Best/Worst Game Twists (Spoilers Aplenty)

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burningdragoon said:
Not the best or the worst but I thought NIER had a great combo of bad/amazing twist at the same time.

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The twist I didn't like: turns out you and everyone are just vessels (or something) for the 'real' people of the world. I forget why it's the way it is, but it bugged me

The awesome part: In New Game+ all the big baddies you face get extra scenes where they just want to coexist but the 'good' guys were doing horrible things, and the big boss battles were actually a retaliation to other events.



That was me not doing the game justice with my words. Oh well.
the people were supposed to be immune soldiers to a disease from Nier's prequels - Drakengard, after the enemy was to be killed, the real people's souls would be inserted into the vessels but the vessels developed souls of their own.
 

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Best: KoTOR

You are Revan!!! So much foreshadowing but completely unexpected on your first playthrough. I loved it.
I'm actually going to have to say I consider KOTOR one of the worst. That foreshadowing you mention? I did pick up on it in my first playthrough. In fact, I felt like I was being so beaten over the head with it that I was concerned about the possibility of a concussion. Then they simply confirmed everything I'd already figured out who knows how many hours ago as though it was supposed to be a shock, when really it just felt like they thought I was an idiot who wouldn't notice that they spent most of the game spelling it out in big letters for me. I actually stopped playing not long after that because I just didn't care for the writing and that felt like the final slap in the face.

As for good plot twists, an old one but still a good one (and unexpected for its time).

Final Fantasy VI:
Kefka betrays the emperor and destroys the world. Bad guy wins. A year later, the good guys are fighting to try and save what's left.
 

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Vivi22 said:
endtherapture said:
Best: KoTOR

You are Revan!!! So much foreshadowing but completely unexpected on your first playthrough. I loved it.
I'm actually going to have to say I consider KOTOR one of the worst. That foreshadowing you mention? I did pick up on it in my first playthrough. In fact, I felt like I was being so beaten over the head with it that I was concerned about the possibility of a concussion. Then they simply confirmed everything I'd already figured out who knows how many hours ago as though it was supposed to be a shock, when really it just felt like they thought I was an idiot who wouldn't notice that they spent most of the game spelling it out in big letters for me. I actually stopped playing not long after that because I just didn't care for the writing and that felt like the final slap in the face.
Thank you. The real plot twist about KOTOR came when I looked here and so many people (3-4) considered it a surprise. Everybody I've spoken to up to this point figured it before the reveal. Well, we did agree that it's a cool plot twist, only not a surprise.

rob_simple said:
Good

I always liked the overly-dramatic story for this series, and the twist in Soul Reaver 2 that Kain raised Raziel and his brothers from the bodies of a clan of vampire hunters came as a genuine surprise. The time traveling fight that followed was a bit dumb, mind you.
Ah, but that was in Soul Reaver 1. SR2 furthered the plot twist, though (among other plot twists. The LoK series probably have the most things that turn everything on it's head once they come up)

Raziel finds clues about some weird creatures that look like him but seem to be long extinct as almost nothing is left by them. So he finds Janos Audron, a vampire that had an offhand mention as a very old inhuman monster. Only it turns out he is one of the Ancients. Also not really a monster. However, Sarafan vampire hunters followed Raziel and managed to capture and kill Janos in front of Raz's eyes. Also, it was the human Raziel who did it. This leads to Raziel (the playable one) to infiltrate the Sarafan stronghold for revenge.

Also, the death of Janos, made Vorador massacre six of the circle of nine. The very beginning of Blood Omen. It wasn't just a random act of cruelty on the vampire's part as we were led to believe - it was just pure revenge.

Oh, and in the mean time, Moebius, along with Malek held Raziel away from this. Moebius prevented Malek - the guardian of the circle, to actually guard them, that's why in the beginning of BO, Malek was late. And for this, he was punished some time later - his spirit bound to his armour and his body left to die. Rather cruel punishment. No wonder he turned butter and hateful.

And here comes the ironic turn of events. Raziel, Dumah, Rahab, Melchiah, Turel, Zephon - the true extend of Kain's joke is not only that he raised some of his greatest enemies as his greatest allies and comrades. It was also one of their own that made them die in the first place - Raziel, former vampire hunter, former vampire, was the instrument of their destruction.

And when all is said and done, the best plot twists comes (at least for me): the Reaver blade, which Raziel used to slay his twice former brethren, turned to consume him. And then the realization hits him:

Raziel said:
...the ravenous, soul-devouring entity trapped in the blade was - and always had been - me.
This is why the blade was destroyed when Kain tried to strike me down - the Reaver could not devour its own soul. The paradox shattered the blade.
So - this was my terrible destiny - to play out this purgatorial cycle for all eternity...
I could not bear it - despair overwhelmed me.
And after the plot twist - surprise: Kain prevents Raziel's fate...only to turn things around once more as the history readjusts itself to this turn of events...
 

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Not enough love to Witcher 1 in this thread

The main bad guy of that game, the man you kill 5 seconds before this twist is fully revealed, is...
... actually your adopted son Alvin who travelled through time about 40 years in the past. And you just killed him, with a sword made for monsters no less. Good job

The worst is in Red Faction: Guerrilla
Your female love interest is a Marauder. I'm sorry, I didn't know marauding is something carried in your blood! They tried to make this such a big thing too! I'm sorry, but marauders are called such for ****ing marauding, and you spend your days in the garage making hi-tech equipment to resistance troops! You wear proper clothing instead of that Mad Max rubbish! This is in no way a controversial reveal, writers! Mason should have just replied "Uh huh... so how does this matter in any way?"
 

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Best, from Splosion Man.

The final boss of the game is a giant meat monster made up of all the meat from the scientists you have SPLODED throughout the game. Hilarious, and surprising.

Worst, from Bionic Commando (2009).

Your lost wife is your arm. Completely stupid and lame.
 

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rob_simple said:
After the Sixth Sense came out in the late 90's, shit storytellers the world over rejoiced in this apparently new discovery that you can conclude your rubbish story with any old nonsense --no matter how contrived-- as long as it's completely unexpected and most people will go 'that's brilliant'.

Games are no exception to this, and given that they're already host to some of the worst storytelling across any medium as it is (and some of the best) I thought it'd be nice to see what you all think constitutes a good twist and what makes you go 'oh, come on...'

Good

I always liked the overly-dramatic story for this series, and the twist in Soul Reaver 2 that Kain raised Raziel and his brothers from the bodies of a clan of vampire hunters came as a genuine surprise. The time traveling fight that followed was a bit dumb, mind you.

Bad

This game gets a lot of criticism but I still consider it one of my favourites. That being said, the revelation that the Vault you spent the entire game reaching did exist but actually had a world-eating monster inside it was dumb as spit.
How in the fuck you said that the best twist was that weak one on Soul Reaver 2? THIS is the best:

After renouncing and killing his past self, Raziel is overpowered by the Blood Reaver and the Spectral Reaver combined and stab him in the chest by possesing his own arm. At this moment Raziel realizes that the soul-devouring spirit of the Soul Reaver that bonded to him when the material sword broke is his own soul, brought back in time to this moment and drawn into the blade. Kain emerges from the shadows and watches, and eventually draws the sword from Raziel, saving his life and changing history again. Kain suddenly gains new memories from the altered timeline and tries to warn the weakened Raziel about the "Hylden", but Raziel slips into the spectral realm out of Kain's reach. There he finds the Soul Reaver still on his arm, and realizes his destiny has not been averted, merely postponed.

Those are 3 twist in a span less than 3 minutes. Those are the twist of the good old days and a much better example than yours
 

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DoPo said:
Vivi22 said:
endtherapture said:
Best: KoTOR

You are Revan!!! So much foreshadowing but completely unexpected on your first playthrough. I loved it.
I'm actually going to have to say I consider KOTOR one of the worst. That foreshadowing you mention? I did pick up on it in my first playthrough. In fact, I felt like I was being so beaten over the head with it that I was concerned about the possibility of a concussion. Then they simply confirmed everything I'd already figured out who knows how many hours ago as though it was supposed to be a shock, when really it just felt like they thought I was an idiot who wouldn't notice that they spent most of the game spelling it out in big letters for me. I actually stopped playing not long after that because I just didn't care for the writing and that felt like the final slap in the face.
Thank you. The real plot twist about KOTOR came when I looked here and so many people (3-4) considered it a surprise. Everybody I've spoken to up to this point figured it before the reveal. Well, we did agree that it's a cool plot twist, only not a surprise.

rob_simple said:
Good

I always liked the overly-dramatic story for this series, and the twist in Soul Reaver 2 that Kain raised Raziel and his brothers from the bodies of a clan of vampire hunters came as a genuine surprise. The time traveling fight that followed was a bit dumb, mind you.
Ah, but that was in Soul Reaver 1. SR2 furthered the plot twist, though (among other plot twists. The LoK series probably have the most things that turn everything on it's head once they come up)

Raziel finds clues about some weird creatures that look like him but seem to be long extinct as almost nothing is left by them. So he finds Janos Audron, a vampire that had an offhand mention as a very old inhuman monster. Only it turns out he is one of the Ancients. Also not really a monster. However, Sarafan vampire hunters followed Raziel and managed to capture and kill Janos in front of Raz's eyes. Also, it was the human Raziel who did it. This leads to Raziel (the playable one) to infiltrate the Sarafan stronghold for revenge.

Also, the death of Janos, made Vorador massacre six of the circle of nine. The very beginning of Blood Omen. It wasn't just a random act of cruelty on the vampire's part as we were led to believe - it was just pure revenge.

Oh, and in the mean time, Moebius, along with Malek held Raziel away from this. Moebius prevented Malek - the guardian of the circle, to actually guard them, that's why in the beginning of BO, Malek was late. And for this, he was punished some time later - his spirit bound to his armour and his body left to die. Rather cruel punishment. No wonder he turned butter and hateful.

And here comes the ironic turn of events. Raziel, Dumah, Rahab, Melchiah, Turel, Zephon - the true extend of Kain's joke is not only that he raised some of his greatest enemies as his greatest allies and comrades. It was also one of their own that made them die in the first place - Raziel, former vampire hunter, former vampire, was the instrument of their destruction.

And when all is said and done, the best plot twists comes (at least for me): the Reaver blade, which Raziel used to slay his twice former brethren, turned to consume him. And then the realization hits him:

Raziel said:
...the ravenous, soul-devouring entity trapped in the blade was - and always had been - me.
This is why the blade was destroyed when Kain tried to strike me down - the Reaver could not devour its own soul. The paradox shattered the blade.
So - this was my terrible destiny - to play out this purgatorial cycle for all eternity...
I could not bear it - despair overwhelmed me.
And after the plot twist - surprise: Kain prevents Raziel's fate...only to turn things around once more as the history readjusts itself to this turn of events...
Better than my post, i just assumed that the post is about twist at the end of the game, i just posted the last 3 at the very end of the game and that come in so quick that you are overwhelmed by them.
 

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Z of the Na said:
Best, from Splosion Man.

The final boss of the game is a giant meat monster made up of all the meat from the scientists you have SPLODED throughout the game. Hilarious, and surprising.

Worst, from Bionic Commando (2009).

Your lost wife is your arm. Completely stupid and lame.
Never played Bionic Commando, mind telling me how was the build up before the sucky twist?
 

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Bhaalspawn said:
From what I understand, all the anger about ME3 is that it gives you three options for an ending, and they are all the same with minor differences.

NEWS FLASH! Baldur's Gate 2 (highly regarded as one of the greatest games of all time) DID THE EXACT SAME THING!

Speaking in which...

Best: Baldur's Gate

You are the child of the God of Murder, and are destined to die to ressurect him.

Worst: Black Ops

Reznov was a hallucination the whole time!

I liked Black Ops, but come on...
mind spoiling the endings of Baldur 2 for me? i wanna know if at least there is some context for having 3 choices
 

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DioWallachia said:
Better than my post, i just assumed that the post is about twist at the end of the game, i just posted the last 3 at the very end of the game and that come in so quick that you are overwhelmed by them.
It's still astonishing how you constantly have twists here and there in LoK and they are still meaningful.

Which reminded me

Blood Omen does what KOTOR tried wa-a-ay better. KOTOR's "You are Revan dun-Dun-DUNN" doesn't come off completely by surprise. But, in BO, NOBODY FORESHADOWS IT. Kain is just a dude that rises for revenge. And then that revenge turns into a quest for redemption. And suddenly WHAM, "Hey Kain, we lied to you. Oh and you're totally the Guardian of Balance. Please commit suicide, thanks.". Out. Of. Fucking. Nowhere.
 

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Vivi22 said:
endtherapture said:
Best: KoTOR

You are Revan!!! So much foreshadowing but completely unexpected on your first playthrough. I loved it.
I'm actually going to have to say I consider KOTOR one of the worst. That foreshadowing you mention? I did pick up on it in my first playthrough. In fact, I felt like I was being so beaten over the head with it that I was concerned about the possibility of a concussion. Then they simply confirmed everything I'd already figured out who knows how many hours ago as though it was supposed to be a shock, when really it just felt like they thought I was an idiot who wouldn't notice that they spent most of the game spelling it out in big letters for me. I actually stopped playing not long after that because I just didn't care for the writing and that felt like the final slap in the face.
I was like 13 when I first played KoTOR so I didn't see the foreshadowing as much and it was quite dramatic the first time around.
 

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endtherapture said:
I was like 13 when I first played KoTOR so I didn't see the foreshadowing as much and it was quite dramatic the first time around.
Fair enough. I could see it coming off a little better to a younger audience who might not pick up as much on the foreshadowing. I think I might have been 19 or 20 when I actually played the game. Obviously there could be a bit of a difference between a 13 year old and 20 year old in terms of what subtext they'll pick up on.
 

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Vivi22 said:
endtherapture said:
I was like 13 when I first played KoTOR so I didn't see the foreshadowing as much and it was quite dramatic the first time around.
Fair enough. I could see it coming off a little better to a younger audience who might not pick up as much on the foreshadowing. I think I might have been 19 or 20 when I actually played the game. Obviously there could be a bit of a difference between a 13 year old and 20 year old in terms of what subtext they'll pick up on.
Subsequent playthroughs make it really obvious, but it does kinda make sense to me how people would foreshadow it, like how Bastila asks how you're getting along and conducts tests and how the Jedi council is apprehensive of you but yeah, I honestly thought Revan was some unimportant superfluous background lore, like Exar Kun, and the main plot was about Malak and the Star Forge, so finding out you were Revan was pretty damn cool, and I haven't had any other plot points act as a twist so much.

Bhaalspawn said:
From what I understand, all the anger about ME3 is that it gives you three options for an ending, and they are all the same with minor differences.

NEWS FLASH! Baldur's Gate 2 (highly regarded as one of the greatest games of all time) DID THE EXACT SAME THING!
What endings can you chose for BG2? I just defeated the last boss in hell and then the game ends. I know there are different endings for ToB but they differ on your aligment somewhat...and there's only 2 endings anyway?
 

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DioWallachia said:
Never played Bionic Commando, mind telling me how was the build up before the sucky twist?
Basically, you are only doing the work the government wants you to do because Spencer is on a personal quest to find his lost wife. After the entire game, you discover that bionic limbs can only function with the pairing of a human mind. Ironically, Spencer's wife was used as this mind for the functionality of his bionic arm. Yeah, pretty terrible.
 

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Anyone gonna mention Silent Hill 2? No? Ok then

James, the bereaved widower protagonist, discovers he actually murdered his terminally ill wife. The creatures he sees in Silent Hill are manifestations of his crippling, guilty subconscious
 

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Bioshock is easily the best and since I don't know how to do the spoiler thing I'll just say "Would you kindly?"
The worst would have to be Modern Warefare 2's twist that Shepard is evil since it doesn't make sense why he would have to kill off his entire special ops squad just so he can be considered a war hero.
 

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I thought Bioshock's twist was pretty bad. Saw Atlas' betrayal coming the second he opened his mouth, and realized he was secretly Fontaine the first time he was mentioned. I'm not speaking figuratively there either, I literal figured it out that fast.