and has to be a last resort; but there is a difference between outright violence and defending yourself or someone else.

Also, ignoring him might not work. They tried that, and he bumped it up to assault, abet a minor one. What happens when he sets someone on fire becasue they're pretending he isn't there? I'm not saying that will happen, but I've seen things like it happen.

And yes, I'm insinuating that he may very well be mentally unhinged.

Problems like this don't have a definate solution. In any case, you have to be very, very careful.

Apologies again for the terrible advice.

 

[foolishmatt]

To all those who suggested kick him in the balls, punch his lights out, shank him, etc.:
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
--I. Asimov

Get all of his victims together and come up with a mutual agreement to just ignore his antics. He does it for attention and sadistic jollies, so if you stop giving him attention and showing that you dislike what he does, it'll stop being fun for him.

I'm told that's how it works, anyway.

I agree that violence has more negative repercussions than positive, but doing nothing won't help either. Besides that, how are you supposed to ignore a homemade arrow sticking out of your side? I suggest that if you have enough people report him, the principal has to respond. He/She can't ignore 20+ reports of the same person.

 

[Psypherus]

Kick the fucking shit out of that little *****. Break some bones and send him to the hospital

 

[foolishmatt]

Kick the fucking shit out of that little *****. Break some bones and send him to the hospital

But now he looks like a victim and will eventually recover while his parents sue his ass. A lawsuit like this can be harder to recover from than some broken bones, especially if they win.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

The fundamental flaw of all child psychology pertaining to bullies is that it works under the premise that bullies are working under a coherent logic that can be reasoned with. There's no logic to bullying people; it's like you said, he just enjoys the suffering of others. This is the kind of ethical stalemate that allows serial killers and power-mad dictators to flourish in the age of reason.

When I first read your post, my knee-jerk reaction was: "Beat the **** out of him and knock some sense into the little monster!" but then chances are that's probably going to give him exactly what he wants. If trying to reason with him and talk to him just fuels his fire, imagine what coming down to his level might do.
Then again....
Some people are so introverted, so wrapped up in their own little joys, the only thing that will jar their sense of reality is a wake up call in the form of... well, back to the knee-jerk. I've been bullied enough times to know that fighting doesn't really solve anything (levels and coming down to them and such), but then again, if this guy thinks he's better than everyone else and practically lives outside reality in his own little mind-kingdom of natural immunity to the pain of others, then maybe it's time to storm the castle.

My other suggestion is to go around to all the people he belittles and picks on, and get them all to sign a petition. The aim of the petition can be for him to get suspended, transferred, expelled, or really just anything. Gather all the signatures and present them to the principal. If you're going to do then, then what you absolutely must do more than anything is: while you're presenting it to the principal, simultaneously give a copy of the petition to someone in the administration, above the principal that is. That way, if the principal doesn't act, orders from on high might pervail in the end.

Good luck, dude, and if fists do enter the equation, give him one for me.

You didn't do it right, when you come down to their level.. You are supposed to put the fear of a god in them.

 

[Psypherus]

Kick the fucking shit out of that little *****. Break some bones and send him to the hospital

But now he looks like a victim and will eventually recover while his parents sue his ass. A lawsuit like this can be harder to recover from than some broken bones, especially if they win.

That's very true.

You could always snipe him from a distance =P (Joking of course)

 

[itsnotyouitsme]

"it penetrated her skin about an inch" "i'm a very chivalrious person"
He stabbed her.
Here's how this goes, when a guy stabs a girl, you are in full right to beat the crap out of him and ask your classmates to help. I'm a psychopath who laughs at dead baby jokes but even i have standards. If you were chivalrous you would have smacked the guy right then and there. At least when you beat the guy up and they send you to the principle, IF they do, say "he stabbed a girl, i did what was right"

 

[Xanadu84]

Physically assaulting him is appealing, but there's a problem: Everyone wants to be a bad ass, and thinks they could be in the right circumstances. Most of the times, you are just as likely to lose and encourage him, rather then win and make him angry. This doesn't even include if he has friends. My answer? Get together like minded people, and see the principle. Tell him or her firmly that, as a matter of personal safety, you will not attend classes that this kid is in. If he try's to force you, tell him you will call the local paper, and call a lawyer to consult about the legal consequences of endangering your safety by makeing you share a class with this psycho. Then, tell the principle that you and your friends WILL defend yourself, by force if necessary, and that you have this as a legal right, so if you don't want to have kids sent to the emergency room, to do something about this. Don't get angry, and don't use this as a bluff. Make the system work against him, not just you. Its not quite as fun of a solution, but its one that's more apt to work.

::Edit:: also, talk to the people he has attacked, and try to convince them to press legal, honest to god, cops come to the house charges. It's certainly appropriate, and would have happened outside of the school umbrella.

 

[mangus]

Anything you do will be met with retaliation and forgotten.

 

[Twilight_guy]

It surprises me that so many people have immediately called for violence. Violence never solves anything. Talk to the principal and tell him what happen if a teacher was injured then that's assault. If they tell the kid that he could go to juvie the next time he does something like that, it'll make him think twice before he does something that asinine again.

 

[itsnotyouitsme]

Knuckle punch him in the throat. ever been chopped in the troat? same effect but better. Also, make sure you leave as little signs as possible, ie. no black eyes.

 

[Jindrak]

Ask him "What's wrong? Did your mom drink away all your foodstamps again?"

Anyone who gets the reference wins a prize.

 

[Arcyde]

Honeslty?

I would kick his ass.

 

[itsnotyouitsme]

Ask him "What's wrong? Did your mom drink away all your foodstamps again?"

Anyone who gets the reference wins a prize.

Fallout 3

 

[Handofpwn]

Heres what to do:
Hit him with a sack of valencia oranges. Although people may say they do not leave bruises, this is incorrect. You will find a light bruising on the rind a few days later.

although violence should be the last step of your plan.
First, kidnap him and give him a good talking to with a group of buddies. Wear anonymous masks if you want, and tell him that if he pulls those shenanigans again, his ass will get beat. Be sure to tell him that you will not beat it promptly, but make him wait... Do not tell him how long.

Step two: Let him hurt someone again. I know that may not be your first instinct, but you need to gather evidence to at least partially justify your beating.

Step 3: Send the evidence around the school via text message or something. Almost every cell phone has video capabilities these days.

Step Four: Go to the administration with your evidence. Go to the media. Go to the school board. Go to the parents themselves. Go to youtube. Let everyone you can know about this.

Step E: Whup his ass. Get your posse together and beat his ass with anonymous masks on.

And if you feel like it, spread the word that his kind of faggotry will not be tolerated at your school.

 

[oktalist]

The best teacher I ever had taught us physics from age 14 to 18. He was old, wise, kindly and reminded one of Doc from Back To The Future. His style was more that of a university lecturer; he would just talk to the class and write stuff on the blackboard, and if you wanted to listen and take notes, then fine; if you didn't, he wasn't too bothered, as long as you didn't disrupt the students who wanted to learn. If one of the chav kids at the back started fucking around too much, he'd send them out of the class. For the most part, us good kids at the front were interested; we weren't swots, we didn't try too hard, and maybe sometimes it was more interesting to talk about games or cartoons, or doodle in our books, but we respected the guy 'cause he was awesome, and he liked us for that. His lessons were the highlight of the week. It probably helped that it was my favourite subject anyway, and I had a pre-existing interest in it.

One time we were messing around while doing an experiment involving electricity, with power packs that plugged into the mains and gave you a DC 12V rail for your experiments. We gathered up all the packs that weren't being used, and some that our friends were using, and connected them in series, about six of them, to give like 72V*, and started arcing wicked sparks everywhere, singeing bits of paper and melting thin bits of wire. His response to this was to tell us a simplified version of the story of Harry Daghlian [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_K._Daghlian,_Jr.], a Manhattan Project scientist who died from radiation sickness as a result of an accident during an experiment at LANL caused by the flouting of safety regulations.

The incident I'm about to discuss happened shortly after we had left school. Apparently some dickwad kid was being a ****, was asked to leave but refused and talked shit at this teacher, who then grabbed him by the hand and attempted to forcibly remove him. He resisted, and the teacher, presumably feeling years of suppressed anger for all the other little dickwads in the past boiling up into this one moment, simply snaps the kid's finger, breaking it.

The teacher was forced to resign.

[small]* I think voltage is additive in this way, although I may be wrong; it could be current that I'm thinking of.[/small]