Bethesda (Makers of such hits as Oblivion and Fallout 3) Says That WRPG's Are More Realistic Than JR
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Well you have to admit, I've never seen a WRPG that had characters that don't look like they could lift a pebble, yet somehow easily lift a sword ten times longer and five times thicker than they are. I've also never seen WRPGs use spells that involve blowing up the entire solar system yet inexplicably result only in doing about 100 damage to your entire party. Still it's a rather pointless statement as all it does is anger people over something I never recall RPGs striving for in the first place.Phoenix_XIII said:
Theres just a helluva lot of Jrpg hate around not just in this thread but in general. I like the Fallout series but cannot stand Oblivion, I just found it boring most of the time. Just because alot of western rpgs are more "realistic" and familiar i.e their settings are medieval fantasy most of the time and thusly more familar to a western audience hence the term western rpg, doesn't automatically make them superior to japanese rpgs. If I'm honest I think Jrpgs are more fun because they're not limited to one setting which most western developers can't seem to move away from. The Japanese aren't afraid to try something new with different settings. It can range from being set in space, on world with a american western feel, being pirates but sky pirates or just being deeply in the occult and just pure mind-fuckery. Sure its not realistic but isn't that the point of a role-playing game to begin with?!
As for the "angsty teenagers" thing that keeps getting thrown around to discuss the traditional Japanese rpg protagonist, I'm sorry, thats utter bullshit. Of course, people say this because they seem to think every jrpg is Final Fantasy, particular number 7. I can think of a crap-ton of jrpg protagonists that are nothing like the "angsty" type. The protagonists from Persona's 3 and 4, Ness from Earthbound, Vyse from Skies of Arcadia, Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia, Laharl from Disgaea, Issac from Golden Sun....need I go on?
Let me ask this? Sure you may say its bad for about 90% of Jrpgs to feature young kids as the heroes of the stories but are you saying you've NEVER imagined yourself as a hero saving the world when you were younger?!
Now I'm getting off topic, sorry.
Anyways, yeah, seems abit like Bethesda having a needless stab as someone's already said. Ultimately its personal taste. You can like whatever you want to like, no-one's really gonna change that for you.
As for the "angsty teenagers" thing that keeps getting thrown around to discuss the traditional Japanese rpg protagonist, I'm sorry, thats utter bullshit. Of course, people say this because they seem to think every jrpg is Final Fantasy, particular number 7. I can think of a crap-ton of jrpg protagonists that are nothing like the "angsty" type. The protagonists from Persona's 3 and 4, Ness from Earthbound, Vyse from Skies of Arcadia, Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia, Laharl from Disgaea, Issac from Golden Sun....need I go on?
Let me ask this? Sure you may say its bad for about 90% of Jrpgs to feature young kids as the heroes of the stories but are you saying you've NEVER imagined yourself as a hero saving the world when you were younger?!
Now I'm getting off topic, sorry.
Anyways, yeah, seems abit like Bethesda having a needless stab as someone's already said. Ultimately its personal taste. You can like whatever you want to like, no-one's really gonna change that for you.
Yeah, pretty much this. I get tired of the constant grimdark and earthy tone in most of the WRPG's nowadays. Not that it makes me automatically hate a game, just that when I play a nice, colorful JRPG, it's good change of pace.DustyDrB said:
I don't have much experience with JRPGs, I dislike Turn-based combat too much, but I'm relatively familiar with FFXIII and this was one of my complaints. The entire premise was just way too far out there to believe. It ruined my immersion.
Realistic is confusing in this context. The WRPG is more focused on simulation than JRPG's are and I think thats the real take away.
[sub]WHAT A BUNCH OF DOUCHES!!![/sub]
What?
[sub]HAVE YOU EVEN PLAYED FALLOUT 3?! HOW ARE SUPER MUTANTS MORE REALISTIC THAN 12 YEAR OLDS WIELDING 10 FOOT SWORDS?!![/sub]
I think it's more than that. I think they're trying to say that a man trying to survive in a post-apoctalyptic world or a Mage trying to stop the coming of a daedric prince seem more realistic than sulky teenages saving the world.
[sub]HOW?!!![/sub]
Well, I'd say the biggest difference is age. Every JRPG I've played the teenagers are always making deep, complicated desicions and that always seems out of character. As a teenager I don't think I ever had the complexity needed to be in an JRPG. I probably still don't.
[sub]YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT!!![/sub]
Oh, come on then, what makes a JRPG more realistic than a WRPG?
[sub]..................[/sub]
Exactly what I thought.
[sub]THE WAY THEY TALK!![/sub]
What?
[sub]IN JRPGS THE CHARACTERS ALWAYS HAVE SOME MOVEMENT WHEN THEY ARE TALKING. THEY DON'T STAND DEAD STILL AND WATCH YOU THEY WHOLE CONVERSATION.[/sub]
Thats more of a game mechanic thing, I think Betheseda knows that people don't do that in real life.
[sub]ARE YOU SURE?!!![/sub]
What?
[sub]HAVE YOU EVEN PLAYED FALLOUT 3?! HOW ARE SUPER MUTANTS MORE REALISTIC THAN 12 YEAR OLDS WIELDING 10 FOOT SWORDS?!![/sub]
I think it's more than that. I think they're trying to say that a man trying to survive in a post-apoctalyptic world or a Mage trying to stop the coming of a daedric prince seem more realistic than sulky teenages saving the world.
[sub]HOW?!!![/sub]
Well, I'd say the biggest difference is age. Every JRPG I've played the teenagers are always making deep, complicated desicions and that always seems out of character. As a teenager I don't think I ever had the complexity needed to be in an JRPG. I probably still don't.
[sub]YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT!!![/sub]
Oh, come on then, what makes a JRPG more realistic than a WRPG?
[sub]..................[/sub]
Exactly what I thought.
[sub]THE WAY THEY TALK!![/sub]
What?
[sub]IN JRPGS THE CHARACTERS ALWAYS HAVE SOME MOVEMENT WHEN THEY ARE TALKING. THEY DON'T STAND DEAD STILL AND WATCH YOU THEY WHOLE CONVERSATION.[/sub]
Thats more of a game mechanic thing, I think Betheseda knows that people don't do that in real life.
[sub]ARE YOU SURE?!!![/sub]
I like both JRPG's and Western ones but i drew the line in Fallout when i shot a human point blank in the face with a handgun only for him to survive the whole ordeal and that's when i knew to put the game down after having found more horrid bugs, oh and also after seeing FFX's laugh scene that put me off the game for a while.
But really do we need to have this discussion because we all know companies like Bethesda are like little schoolboys in the yard known as the gaming market throwing insults at each other and claiming they are the best studio or the highest grossing company etc.
Hmmn my captcha seems to be Indian Summer
But really do we need to have this discussion because we all know companies like Bethesda are like little schoolboys in the yard known as the gaming market throwing insults at each other and claiming they are the best studio or the highest grossing company etc.
Hmmn my captcha seems to be Indian Summer
he's right!
Final Fantasy is realisti- oh wait
Persona is realisti- oh wait
Dragon Quest makes a whole lot of sen- ah screw it!
Its very hard to defend the realism of games where mostly the contestants stand on opposite sides of a room and take turns running to the other side and punching the other in the gut when compared to non-stop action of WRPG combat.
Its hard to find realism in the word "fantasy" but I would think that Bethesda was talking about actual gameplay rather than environments and story
Final Fantasy is realisti- oh wait
Persona is realisti- oh wait
Dragon Quest makes a whole lot of sen- ah screw it!
Its very hard to defend the realism of games where mostly the contestants stand on opposite sides of a room and take turns running to the other side and punching the other in the gut when compared to non-stop action of WRPG combat.
Its hard to find realism in the word "fantasy" but I would think that Bethesda was talking about actual gameplay rather than environments and story
They're right when the setting is more 'realistic' you are able to relate to the characters much more, maybe others can relate to aliens or some shit. I sure can't.
If you go on about realism in games, then you're being a fucking nerd.
I'm sorry I had to go there, but they're games, they always will be, and they don't have to be anything else.
I'm sorry I had to go there, but they're games, they always will be, and they don't have to be anything else.
Are you seriously asking this?Phoenix_XIII said:
Part of the appeal of Jrpgs is their break from realism. The whole anime style. Bethesda basically said the obvious and you're having a cow? Why? Care to give us examples of the great amounts of realism in the Final Fantasy series or Disgaea?
This isn't something to argue, it just is and is intrinsic to the appeal of the games and styles. Geez dude, is there something shitty going on in your life that you have to pick this fight?
