Biden clenches the nomination.

[Neuromancer]

Yeah, this is a contest, all politics is a contest and this is how the contest will be going. One candidate has rape allegations and so does the other, so which one will it be? The one who also seems to be all about taking away a womans rights or the one that doesn't?

Incorrect. Politics is a struggle. It is first and foremost a struggle for representation and empowerment. Who is Biden representing, and who is he seeking to empower? Not women, not workers, not the poor and marginalized. Look at the people funding his campaign and you'll know who he is working for.

And guess what, rape is taking away a person's rights away and reducing them to an object, so I'm not sure what your point is.

I mean you seem to be ignoring how much baggage trump has and how little that seemed to matter to a lot of people. Which is especially strange since they claim to be the party that is all about faith and morals.

Much like how Biden's baggage is getting ignored? Much like how the party that is supposedly, amongst other things, for female representation and rights is keeping all hush-hush about major rape allegations of its primary candidate? They seem hardly bothered by them.

I get that both of you don't like Biden, I don't either, I wanted Warren to win. But you are also sounding like you are planning on voting for trump. So just think about that.

I am not sure if I should laugh or feel insulted. Which part of "How about not voting for a rapist" did you not get? Trump is a despicable excuse of a human being, abhorrent in every sense of the word, from his business tactics to his policies. Biden is a career sycophant who has spent his entire history sucking up corporations and voting for bills that cut funding to the disenfranchised. Both of them have no understanding of what personal space is. Neither of them care about the rights of anyone not as rich as their sponsors.

So before you go accusing people of voting for Trump like this is some sort of witch hunt, as though the mere act of criticizing Creepy Joe is forbidden, put that trump paranoia back in your pants and think about why they are doing it. For me, it's called voting for your interests and voting with your conscience.

 

[SilentPony]

SNIP

How does me saying I wanted Bernie to actually win make it seem like I'm gonna vote for Trump? I told ya'll in 2016 that Hilary couldn't beat Trump, but Biden could have.
It is 4 years later, Biden can no longer beat Trump, but Bernie can. And its going to be the same outcome as last time. Trump will win reelection and the same corportists, centrists Democrats in name only like Hilary and Biden will be shrugging their shoulders saying they did the best they could, but America has spoken, never once realizing the best they could do would have been to never run. At this point Biden running is his ego and nostalgia for the Obama years when he could still speak without his """""stutter"""""
And I do find it offensive I spent years in speech therapy to work on my lisp and stutter and Biden knights defend his brain-dead mannequin act as what a stutter really is. Its not. Even at my worst time I never confused 16 with 17. He has brain damage and he will not win this election.

 

[Worgen]

Incorrect. Politics is a struggle. It is first and foremost a struggle for representation and empowerment. Who is Biden representing, and who is he seeking to empower? Not women, not workers, not the poor and marginalized. Look at the people funding his campaign and you'll know who he is working for.

And guess what, rape is taking away a person's rights away and reducing them to an object, so I'm not sure what your point is.



Much like how Biden's baggage is getting ignored? Much like how the party that is supposedly, amongst other things, for female representation and rights is keeping all hush-hush about major rape allegations of its primary candidate? They seem hardly bothered by them.

I am not sure if I should laugh or feel insulted. Which part of "How about not voting for a rapist" did you not get? Trump is a despicable excuse of a human being, abhorrent in every sense of the word, from his business tactics to his policies. Biden is a career sycophant who has spent his entire history sucking up corporations and voting for bills that cut funding to the disenfranchised. Both of them have no understanding of what personal space is. Neither of them care about the rights of anyone not as rich as their sponsors.

So before you go accusing people of voting for Trump like this is some sort of witch hunt, as though the mere act of criticizing Creepy Joe is forbidden, put that trump paranoia back in your pants and think about why they are doing it. For me, it's called voting for your interests and voting with your conscience.

A struggle is a contest. Biden sure as hell represents women and the poor more then trump does and you are just ignoring reality if you think otherwise. You can't wish away the nominee, doesn't matter how mad he makes you, hes going to be the nominee which means its Biden or trump. There is no third choice, and there is so much more at steak then way too many people seem to realize. We are talking the supreme court and judges in general. Trump wins, the court becomes solidly conservative for a very long time. Biden wins, well, we would either get moderate judges or more likely a left leaning ones.

Of course they are keeping it hush hush, if this ends up having legs then all it does is help trump.

You should feel insulted, but that's what you are doing. At this point any attacks on Biden from the left or dems literally just help trump and you can bet he is looking for every bit of ammunition he can to hit Biden with. The only way I can see him not using rape allegations against Biden if those end up sticking is because he is worried about the democrats dredging up his past. But, that doesn't fit with trump, trump is a crazy fucker who will yell about anything. But as I said before, republicans win when voter turn out is low and they will push this as hard as they can if it has legs to do that so as much as it sucks, harping on it is kinda like voting for trump.

 

[Worgen]

How does me saying I wanted Bernie to actually win make it seem like I'm gonna vote for Trump? I told ya'll in 2016 that Hilary couldn't beat Trump, but Biden could have.
It is 4 years later, Biden can no longer beat Trump, but Bernie can. And its going to be the same outcome as last time. Trump will win reelection and the same corportists, centrists Democrats in name only like Hilary and Biden will be shrugging their shoulders saying they did the best they could, but America has spoken, never once realizing the best they could do would have been to never run. At this point Biden running is his ego and nostalgia for the Obama years when he could still speak without his """""stutter"""""
And I do find it offensive I spent years in speech therapy to work on my lisp and stutter and Biden knights defend his brain-dead mannequin act as what a stutter really is. Its not. Even at my worst time I never confused 16 with 17. He has brain damage and he will not win this election.

Because you make it sound like you are Bernie or bust. Like since its not Bernie its no one and that you will just keep hammering on Biden, which does help trump. If Bernie couldn't win the nomination then he couldn't beat trump, he not only lost, he lost bad. Especially for someone who ran in 2016 and spent the most money and campaigned the most. We shall see, but you yelling about him having brain damage does make it seem like you're rooting for trump.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

A struggle is a contest. Biden sure as hell represents women and the poor more then trump does and you are just ignoring reality if you think otherwise. You can't wish away the nominee, doesn't matter how mad he makes you, hes going to be the nominee which means its Biden or trump. There is no third choice, and there is so much more at steak then way too many people seem to realize. We are talking the supreme court and judges in general. Trump wins, the court becomes solidly conservative for a very long time. Biden wins, well, we would either get moderate judges or more likely a left leaning ones.

Of course they are keeping it hush hush, if this ends up having legs then all it does is help trump.

You should feel insulted, but that's what you are doing. At this point any attacks on Biden from the left or dems literally just help trump and you can bet he is looking for every bit of ammunition he can to hit Biden with. The only way I can see him not using rape allegations against Biden if those end up sticking is because he is worried about the democrats dredging up his past. But, that doesn't fit with trump, trump is a crazy fucker who will yell about anything. But as I said before, republicans win when voter turn out is low and they will push this as hard as they can if it has legs to do that so as much as it sucks, harping on it is kinda like voting for trump.

Well since I don't want to vote for a rapist, good. Maybe the Dems can run not a fucking rapist next time. And saying there isn't a third choice is factually incorrect. The Democrats and Republicans haven't existed in perpetuity, I have no reason to vote for a rapist. I especially don't have to vote for a rapist against my best interests too.

 

[SilentPony]

Because you make it sound like you are Bernie or bust. Like since its not Bernie its no one and that you will just keep hammering on Biden, which does help trump. If Bernie couldn't win the nomination then he couldn't beat trump, he not only lost, he lost bad. Especially for someone who ran in 2016 and spent the most money and campaigned the most. We shall see, but you yelling about him having brain damage does make it seem like you're rooting for trump.

So are you saying that because you support Biden that you support rape? I mean the way you're so eager to forgive and forget yadda yadda.
Joe Biden is not a God, criticizing him doesn't make me a heretic, and he won't win. And its also likely that Biden, corporatist democrats or a combination of both stole the election from Bernie, 'cause a rapist is better than a socialist.
and I will keep on criticizing him and keep on telling people he won't win up until election day, where I will sadly and with great disgust vote for Biden, knowing in my state it won't matter, and watch him lose terribly. And the exact same thing will happen as in 2016

"But we did all the wrong things and ignored the actual candidates with ideas and charisma in favor of the one with enough dirt on the party Suits to force their victory, how could we have possibly lost?!"

I'm not Bernie or bust, I was winning or bust. Winning is off the table. Its bust time. If you cared about winning you would be outraged. Instead it seems you're resigned to what, losing with, i dunno, loyalty? Go down with the ship even after a someone warned of the iceberg and said they can change course, but no the pants-less old man in 1st class trying to grab the ladies insists he's the captain and icebergs aren't real.

 

[Worgen]

Well since I don't want to vote for a rapist, good. Maybe the Dems can run not a fucking rapist next time. And saying there isn't a third choice is factually incorrect. The Democrats and Republicans haven't existed in perpetuity, I have no reason to vote for a rapist. I especially don't have to vote for a rapist against my best interests too.

Its a two party system, its how it works. Biden or trump wins, no inbetween.

So are you saying that because you support Biden that you support rape? I mean the way you're so eager to forgive and forget yadda yadda.
Joe Biden is not a God, criticizing him doesn't make me a heretic, and he won't win. And its also likely that Biden, corporatist democrats or a combination of both stole the election from Bernie, 'cause a rapist is better than a socialist.
and I will keep on criticizing him and keep on telling people he won't win up until election day, where I will sadly and with great disgust vote for Biden, knowing in my state it won't matter, and watch him lose terribly. And the exact same thing will happen as in 2016

"But we did all the wrong things and ignored the actual candidates with ideas and charisma in favor of the one with enough dirt on the party Suits to force their victory, how could we have possibly lost?!"

I'm not Bernie or bust, I was winning or bust. Winning is off the table. Its bust time. If you cared about winning you would be outraged. Instead it seems you're resigned to what, losing with, i dunno, loyalty? Go down with the ship even after a someone warned of the iceberg and said they can change course, but no the pants-less old man in 1st class trying to grab the ladies insists he's the captain and icebergs aren't real.

I don't support Biden, I support not trump and right now, Biden is the only not trump left. The republicans are going to grab ahold of anything they can to win, including this. Bernie wasn't robbed, he lost, he lost big and now we have Biden. So as I said before, its Biden or trump. You have no other choice.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Its a two party system, its how it works. Biden or trump wins, no inbetween.

Who knows? Maybe enough people will be fed up and vote Green. That'd be neat.

 

[SilentPony]

You have no other choice.

I know, I agree. There is no other choice. There once was, even a winning choice. Biden cannot win. Biden will not win. I will vote for Biden. Biden will not win. Trump will win. Bernie could have beaten Trump. Bernie was benched so Biden could live out his 40+ power ego trip of being a good politician.
The choices come November will be Trump or Defeated by Trump. A vote for Biden is as much a vote for Trump as a vote for Trump is.

 

[Worgen]

Who knows? Maybe enough people will be fed up and vote Green. That'd be neat.

That will never happen, at least not for a long time.

I know, I agree. There is no other choice. There once was, even a winning choice. Biden cannot win. Biden will not win. I will vote for Biden. Biden will not win. Trump will win. Bernie could have beaten Trump. Bernie was benched so Biden could live out his 40+ power ego trip of being a good politician.
The choices come November will be Trump or Defeated by Trump. A vote for Biden is as much a vote for Trump as a vote for Trump is.

I remember arguing with someone on the escapist forums v1 about Biden being the safe bet for winning the nomination and they were adamant that he wouldn't win. But not only did he win, he won big, there was no benched or anything like that, he won. Calling a vote for Biden a vote for trump just makes it sound like you are in such a position of privilage that you dont need to worry about the supreme court taking away rights, or being deported after losing daca remove or denied entry at the borders or having unemployment lessened, or losing health insurance, or the fate of the environment.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

That will never happen, at least not for a long time.

If there ever was a time, now is that time. The Democrat party needs to die.

 

[SupahEwok]

If there ever was a time, now is that time. The Democrat party needs to die.

To be fair, so does the Republican party. Both parties are too deep into corporate interests to truly be representative government for all Americans.

 

[gorfias]

Biden is also a mentally broken, dementia-riddled senior citizen with now multiple sexual assault accusations against him. Not to mention his past voting record and stances on issues are seen as questionable, if not down right Republican.
Bernie had none of those flaws. Trump is going to eat Biden alive. Its going to be sad watching debates where Donald fucking Trump comes off as the smart one.

Seriously? This is the guy you think can beat Trump?

They're going to play that TV clip of Biden saying, "I tried to politically prostitute myself" on loop. They'll ask if you really think the nation will be better off making Hunter Biden richer? Joe will be framed as someone that will sell us out to China while Trump will fight for the US against them and their (corporate) interests. That's if Biden really runs in the general. I predict something will happen (i.e. So sorry to hear Joe committed suicide next September). In the past, when a pol. died, the Dems actually illegally had his wife's name replace his on the ballot. Will that happen again? I think before the general, Joe will one way or another, drop out and be replaced by a relative unknown. Hard to frame an argument against someone yet to be named.

 

[bluegate]

COVID-19 has made Trump look like an absolute ass, and so I don't think he will be re-elected after all.

Since when do Trump voters care about that?

He'll just repeat how tremendously good of a job he did until people believe him, blame some Democrat for something, reaffirm Republican's Us Vs Them tribal mentality and Bob's your uncle, another 4 years of a senile dotard representing the US.

Although the senile part is probably true of either candidate.

 

[gorfias]

Since when do Trump voters care about that?

He'll just repeat how tremendously good of a job he did until people believe him, blame some Democrat for something, reaffirm Republican's Us Vs Them tribal mentality and Bob's your uncle, another 4 years of a senile dotard representing the US.

Although the senile part is probably true of either candidate.

On a macro level, people basically understand that Trump has long been saying China is a problem while the Left called him a racist (China is not a race) and were telling people to go out and eat at Chinese restaurants and hug them to virtue signal what a good people they are.

Then, the Left blocked an aid package to the US because it did not do enough to add wealth and power to Hunter Biden.

The Left will be seen as being far more at fault for our troubles than Trump. And I think that view will be correct.

 

[SilentPony]

Saw this. Its sadly true

 

[Baffle]

Dear god the world is a bad place.

I want to say 'You idiots', but I'm not blaming anyone specifically.

 

[SilentPony]

Dear god the world is a bad place.

I want to say 'You idiots', but I'm not blaming anyone specifically.

I mean you could call everyone a "damn dirty ape"?

 

[Nick Calandra]

Since when do Trump voters care about that?

He'll just repeat how tremendously good of a job he did until people believe him, blame some Democrat for something, reaffirm Republican's Us Vs Them tribal mentality and Bob's your uncle, another 4 years of a senile dotard representing the US.

Although the senile part is probably true of either candidate.

I'm mostly curious how the tide might shift with so many people losing their job, and if they're not going to get the support they need ($1200 goes a lot further in the midwest than on the coasts (source: I'm in the midwest) ) then maybe they're going to be more open to the ideas of what the Democrats propose if they previously supported Trump.

What I'm also very curious to see is who Biden picks as VP, and whether or not he's open to adopting more of the progressive policies of Bernie to win that base over. The question is, will it just be talk to win people over like a typical politician (my gut says yes) or will he bring in a more progressive VP and take actual action (that's the hope, no?).

Either way, not gonna bring myself too much in these discussions, but I'm sure with the pandemic people are probably going to be paying much closer attention to how the government actually supports and affects their lives.

 

[Chimpzy]

To be fair, so does the Republican party. Both parties are too deep into corporate interests to truly be representative government for all Americans.

Pretty much, stagnation seems the best case scenario the average American can hope for in the upcoming election, whether they vote Biden or Trump.

I mean you could call everyone a "damn dirty ape"?

Not if he doesn't want copious amounts of feces flung at him.