Bethesda: Consoles to be the lead platform for Skyrim, aim to make it ?really accessible?

[Signa]

"More accessible"
Yeah, 'cause that's what all the console users have been clamoring about Oblivion for all these years.

Let me go on record here and say I fucking called it months ago. A lot of people told me to wait and see, but this is proof enough at this point. Give me JUST ONE example where a developer said something like this and it wasn't a complete mess once the game came out. Oh, I don't doubt people will like this game, but it won't be the die-hard Elderscolls fans.

 

[Cridhe]

Don't like it? Don't play it. It's just a game and no one is forcing you to do so.

Age old argument: My religion is the right religion and I hope you burn in hell for having a stupid god.

 

[franconbean]

>.> Screw this, i'm off to find my copy of Morrowind.

Accessability is fine, but i love to crunch numbers.
Sadly, i was denied this in Oblivion mostly and now it appears I will be denied again.
You've Changed, Elderscrolls .

 

[Cridhe]

Frankly, the issue isn't so much this particular game, it's that we PC gamers (or people who play consoles but prefer PCs in general). Frankly, the PC is superior to consoles in terms of gameplay experience, but the tradoff is inherently that there is a great deal more work you need to do in order to actually play them, and as such people who play such games are willing to make a trade-off of having more depth for less approachable.


Now, keep in mind, there's nothing wrong with improving approach ability, but the problem is that the current design approach usually results in depth being sacrificed for approachability, and that there are like no games which cater to a desire for increased depth justifiably frustrates PC gamers.


So yea, pc gamers always whine cause nobody is catering to them, period. From expirience statements like this almost always means reduced depth.

In my opinion console gaming is superior as I'm not slumped over a mouse and keyboard. It's ooooo much more enjoyable to me to sit/lay back and relax with a game pad.

 

[bob-2000]

Another company turns its back on the PC gamers. Thanks, guys, that's just fucking great.

 

[banksy122]

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In my opinion console gaming is superior as I'm not slumped over a mouse and keyboard. It's ooooo much more enjoyable to me to sit/lay back and relax with a game pad.

I am sorry, but you are doing it wrong if you are slumping over a mouse and keyboard. I always lean back heaps and never ever lean forward. I play my Console on the same chair I play PC and I have never gotten a sore back from playing PC games, but for some reason I have from playing a Console.

 

[Javarock]

Another company turns its back on the PC gamers. Thanks, guys, that's just fucking great.

This isn't new. Why the hell are you complaning now?. It was pitfully obvious that bethsda had turned from the pc on oblivion, Much less if you played there other games (Fallout) you would know who it was for. But then again WHO GIVES A DAMN. Pc gamers are getting a better deal overall beacuse they get mods, Hell I would be buying pc if I had the upgrade my cpu needs.

 

[AdumbroDeus]

Frankly, the issue isn't so much this particular game, it's that we PC gamers (or people who play consoles but prefer PCs in general). Frankly, the PC is superior to consoles in terms of gameplay experience, but the tradoff is inherently that there is a great deal more work you need to do in order to actually play them, and as such people who play such games are willing to make a trade-off of having more depth for less approachable.


Now, keep in mind, there's nothing wrong with improving approach ability, but the problem is that the current design approach usually results in depth being sacrificed for approachability, and that there are like no games which cater to a desire for increased depth justifiably frustrates PC gamers.


So yea, pc gamers always whine cause nobody is catering to them, period. From expirience statements like this almost always means reduced depth.

In my opinion console gaming is superior as I'm not slumped over a mouse and keyboard. It's ooooo much more enjoyable to me to sit/lay back and relax with a game pad.

*plugs in my usb game pad*

I love it as well and do it all the time, but again this is the perfect example of what I'm saying. PC can always provide a better gaming experience, at the cost of being more bothersome to set up in the first place.

This isn't glorifying PC, however, just because it's capable of providing a better gaming experience doesn't mean it's the superior choice because that simply isn't the be all end all of gaming. Sure with some money, technical expertise, and time I could make morrowind's graphically almost equivalent to oblivion in terms of technical prowess, but that took quite a bit of modding work and resolving conflicts, it's simply not worth it to a lot of players. Most people aren't interested in going through what I went through to make morrowind perfect, let alone what's required to play smash 64 on a Gamecube controller with HD graphics, but can any console do that?


So it's a trade-off, ease of use vs objectively superior performance at the end of the day? That's the choice that you have to make when choosing between PCs and consoles.

I use linux (except for the majority of my gaming, cause gaming on linux is a b****), so I'm very obviously in the latter camp, I wanna customize my game performance down to as many details as possible. That's why I'm primarily a PC gamer, but that doesn't mean being primarily a console gamer is actually wrong. Just a choice for ease of use, and given that gaming is entertainment, a respectable one.

 

[Pirakahunter788]

I thought this was funny. "If you squint really hard, you can see that their reasoning is actually a veiled insult towards console gamers. The next installment in a popular PC series must be actively developed on consoles and then dumbed down in order to be ?accessible? for consoles players."

 

[Cridhe]

Frankly, the issue isn't so much this particular game, it's that we PC gamers (or people who play consoles but prefer PCs in general). Frankly, the PC is superior to consoles in terms of gameplay experience, but the tradoff is inherently that there is a great deal more work you need to do in order to actually play them, and as such people who play such games are willing to make a trade-off of having more depth for less approachable.


Now, keep in mind, there's nothing wrong with improving approach ability, but the problem is that the current design approach usually results in depth being sacrificed for approachability, and that there are like no games which cater to a desire for increased depth justifiably frustrates PC gamers.


So yea, pc gamers always whine cause nobody is catering to them, period. From expirience statements like this almost always means reduced depth.

In my opinion console gaming is superior as I'm not slumped over a mouse and keyboard. It's ooooo much more enjoyable to me to sit/lay back and relax with a game pad.

Frankly, the issue isn't so much this particular game, it's that we PC gamers (or people who play consoles but prefer PCs in general). Frankly, the PC is superior to consoles in terms of gameplay experience, but the tradoff is inherently that there is a great deal more work you need to do in order to actually play them, and as such people who play such games are willing to make a trade-off of having more depth for less approachable.


Now, keep in mind, there's nothing wrong with improving approach ability, but the problem is that the current design approach usually results in depth being sacrificed for approachability, and that there are like no games which cater to a desire for increased depth justifiably frustrates PC gamers.


So yea, pc gamers always whine cause nobody is catering to them, period. From expirience statements like this almost always means reduced depth.

In my opinion console gaming is superior as I'm not slumped over a mouse and keyboard. It's ooooo much more enjoyable to me to sit/lay back and relax with a game pad.

I sit back in my reclining chair and play pc games with a ps3 controller on my 42 inch plasma tv, so you can have the best of both worlds, you know.

And Traun, prepare to be disappointed.

The PC version of Dragon Age isn't game pad friendly. I happen to like Dragon Age, thus your argument is half valid. I will never be a PC gamer, and it would be appreciated if you would stop trying to convert me to your religion, sir.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Unfortunately they've also made it abundantly clear that they want to include the "Live experience" into Windows 8... ... ... http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-reveals-xbox-live-will-be-built-into-windows-8/

Note to self: When Win7 stops being supported, time to jump to linux.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

So it's a trade-off, ease of use vs objectively superior performance at the end of the day? That's the choice that you have to make when choosing between PCs and consoles.

Problem there is that if the developer isn't interested in harnessing that superior performance then it's up to PC modders to try it... Sometimes it works (Morrowind HD overhaul packs) and sometimes it doesn't (attempts to get Saints Row 2 to not run like shit on the PC).

Which is kind of saying that the real advantage the power of a gaming PC gives is unrivalled flexibility and content customisation.

 

[AdumbroDeus]

Frankly, the issue isn't so much this particular game, it's that we PC gamers (or people who play consoles but prefer PCs in general). Frankly, the PC is superior to consoles in terms of gameplay experience, but the tradoff is inherently that there is a great deal more work you need to do in order to actually play them, and as such people who play such games are willing to make a trade-off of having more depth for less approachable.


Now, keep in mind, there's nothing wrong with improving approach ability, but the problem is that the current design approach usually results in depth being sacrificed for approachability, and that there are like no games which cater to a desire for increased depth justifiably frustrates PC gamers.


So yea, pc gamers always whine cause nobody is catering to them, period. From expirience statements like this almost always means reduced depth.

In my opinion console gaming is superior as I'm not slumped over a mouse and keyboard. It's ooooo much more enjoyable to me to sit/lay back and relax with a game pad.

Frankly, the issue isn't so much this particular game, it's that we PC gamers (or people who play consoles but prefer PCs in general). Frankly, the PC is superior to consoles in terms of gameplay experience, but the tradoff is inherently that there is a great deal more work you need to do in order to actually play them, and as such people who play such games are willing to make a trade-off of having more depth for less approachable.


Now, keep in mind, there's nothing wrong with improving approach ability, but the problem is that the current design approach usually results in depth being sacrificed for approachability, and that there are like no games which cater to a desire for increased depth justifiably frustrates PC gamers.


So yea, pc gamers always whine cause nobody is catering to them, period. From expirience statements like this almost always means reduced depth.

In my opinion console gaming is superior as I'm not slumped over a mouse and keyboard. It's ooooo much more enjoyable to me to sit/lay back and relax with a game pad.

I sit back in my reclining chair and play pc games with a ps3 controller on my 42 inch plasma tv, so you can have the best of both worlds, you know.

And Traun, prepare to be disappointed.

The PC version of Dragon Age isn't game pad friendly. I happen to like Dragon Age, thus your argument is half valid. I will never be a PC gamer, and it would be appreciated if you would stop trying to convert me to your religion, sir.

One of us, one of us.

Also, ok tru dat, but with a bit of fiddling and toning down the difficulty settings it's workable. Like pretty much all PC gaming.

So it's a trade-off, ease of use vs objectively superior performance at the end of the day? That's the choice that you have to make when choosing between PCs and consoles.

Problem there is that if the developer isn't interested in harnessing that superior performance then it's up to PC modders to try it... Sometimes it works (Morrowind HD overhaul packs) and sometimes it doesn't (attempts to get Saints Row 2 to not run like shit on the PC).

Which is kind of saying that the real advantage the power of a gaming PC gives is unrivalled flexibility and content customisation.

Precisely. That's exactly what I was saying (oh and keep in mind, morrowind's graphics WERE cutting edge back in the day, the overhauls are so they remain competitive from a technical prospective with more current games).

Frankly, the variety of PCs means that not every PC game will work well out of the box, or even work at all. But with a PC you have the tools to fix that or even push well beyond what the developer intended for the game to achieve, but it comes at a price, ease of use. Yea I chose to pay that price, but believe me, there are many times when I wish I didn't.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Frankly, the variety of PCs means that not every PC game will work well out of the box, or even work at all. But with a PC you have the tools to fix that or even push well beyond what the developer intended for the game to achieve, but it comes at a price, ease of use. Yea I chose to pay that price, but believe me, there are many times when I wish I didn't.

Ugh... don't remind me about the foibles of some PC games. The v1.1 patch for New Vegas killed the game for me and now even complete clean reinstalls won't get it to run for me... which halted my work on a wee little mod that combined the Alien Blaster model and Umpa's Dance Mod to create The GoGo-Ray. Fuck working on a mod that I can't test or play, though.

 

[Scars Unseen]

So what I'm taking from this is that I still won't be able to map a button to open my map directly.

 

[Triangulon]

I will wait and see with this. I suspect that it may just be attempting to gain a larger slice of the console pie which, let's face it, is more profitable. I remain optimistic that the PC version will be palatable and that early mods will make it enjoyable.em

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Pc gamers are getting a better deal overall beacuse they get mods

But PC gamers don't just 'get' mods, some bunny has to spend the time and effort making them and so only the games that have active and talented modding communities get mods worth paying attention to, otherwise the bulk of the mods end up being shitty reskins that look like they were done in MS Paint, God Items (cheats) and bad nude mods. Lots of bad nude mods. Just a bunch of bollocks that does nothing to enhance play. Mods that enhance and expand play... well those are another story and require pretty dedicated mod communities... or at least a dozen or so really hardcore dedicated modders.

Gonna be interesting to see if the Skyrim mod scene is centred around the same 20 or so hyperproductive (and talented) modders that every Bethesda games' modding community has centred around since Morrowind.

 

[Platypusbill101]

PC gamers will get all the cool mods, so ultimately they'll end up with the better game.

Let's just hope it runs great on all platforms.

Bethesda has actually thought about implementing mods for consoles, but I´m sure there will be compatability issues.