Believe it or not, Infinity Ward do listen to us.

[Ashcrexl]

i just love your thread title, with its implication that Infinity Ward, a game developer, somehow puts together a highly successful game without having any idea what gamers want in a game.

but man, i'm gonna miss martyrdom and commando, just as i missed them in black ops. oh well, i guess balance is more important than cheap thrills.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

That's all well and good, but I'm just still annoyed that this happened in the first place. If they'd done a Beta in the first place, most of those issues would've been fixed.

Yeah I feel that way too. I don't understand their reasoning on not doing public betas.

Battlefield 3 looks set to become the new benchmark for not just FPSs, but destruction engines, animation, and audio quality, across the board.
Modern Warfare 3 had a Holographic sight with an extra scope.

Battlefield 3 does look amazing - but completely different. I'm pretty excited about both games to be honest.

And I will maintain that developers should not listen to their fans, too many cooks spoil the broth, try to get everyones idea in there and you will end up with something either horribly gray or horribly broken.

This is true, but when 90% of your community is screaming for one or two particular mechanics to be changed, it's a safe bet that they don't add to peoples' enjoyment of the game much. All most COD players want is some balance.

but...but....i liked second chance....

I hate you...

...just joking. I don't blame players for using it. But it really does ruin the pace of the game and just annoy the shit out of people, IMO.

No Commando or Second Chance? THANK GOD!

To be fair Second Chance is a really annoying perk but Treyarch made it 10 times worse in Black Ops by allowing people who had it on to be revived.

Not to mention how these days they keep firing their primary weapon as they fall, only whipping out their pistol after they've killed you too. Broken as fuck.

But... they're not removing martyrdom?

That's the only ability that I really, really think the game would be better without. I can't be the only one that thinks rewarding people's deaths with a cheap, no-skill kill is a stupid idea. At least with second chance and the like you had to aim and shoot someone to get the kill.

I really doubt they'll bring back Martyrdom.

 

[Kungfu_Teddybear]

No Commando or Second Chance? THANK GOD!

To be fair Second Chance is a really annoying perk but Treyarch made it 10 times worse in Black Ops by allowing people who had it on to be revived.

Not to mention how these days they keep firing their primary weapon as they fall, only whipping out their pistol after they've killed you too. Broken as fuck.

Yeah I've noticed that, it's a pain in the ass.

 

[Sinclair Solutions]

But what about dinosaurs? Any sign of those? He made a joke about it, but I want PROOF!

 

[Kungfu_Teddybear]

Are they removing shit like One Man Army as well? because that was another annoying perk.

 

[Magikarp]

If there are dedicated servers for consoles, I'll be happy. Host advantage is my major problem with CoD.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Are they removing shit like One Man Army as well? because that was another annoying perk.

Yes, One Man Army has been removed.

 

[DustyLion]

I'm sorry but they MAY be listening to us, but holding off on all these critical changes for the next yearly installment isn't exactly kosher. "Oh yeah we'll fix our glaring balance problems. But only if you buy our next game!" What ever happened extended game life? Patches exist for a reason! I'm not dropping 60 bucks for a game that has the kind of fixes that should have been patched into the last one.

 

[CD-R]

If there are dedicated servers for consoles, I'll be happy. Host advantage is my major problem with CoD.

There aren't. I think there was an article about posted somewhere.

Edit: Here it is.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/02/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-3-wont-have-dedicated-servers-perks-and-kill-streaks-detailed/

I guess we know which game is going to sell better on PC at least.

 

[tippy2k2]

I wouldn't mind second chance if you could kill them while they are falling. Maybe it's lag, but I'm constantly just holding down fire on them while they fall and they casually shoot me in the face in the two seconds it takes for them to fall.

Also, the one shot weapons should over-ride second chance. Nothing sucks more than hitting them in the chest with a FAL only to have them shoot me because I have to re-aim with the single shot weapon.

 

[C95J]

but...but....i liked second chance....

In my opinion if someone gets killed by a guy lying stationary on the ground, with only a pistol, then they deserve to be killed

I know I rarely got killed by Second Chance. I never found it annoying at all.

 

[DustyLion]

If there are dedicated servers for consoles, I'll be happy. Host advantage is my major problem with CoD.

There aren't. I think there was an article about posted somewhere.

Edit: Here it is.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/02/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-3-wont-have-dedicated-servers-perks-and-kill-streaks-detailed/

I guess we know which game is going to sell better on PC at least.

And most of those perks are just repackaged and named perks we've had all along. We're getting mostly the same guns, and from the E3 show the game play is going to be exactly what we've been playing since 2007 with no real additions outside of renamed perks.

On top of that dedicated servers got the ax again. So tell me why should I spend my money on Modern Warfare 2.1?

 

[Owlslayer]

Well, good to know that they're listening. Hopefully MW3 multiplayer will be less frustrating than MW2 was. Though i did like MW2 MP, it just often angered me.
We'll see how this goes /fingers crossed

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

Hurray quick scoping is coming back!

Glad there's still a development team that understands how fun it is, and it is NOT overpowered in the slightest. Hell, it's probably the only thing in the CoD series that takes actual skill to do. Of course there's a large community of people who will tell you it's a glitch, it's auto-aim, etc... misinformed people.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm expecting a horde of realism crybabies to show up in my front yard with pitchforks.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

In my opinion if someone gets killed by a guy lying stationary on the ground, with only a pistol, then they deserve to be killed

I know I rarely got killed by Second Chance. I never found it annoying at all.

That's not the issue. The issues are with the time a player spends going into the Second Chance position:

1. In the extra time it takes to finish them off, you can be killed by someone else when without Second Chance factoring in you'd have killed both of them. In a game as fast as COD, these split-seconds mean life or death.

2. They get extra time to kill you with their primary as they fall into Second Chance, during their invincibility frames, as well as the automatic drop-shot:



Your chance to kill them: Until they fall into SC
Their chance to kill you: Until they fall into SC, as they are invincible falling into it, and after they fall into it

Plus, the simple principal of a perk that rewards people for playing badly doesn't sit right with a lot of players.

 

[spartandude]

If they're listening to fans why are they putting in a subscription service?

 

[Akisa]

If they're listening to fans, why are there still no dedicated servers? Sorry working on it doesn't count.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

If they're listening to fans why are they putting in a subscription service?

They aren't. The game and all its features will be free, the subscription is for a Facebook style social media type add on.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

So they're nerfing the knife...... the only weapon that I actually have fun using? If it's a big nerf, a big chunk of my interest in the multiplayer has been lost.

It'll make far more people happy than upset.

I'm glad it's being nerfed. The knife in COD is waaay overpowered and lets people get the stupidest, cheapest, even accidental kills. It's maddening seeing someone lunge trough your bullets for an auto-lock one hit kill even though the knife didn't even connect with you half the time.

And yes, accidental panic knifing does exist, I did it myself hundreds of times before switching to tactical.

What do you think back to the rifle butt? I want to bash people's faces in again.

OT: Anyway unless they have dedicated servers and do something serious about what has happened balance wise in the multiplayer(both weapons and kllstreaks) I am not getting this game. If I do it won't be at launch until I see reviews and stuff. I gave the series another chance with BO which stunk when it came to kill streaks and balance but if they can prove competent once again I will give them another chance. I mean I did sink nearly 1.2k hours into CoD 2 and 4.

I know there is only so much you can do with weapons but there needs to be some sort of innovation in weapons and gameplay. There is no personality to the weapons in BO they just feel like meaningless stats. Also they need to badly start rewarding team play more. I know CoD has more been about a bit of lone wolfing but it has gotten ridiculous when 1 person with 1 killstreak can change a game.

As a side note I am fucking shocked. I can't even describe the magnitude of how shocked I am people are sad knifing is getting a nerf.