Biden clenches the nomination.

[Worgen]

Pretty much, stagnation seems the best case scenario the average American can hope for in the upcoming election, whether they vote Biden or Trump.

If there ever was a time, now is that time. The Democrat party needs to die.

Its fun to say that everything should be destroyed, but its also a really silly statement. Cause we would just end up with 2 parties again and they would end up being pretty similar. If you want to change something then you need to change how the current voting system works, and even then you would end up with situations where the party that no one wanted to win, wins. The whole idea of a third party coming up and winning got closest with the bullmoose party and that still ended up with us getting woodrow wilson, who is probably the worst president we have ever had. Imagine someone as bad as trump but actually competent in the bad stuff they wanted to do.

 

[gorfias]

Pretty much, stagnation seems the best case scenario the average American can hope for in the upcoming election, whether they vote Biden or Trump.

Biden is on record stating that if elected, nothing will fundamentally change. Love him or hate him, Trump runs on change. He is renegotiating the entire NWO, particularly as it relates to China. This will make it much more difficult for people like Hunter Biden to collect graft money throughout the world and for this, our ruling corporate elite, deeply hate the Donald. I'll support him if for no other reason, he seems to have the correct enemies.

I do wish Tulsi had made more traction. Remember when the Democratic party was supposed to be the peace party?

Its fun to say that everything should be destroyed, but its also a really silly statement. Cause we would just end up with 2 parties again and they would end up being pretty similar. If you want to change something then you need to change how the current voting system works, and even then you would end up with situations where the party that no one wanted to win, wins. The whole idea of a third party coming up and winning got closest with the bullmoose party and that still ended up with us getting woodrow wilson, who is probably the worst president we have ever had. Imagine someone as bad as trump but actually competent in the bad stuff they wanted to do.

I'd heard something about vote ranking... don't recall exactly what it was called. Imagine if everyone was super split on choice number 1, but everyone agrees, say, Tulsi Gabbard was choice number 2. She would end up winning.

 

[Chimpzy]

Biden is on record stating that if elected, nothing will fundamentally change. Love him or hate him, Trump runs on change. He is renegotiating the entire NWO, particularly as it relates to China. This will make it much more difficult for people like Hunter Biden to collect graft money throughout the world and for this, our ruling corporate elite, deeply hate the Donald. I'll support him if for no other reason, he seems to have the correct enemies.

So then, how has Trump's presidency changed your life for the better?

 

[Worgen]

Biden is on record stating that if elected, nothing will fundamentally change. Love him or hate him, Trump runs on change. He is renegotiating the entire NWO, particularly as it relates to China. This will make it much more difficult for people like Hunter Biden to collect graft money throughout the world and for this, our ruling corporate elite, deeply hate the Donald. I'll support him if for no other reason, he seems to have the correct enemies.

I do wish Tulsi had made more traction. Remember when the Democratic party was supposed to be the peace party?



I'd heard something about vote ranking... don't recall exactly what it was called. Imagine if everyone was super split on choice number 1, but everyone agrees, say, Tulsi Gabbard was choice number 2. She would end up winning.

GCP Grey did a vid about this kinda thing.

Also, trump is an incompetent buffoon whos whole family more corrupt then Hunter Biden could hope to be and that is assuming he was corruptly put in place. To think hes not is to completely ignore everything he has done in office to enrich himself, such as holding events in his owned casinos, to sending his own personal lawyer and other countries to investigate political rivals, to getting preferential loans from other countries. He is as corrupt as they come. Don't bother responding to this part, this thread is about Biden getting the nomination. If you want to talk corruption, make your own thread.

Opinion | Trump’s Corruption: The Definitive List (Published 2018)

The many ways that the president, his family and his aides are lining their own pockets.

www.nytimes.com

 

[gorfias]

So then, how has Trump's presidency changed your life for the better?

For me, it was those that were quickly getting jobs in my circles, at top dollar. Then the virus. From China. That Trump has been trying to limit contact and warning about shipping out our manufacturing to China so we could find ourselves with shortages. ITMT, Hunter collected Billions from China after riding over on Air Force 2. The Left was telling us to hug a Chinese while the virus was revving up. On war? Trump has resisted war expansions. The Left and the legacy media have been salivating for war. That Trump hasn't got the US in Syria full on is testimony to his resistance. They really want this bad.

GCP Grey did a vid about this kinda thing.

Thanks, I'd forgotten the term. I think in this system, Bernie would have gotten the nod once Warren swung her support to him. Or vice versa. I think it would attract a lot more candidates and parties in the general though.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Its fun to say that everything should be destroyed, but its also a really silly statement. Cause we would just end up with 2 parties again and they would end up being pretty similar. If you want to change something then you need to change how the current voting system works, and even then you would end up with situations where the party that no one wanted to win, wins. The whole idea of a third party coming up and winning got closest with the bullmoose party and that still ended up with us getting woodrow wilson, who is probably the worst president we have ever had. Imagine someone as bad as trump but actually competent in the bad stuff they wanted to do.

Well there have been a few times where a party has dissolved for various reasons, but ones that can be summed up as "not the party for the time" and "run by incompetents". Which about sums up the Democrat party.

 

[Worgen]

Well there have been a few times where a party has dissolved for various reasons, but ones that can be summed up as "not the party for the time" and "run by incompetents". Which about sums up the Democrat party.

Its funny how republicans were saying that about the republican party during the Obama presidency. Really right up till trump managed to win the electoral college, they were seen as a dying party till they suddenly weren't. Seems like you are doing the exact same thing and really wanting to just see the republicans run rampant and just totally control everything. Its super weird.

There is this weird thing I've mainly noticed on the left which is "burn it all down unless its exactly what I want." Like the idea that it doesn't matter if something brings you closer to where you ultimately want to go, if it isn't exactly what you want immediately, then you should just surrender and hope things get really really bad so that everyone suddenly sees what you want and agrees to it. Despite the fact that never happens.

 

[Fat Hippo]

Its funny how republicans were saying that about the republican party during the Obama presidency. Really right up till trump managed to win the electoral college, they were seen as a dying party till they suddenly weren't. Seems like you are doing the exact same thing and really wanting to just see the republicans run rampant and just totally control everything. Its super weird.

Trump is kind of a symptom of the state the Republican party as a whole is in. The leadership is so weak that a total outsider basically managed to hijack the party against the will of the people theoretically in charge of it, and since then the entire elected Republican legislative has danced to his tune. The fact that Trump actually managed to win both the Republican primary and the election as a whole is not a sign of strength of either party, but rather how dejected people feel, both within and without the parties.

 

[PsychicTaco115]

How did we go from that to... this?

>Oh no, it's the Democratic candidates!
Actual memes

 

[SilentPony]

Its funny how republicans were saying that about the republican party during the Obama presidency. Really right up till trump managed to win the electoral college, they were seen as a dying party till they suddenly weren't. Seems like you are doing the exact same thing and really wanting to just see the republicans run rampant and just totally control everything. Its super weird.

There is this weird thing I've mainly noticed on the left which is "burn it all down unless its exactly what I want." Like the idea that it doesn't matter if something brings you closer to where you ultimately want to go, if it isn't exactly what you want immediately, then you should just surrender and hope things get really really bad so that everyone suddenly sees what you want and agrees to it. Despite the fact that never happens.

Well they're a dying party in that they are literally dying. During the 2016 election the average age of a Trump voter was 65+, whereas Hilary's was the 18-29 demo. Trump is the last gasp of the dying baby-boomers, and of millennials on 23% identify as Republican.

 

[Fat Hippo]

How did we go from that to... this?

>Oh no, it's the Democratic candidates!
Actual memes

Man, I haven't watched Simpsons in many a season, but this physically hurt me to see. The writing, the voice acting, the ideas espoused...oof.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Its funny how republicans were saying that about the republican party during the Obama presidency. Really right up till trump managed to win the electoral college, they were seen as a dying party till they suddenly weren't. Seems like you are doing the exact same thing and really wanting to just see the republicans run rampant and just totally control everything. Its super weird.

There is this weird thing I've mainly noticed on the left which is "burn it all down unless its exactly what I want." Like the idea that it doesn't matter if something brings you closer to where you ultimately want to go, if it isn't exactly what you want immediately, then you should just surrender and hope things get really really bad so that everyone suddenly sees what you want and agrees to it. Despite the fact that never happens.

What's weird is your insistence that there can only be a Democrat party to save us or somesuch nonsense. Honestly, that you take disagreement as Republican support is pretty distressing, and makes you look like a really defensive person.

As to the first two lines of your post, the actual points of it instead of plain fearmongering, as Hippo points out Trump isn't really saving the Republican party. They're trying to use him to do the normal Republican things, but it's still a sign that the party is weakening and having to change to stay relevant. The Democrats think they can ignore this and be the party of right wing austerity, but gay friendly.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

Fucking hell. Is this hell? Are we all secretly in hell? It's a grand job if so. Sprinkling just enough hope to drag everyone through clinging desperately to their own sense of salvation and justice, all while ever so slowly burning us alive, siphoning all we have to the eternally sneering lizards - the architects and ushers of our quasi-self-induced suffering - we are merely compromising the speed of our own destruction. Through gritted teeth always.

 

[Worgen]

What's weird is your insistence that there can only be a Democrat party to save us or somesuch nonsense. Honestly, that you take disagreement as Republican support is pretty distressing, and makes you look like a really defensive person.

As to the first two lines of your post, the actual points of it instead of plain fearmongering, as Hippo points out Trump isn't really saving the Republican party. They're trying to use him to do the normal Republican things, but it's still a sign that the party is weakening and having to change to stay relevant. The Democrats think they can ignore this and be the party of right wing austerity, but gay friendly.

Well, unless you feel like expressing your second amendment rights. Right now, yeah the democratic party is literally the only thing that will save us from trump. To think otherwise is delusional. They are literally the only thing that would stop trump from a second term and no amount of complaining will stop that from being a cold hard fact.

Well, lets go ahead and take a look at the positions of the democratic party.

Economic policy

• Expand Social Security and safety net programs.
• Increase top capital gains tax and dividend tax rates to above 28%.
• Across the board tax-cuts for the low and middle class and small businesses.
• Change tax rules to not encourage shipping jobs overseas.
• Increase federal and state minimum wages.
• Modernize and expand access to public education and provide universal preschool education.
• Support for universal health care.
• Greater investment in infrastructure development.
• Increase investments in scientific and technological research and development.
• Expand the use of renewable energy and diminish the use of fossil fuels.
• Implement a carbon tax.
• Uphold labor protections and the right to unionize.
• Reform the student loan system and allow for refinancing student loans.
• Make college more affordable.
• Mandate equal pay for equal work regardless of gender, race, or ethnicity.

Social policy

• Decriminalization or legalization of marijuana.
• Uphold network neutrality.
• Implement campaign finance reform and electoral reform.
• Uphold voting rights and easy access to voting.
• Support for same-sex marriage and civil unions. Bans on conversion therapy.
• Allow legal access to abortions and women's reproductive health care.
• Reform the immigration system and allow for a pathway to citizenship.
• Support for gun background checks and stricter gun control regulations.
• Improve privacy laws and curtail government surveillance.
• Opposition to the use of torture.
• Recognize and defend Internet freedom worldwide.

Oh holy crap that sounds so republican. You're right, that is totally the same as republicans, both parties are totally the same, we should all start breaking down doors to make clubs and beat each other into orgasm.

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Its fun to think of the republican party as a dying party, but its not dead year and considering how life expectancy works, assuming the numbers don't really change which is unlikely. They could still have another 20-30 years, assuming covid doesn't kill off large portions of the elderly, which it might. But all of that is still making a lot of assumptions, its not hard to get someone to embrace right wing idea's. It wasn't long ago when the right had no idea how to get to younger people then suddenly there was that gate thing and that did get a lot of younger people to become reactionary to the left based on really flimsy premises.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Well, unless you feel like expressing your second amendment rights. Right now, yeah the democratic party is literally the only thing that will save us from trump. To think otherwise is delusional. They are literally the only thing that would stop trump from a second term and no amount of complaining will stop that from being a cold hard fact.

It's not saving us if it's going to a Republican (D), it might be a slower burn, but it's been 30 years of Democrat policy that brought us to this point.

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These are theoretically the positions of some of the Democrat party, but as a party when exercising their power, basically none of that gets done. The most radical politician they could stand to follow was Obama, and his most radical program was to rip off a Republican healthcare initiative. Now they've nominated someone who doesn't like Roe v Wade and has promised to veto Medicare for all if it landed in front of him. Biden set up the current system where you can't get rid of student debt through bankruptcy. I have absolutely no reason to believe he's changed, no reason to believe the Democrats as a whole will try to help because when they do have power, they squander it appeasing Republicans.

If you want to waste your time supporting a party that hates you for being poor, go ahead. There's already a party that does that though and they're better in elections. I'm personally moving away from that model.

 

[Worgen]

It's not saving us if it's going to a Republican (D), it might be a slower burn, but it's been 30 years of Democrat policy that brought us to this point.

These are theoretically the positions of some of the Democrat party, but as a party when exercising their power, basically none of that gets done. The most radical politician they could stand to follow was Obama, and his most radical program was to rip off a Republican healthcare initiative. Now they've nominated someone who doesn't like Roe v Wade and has promised to veto Medicare for all if it landed in front of him. Biden set up the current system where you can't get rid of student debt through bankruptcy. I have absolutely no reason to believe he's changed, no reason to believe the Democrats as a whole will try to help because when they do have power, they squander it appeasing Republicans.

If you want to waste your time supporting a party that hates you for being poor, go ahead. There's already a party that does that though and they're better in elections. I'm personally moving away from that model.

Oh yeah because the democrats were totally in charge for the last 30 years, that is totally the case. There was no Bush Jr, if we just ignore him then its all the democrats fault, yeah. You are still in the position of endorsing trump by going against the democratic nominee, there is literally no question he will get you closer to where you want to be then trump would, but you seem not to see that. Again, you are just focused on getting exactly what you want without thinking about the consequences of losing. The supreme court is to important to give trump another appointee and there is no question he will get another if he wins.

The ACA was worlds better then what we had which was nothing, it had problems and was no medicare for all, but it was so much better then the jack squat we had before. If you paid attention you would know how hard it was just to get the ACA passed and even with how they did, it looks like it might be on borrowed time because of the republicans. We also got gay marriage because of Obama. Roe V Wade was going nowhere under the democrats, now its looking really like that is going to go away because of the supreme court nominees trump made, even if Biden didn't like it, there wasn't much he could do about it since its one of the things the democratic party likes.

I told you before, I don't support the democratic party, I support the not republican party and they are currently the only realistic counter to a party that I disagree with about almost everything. What you really need to understand about politics is that in the end, the only thing that matters is winning, if you lose then you get no voice till the next round.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Oh yeah because the democrats were totally in charge for the last 30 years, that is totally the case. There was no Bush Jr, if we just ignore him then its all the democrats fault, yeah. You are still in the position of endorsing trump by going against the democratic nominee, there is literally no question he will get you closer to where you want to be then trump would, but you seem not to see that. Again, you are just focused on getting exactly what you want without thinking about the consequences of losing. The supreme court is to important to give trump another appointee and there is no question he will get another if he wins.

I can blame Democrats for all the things they did. Like Clinton and Obama. And I worry who Biden would appoint if he won. So I'm going to try and get neither to win. But it's really hard when people vote on their fears.

The ACA was worlds better then what we had which was nothing, it had problems and was no medicare for all, but it was so much better then the jack squat we had before. If you paid attention you would know how hard it was just to get the ACA passed and even with how they did, it looks like it might be on borrowed time because of the republicans. We also got gay marriage because of Obama. Roe V Wade was going nowhere under the democrats, now its looking really like that is going to go away because of the supreme court nominees trump made, even if Biden didn't like it, there wasn't much he could do about it since its one of the things the democratic party likes.

ACA is a right wing authoritarian policy with some incidentals to help some poor people sometimes. It also screwed over a few other people, but details. And Democrats held the cards at the time, theoretically. But because they are obsessed with compromising down to Republicans, they start from right wing positions and then go further right. They keep doing this and show no signs of stopping.

I told you before, I don't support the democratic party, I support the not republican party

If only you actually did. But you're supporting the Republican party of yesteryear. The Democrats keep moving right forcing the Republicans even further into crazy right.

And Trump's figured out how to look like he's going left of the Democrats and while hilarious, is a disturbing sign for your "not Republican party". As for me, I disagree with the Democrats on just about everything, so I see no reason to vote for them. And I will continue to do so until either they do represent me or they die off so the party that does represent me takes the place of "the other party", just like how the Democrats replaced the party before them.

 

[Smithnikov]

Wellp, Trump just got himself 4 more years. Better start getting numb early to that fact.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

I wonder if the old tweet embed still works?

 

[Worgen]

I can blame Democrats for all the things they did. Like Clinton and Obama. And I worry who Biden would appoint if he won. So I'm going to try and get neither to win. But it's really hard when people vote on their fears.

ACA is a right wing authoritarian policy with some incidentals to help some poor people sometimes. It also screwed over a few other people, but details. And Democrats held the cards at the time, theoretically. But because they are obsessed with compromising down to Republicans, they start from right wing positions and then go further right. They keep doing this and show no signs of stopping.

If only you actually did. But you're supporting the Republican party of yesteryear. The Democrats keep moving right forcing the Republicans even further into crazy right.

And Trump's figured out how to look like he's going left of the Democrats and while hilarious, is a disturbing sign for your "not Republican party". As for me, I disagree with the Democrats on just about everything, so I see no reason to vote for them. And I will continue to do so until either they do represent me or they die off so the party that does represent me takes the place of "the other party", just like how the Democrats replaced the party before them.

Talking to you is pointless since you seem determined to not understand what is at stake and just complain. So I hope your total surrender goes well for you.