Because the election against Trump is fought over by the entire US electorate, not by Democratic Party members.
Biden clenches the nomination.
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Then why has Bernie lost twice and against the most hated politician in the country? Like, seriously they have been doing attacks on Hillary since the 90s and Bernie still couldn't win.
Maybe the better question is, "Why did the most hated politician win, and who thought that would be a good idea for the general election?"
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We cannot use precedent to predict the outcome when it was unprecedented to begin with. Yes, sitting presidents usually get a second term, but presidents also usually get the popular vote.
I too wonder how Trump is President.
But again, this is what I am sick and tired of. If Biden/Hillary is the worst and most hated, why did Trump get less votes? Like I said, if people want to claim Biden won't become President, sure, it is possible, but it is not because people like Trump or Bernie more, cause both have been proven false.
That is not what they have been arguing though. They are going with the myth that Hillary was less popular than Trump and that Biden is less popular than Bernie.
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Whats your point? "I had tried to search out any other evidence of internal corruption that would show that the DNC was rigging the system to throw the primary to Hillary, but I could not find any in party affairs or among the staff. I had gone department by department, investigating individual conduct for evidence of skewed decisions, and I was happy to see that I had found none. Then I found this agreement.
The funding arrangement with HFA and the victory fund agreement was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical. If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity."
That's not great but it also doesn't really show that she won by corrupt means, just unethical and Bernie wasn't popular enough for him to matter and he still isn't.
If you see that a candidate being able to buy and control the national Democratic Party apparatus and coerce 99% of the money given to the state level party branches (effectively controlling them too), a year before the candidacy is decided, just by having money and rich friends, and what you said is your conclusion, you're the one who's given up on democracy in your party in favor of accepting whatever your elites decide for you.
1. Where your money is, there your heart is also. Hillary controlled the parties money, so Hillary controlled the party before the election had even started. By comparison, her two rivals were completely unknown before the election started. This propagates the corporate plutocracy in place. This matters, because
2. The system WAS rigged against bernie. The democratic party used super delegates. Super delegates have enormous power, but are not chosen by the voting public. They are instead chosen by the establishment, who we already stated have a vested monetary interest in supporting clinton. But the establishment went beyond even this, as they worked tirelessly to undermine bernie at every turn. Which we know, because
3. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chair of the Democratic National Committee, was forced to resign in disgrace after her emails leaked, revealing that she was working to get clinton elected, even though she was in charge of running the primary in the first place. She was promptly hired by clinton. She was controlled by clinton. And clinton was controlled by
4. Corporations and the 1%. Hillary and Bill were often paid hundreds of thousands, and even millions, to give speeches and make appearances over the years. Millions that they used to help gain control of the democratic party. Money paid by wealthy corporations and billionaires. Was this money paid to her because she was such a great and motivational speaker? There can be no doubt that her time would be expensive, given her experience and high political standing. But no, not to the degree that she was being paid. She was being paid this money because these companies and individuals wanted to have influence over her, which they had. Which we know because of
5. Wikileaks. Hate them. Denounce them. Say that they were russian agents. The emails they released were real. They wouldn't have revealed corruption if there was no corruption. She is solely responsible for what happened. Nobody else. Which means that she wrecked her own campaign through years of corruption.
Hillary lost in part because they got cocky. They were told she had it 98.5% in the bag. Why drag yourself out to the polls for someone you don't really even like if she is supposed to win anyway? Trump supporters need to remember that or Biden walks away with it because you thought Trump a shoe in. Trump cannot win if you do not vote.
Hillary hamstringing the Democrat party to get herself on the ballot and then throwing it away to Donald Fucking Trump is a well established fact at this point. And I give Biden the same chance at winning as Hillary did, a coin flip.
Biden can beat Bernie because old people come out to support him in force, in neighborhoods not subject to voter suppression combined with the fact that old people are in a better position to vote, not having to risk getting fired to do so. Bernie meanwhile is popular with everyone else, who are more likely to vote in a general election than a primary.
The Democrats plan is to shoot themselves in the foot so a corporatist wins in November, they don't really care who.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Corporate democrats would rather get 4 more years of Trump than risk Bernie winning. So Biden is the safe "We tried guys, oh well" candidate set up to lose so the rich can postpone actual changes another term.
Neither does rolling over and admitting defeat by subjecting Biden to the election, but hey Democrats aren't very good at helping.
This is just second verse same as the first.
Because of Obama I was insured when I had to go to the hospital when I got really sick.
With complete sincerity I say, Thanks Obama!
Obama is the best President in any of our lifetimes, easily.
Remember 2016? Remember having this exact same conversation with me about how Hilary wasn't going to win, about how she had stolen the nomination from Bernie? About how Trump was going to win? Anyone remember those days? Anyone remember how it turned out, who ended up being right and who ended up being less than right? I can't be the only one with deja vu right now. Or maybe I'm just stuck in a temporal causality loop until I can get people to stop letting Trump win.
Because of Obama people think our medical issues were sorted out, when in fact the number of people going bankrupt due to out of control medical costs didn't decrease at all.
ACA didn't really fix anything, and that's his single "greatest" accomplishment as president. I think the only unambiguously good thing I can say about him is he legalized gay marriage. Otherwise he was a disappointing failure who did more harm than good.
With bernie out of the election, I'll probably vote for trump. He seems like the most competent option at the moment. I was impressed with how he handled the situation in Iran, and he's reacted well to the corona crisis. He's also avoided further conflict in the middle east, unlike Bush, who seemed to crave it. From a humanitarian perspective, he's the lesser of two evils, and I have to vote with my conscience.
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