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Shit, even if it IS the class card, I'm not sure that "We don't get sick time so no one should get sick time" is the way to go.

Maybe instead what people should be saying is "We ALL deserve sick time"...
While that is really obvious, it's been successfully made unpopular. Quite an achievement.
 

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Trump wasn't gonna lead a coup, Trump is a talker not a doer. Literally the first article from google searching "insurrection act trump" says you can't invoke the act to stay in power. You're as hard into this being a thing as the people that think the election was stolen.



People are horrible at managing money and you should be able to EASILY afford missing a day of pay here and there, you shouldn't need to live paycheck to paycheck even with a rather low paying job. My one friend last month was complaining that her job screwed her over by giving her all these hours one paycheck, then they gave her several days off to compensate for the long string of days she had to work in a row and she was mad because her next paycheck was gonna be less. I was immediately like how'd they screw you over, you're in essence getting the same amount of money over that period as if you worked normal weeks the whole time? She's just bad at managing money.
In fact, due to overtime pay they'd be giving her more money. Her next paycheck would be less yes, but her previous paycheck would more than close the gap by being significantly more.
 

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In fact, due to overtime pay they'd be giving her more money. Her next paycheck would be less yes, but her previous paycheck would more than close the gap by being significantly more.
I suspect that one objection was that an overloaded pay also means lots of extra tax to be paid since large lump sums trigger an almost Pavlovian response in taxation authorities. Having overtime spread out means The Man takes less of it.
 

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It's sad that "the richest" country in the world can't afford to give it's people paid vacation or sick leave. When many poorer countries can. I enjoy my almost two months of paid sick leave, which I haven't needed a single day in last 3 years. Because it forces companies to actually put the well being of their employees first.
 

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It's sad that "the richest" country in the world can't afford to give it's people paid vacation or sick leave. When many poorer countries can. I enjoy my almost two months of paid sick leave, which I haven't needed a single day in last 3 years. Because it forces companies to actually put the well being of their employees first.
Many decades ago, the USA was a pioneer, leading the western world in progress and equality and quality of life. Then while they were coasting on their laurels, the corporations and goverment collaborated to quietly strip away at that while lining their pockets.

These days the USA is at best a very rich second world country, who regularly tells themselves and eveyone else they're the pinnacle of the world. While ignoring it's issues with poverty, quality of life, education, health, etc. (Yes, these issues exist in many places, but at those levels within a country that claims to be first world? No.)
 
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Our statutory sick pay may be pretty dismal, but at least we get it.
Stat sick is balls and in no way a livable amount, but the last place I worked would give up to six months full sick (obv. with proper sign-off) before it kicked someone to statutory. Guess it's the same as everything else: people will rail against sick pay until they're the one with cancer.
 

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You really should have watched the Jan 6th hearings. They had testimony from the aids there that day that Trump tried to steal a car to drive to the capitol to lead the Coup in person.
I mean you're just 100% wrong. Your entire take is mistaken.
Quickly looking into that, those allegations of Trump have been disputed by the Secret Service. Even if everything you said is true and that's exactly how it did happen in the car, you think a 70 year old man is gonna overtake several Secret Service agents in a car so much so that he'd actually be able to dispatch/subdue them and be able drive wherever? The most likely scenarios are that they subdue Trump or Trump causes the car to crash. Your entire take is assuming normal life is akin to an action movie where anyone can just turn into Liam Nesson from Taken or Bob Odenkirk from Nobody. You're acting like overthrowing the US government came within a whisker of actually happening, that's so far from the truth it ain't even funny.

"Can't" based on what, exactly? Because remember that in the same post, Trump called for Constitutional rights to be suspended. So he's not actually expecting the law as it is to allow him to do it-- he wants the law and Constitution overruled.
That's what a law professor said in the 1st article I found...


I suspect that one objection was that an overloaded pay also means lots of extra tax to be paid since large lump sums trigger an almost Pavlovian response in taxation authorities. Having overtime spread out means The Man takes less of it.
In my example from which this started; yes, you do get taxed more on overtime pay but you also do net more money than if you were working those same hours on normal pay and tax. My friend's complaint about not having enough money for bills because her one paycheck was overloaded was not caused by her having any less money than she would have normally had. She merely just spent too much from the overloaded paycheck.
 

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That's what a law professor said in the 1st article I found...
Well there you go: you're relying on law. But Trump said he wanted the law to be suspended to have himself reinstalled.

That's a gross misunderstanding of the word conservative.
Yet, it would seem to be what the 'conservative' parties on both sides of the pond are pushing for.
 
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You really should have watched the Jan 6th hearings. They made it clear that yes, the President of the United States showing up to lead an armed mob in attempting to stop the certification of the national election easily could have succeeded. The capitol police would have stood down.
Its not Trump's age, it was his rank.
Seriously I get that you don't want to know what happened that day, but that's not a handicap the rest of us choose to live by.
 

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You really should have watched the Jan 6th hearings. They made it clear that yes, the President of the United States showing up to lead an armed mob in attempting to stop the certification of the national election easily could have succeeded. The capitol police would have stood down.
Its not Trump's age, it was his rank.
Seriously I get that you don't want to know what happened that day, but that's not a handicap the rest of us choose to live by.
Can you show evidence that the Capitol Police would have stood down and allowed a coup to take place just because Trump was present?

If a coup was that close to succeeding, with military supporting it, the Capitol Police a hairsbreadth form accepting it and everyone else who was in on it, how could it fail so easily?
Why didn’t the mob have better weapons or tactics?
If ‘the military’ were supporting the coup, why didn’t they have soldiers (in civilian garb) mixed in with the mob to help?
If the coup was that well planned and widely supported, why was it left in the hands of a bunch of untrained, uncoordinated civilian dumb-asses?
 

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Quickly looking into that, those allegations of Trump have been disputed by the Secret Service. Even if everything you said is true and that's exactly how it did happen in the car, you think a 70 year old man is gonna overtake several Secret Service agents in a car so much so that he'd actually be able to dispatch/subdue them and be able drive wherever? The most likely scenarios are that they subdue Trump or Trump causes the car to crash. Your entire take is assuming normal life is akin to an action movie where anyone can just turn into Liam Nesson from Taken or Bob Odenkirk from Nobody. You're acting like overthrowing the US government came within a whisker of actually happening, that's so far from the truth it ain't even funny.
It shows his clear intention.
He will try again.
 

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Well there you go: you're relying on law. But Trump said he wanted the law to be suspended to have himself reinstalled.
If it's so easy to do, why didn't Trump do it or any past power hungry president?

You really should have watched the Jan 6th hearings. They made it clear that yes, the President of the United States showing up to lead an armed mob in attempting to stop the certification of the national election easily could have succeeded. The capitol police would have stood down.
Its not Trump's age, it was his rank.
Seriously I get that you don't want to know what happened that day, but that's not a handicap the rest of us choose to live by.
You've made no argument that makes logical sense, you keep jumping to all these illogical conclusions. If what you said (and what the one agent said) did actually happen, then why didn't the Secret Service stand down if the president can merely do that based on rank alone? They literally told him "nope" basically but you're saying rank alone would stop that from happening, and it did not happen. And if they just decided to be heroes and ignored rank, you think Trump wouldn't have b!tched about that endlessly complaining that the people around him wouldn't follow presidential orders and have them put on trial for that and all that? That's the kinda thing Trump would actually do and love to do in fact. Trump is like the kinda type of villain in a movie that never does any of the actual dirty work and has someone else do everything, him leading a coup just doesn't fit his character at all. Why are they an armed mob now? Outside of probably a few people with guns, you're acting like there was a full blown armed militia invading the Capitol when the vast majority of people there just wandered in and took selfies. The whole thing came off as the Joker quote from The Dark Knight "I'm like a dog chasing cars, I wouldn't know what to do if I caught one", the mob didn't really know what to do with actually getting in the Capitol after they got in (yet you're saying they're like Hydra and have all these contacts and inside info). And why is Trump not being there the thing that makes the people with guns not use said guns? They would just jump to the conclusion that Trump wants to be here and he's being held against his will (how are you gonna say right wing nuts wouldn't think that?) , so I don't see how Trump's appearance or absence would really change much besides the optics. And so what if they stopped the certification that day, they would've just done it the day after then. You're acting like certification is done on a solar eclipse when the planets are all aligned and if you stop it then, it can't be done for another year or something.


It shows his clear intention.
He will try again.
You mean his clear intention was to act like a baby for like less than a minute? Because if I was in that mental state you think Trump is in (must be president and do everything possible to be president), then I would've seen this January 6th thing as my best shot to continue being president and did far more than just say "I'm the fucking president, take me to the Capitol" and half-heartedly tried to grab the wheel. That's exactly what a kid does over a thing that they don't really want but act like they actually want to see if that would fly vs actually being dedicated and continuing a tantrum. If I was Trump in that state, I would've then at least forced the Secret Service to subdue me or probably crashed the car trying to take it over as taking it over myself would be well under a 1% chance.
 
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If it's so easy to do, why didn't Trump do it or any past power hungry president?


You've made no argument that makes logical sense, you keep jumping to all these illogical conclusions. If what you said (and what the one agent said) did actually happen, then why didn't the Secret Service stand down if the president can merely do that based on rank alone? They literally told him "nope" basically but you're saying rank alone would stop that from happening, and it did not happen. And if they just decided to be heroes and ignored rank, you think Trump wouldn't have b!tched about that endlessly complaining that the people around him wouldn't follow presidential orders and have them put on trial for that and all that? That's the kinda thing Trump would actually do and love to do in fact. Trump is like the kinda type of villain in a movie that never does any of the actual dirty work and has someone else do everything, him leading a coup just doesn't fit his character at all. Why are they an armed mob now? Outside of probably a few people with guns, you're acting like there was a full blown armed militia invading the Capitol when the vast majority of people there just wandered in and took selfies. And why is Trump not being there the thing that makes the people with guns not use said guns? They would just jump to the conclusion that Trump wants to be here and he's being held against his will (how are you gonna say right wing nuts wouldn't think that?) , so I don't see how Trump's appearance or absence would really change much besides the optics. And so what if they stopped the certification that day, they would've just done it the day after then. You're acting like certification is done on a solar eclipse when the planets are all aligned and if you stop it then, it can't be done for another year or something.



You mean his clear intention was to act like a baby for like less than a minute? Because if I was in that mental state you think Trump is in (must be president and do everything possible to be president), then I would've seen this January 6th thing as my best shot to continue being president and did far more than just say "I'm the fucking president, take me to the Capitol" and half-heartedly tried to grab the wheel. That's exactly what a kid does over a thing that really don't want but act like they actually want to see if that would fly vs actually being dedicated and continuing a tantrum. If I was Trump in that state, I would've then at least forced the Secret Service to subdue me or probably crashed the car trying to take it over as taking it over myself would be well under a 1% chance.
So, just a harmless old man, nothing to be concerned about or take pro-active action against future attempts, everything is totally normal?
 

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If it's so easy to do, why didn't Trump do it or any past power hungry president?
Its not "so easy to do"; it requires cooperation from party, state, law enforcement and military.

It hasn't happened before because both main parties have had a baseline level of commitment to democratic and legal standards. That's breaking down: one of the two main parties has put forward hundreds of candidates who deny the last election, for the first time in American history.

But past presidents have indeed overruled the law. Its happened quite frequently. Recall Richard Nixon responding to Frost: "When the President does it, that means its not illegal".
 
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So, just a harmless old man, nothing to be concerned about or take pro-active action against future attempts, everything is totally normal?
You do know that it doesn’t have to be one extreme or the other, right?

There are steps/grades between super genius Bond villain overlord and feeble old coot.
 
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These days the USA is at best a very rich second world country...
I'm not saying that you're using this phrase wrong, as words changed meaning over time and first, second, third world are not used the way they originally were, but the fun irony of this sentence is that "second world" originally referred to the communist bloc.