Big Boobs- why do people complain?
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I try to take everything on a case by case basis, and in most cases where I see big-breasted women in video games, it just comes off as silly to me. Depending on the game, that could be their intent and kudos for them for that. But like others have said, if I'm supposed to take a character seriously, either as a focus for drama or badassery, the jiggle physics take away from that for me.
Then there's the realism factor, which again depends on the game. One thing in the "realism" category that's always bothered me was how video game vixens' breasts bounced along like they had a bra shortage, but when they were knocked to the ground, the boobs retained their perfectly spherical shape. They don't smoosh into the body when a video game character's on her back, or angle when they roll onto their side. Having my own pair of breasts, I know they have a noticeable habit of moving around and changing shape depending on how you're laying/sitting/standing. But in video games, gravity only seems to apply to a woman's chest when it comes to titillation, not being realistic about how the breast moves in relation to your actions.
Then there's the realism factor, which again depends on the game. One thing in the "realism" category that's always bothered me was how video game vixens' breasts bounced along like they had a bra shortage, but when they were knocked to the ground, the boobs retained their perfectly spherical shape. They don't smoosh into the body when a video game character's on her back, or angle when they roll onto their side. Having my own pair of breasts, I know they have a noticeable habit of moving around and changing shape depending on how you're laying/sitting/standing. But in video games, gravity only seems to apply to a woman's chest when it comes to titillation, not being realistic about how the breast moves in relation to your actions.
Actually, my point on number 3 is "Therefore, big boobs are not necessarily bad." My argument refutes the idea that things which are used to draw attention away from bad game design are inherently bad, I did not argue that big boobs are universally a good idea, and I even outright stated that putting big boobs on a female character is often a bad idea.Carlos Alexandre said:
I think the most interesting question is how effective big boobs are/aren't. Totally impossible, but it would be great if a company released two games that were the same except for the size of breasts in the game. And they would have on the cover either "Big Boob Version" and "Average Boob Version." Then we check sales and demographics.
For me personally, I find there's a huge difference between characters sexualized unrealistically and those sexualized realistically. I don't think there's anything wrong with sometimes using realistically sexualized characters as a selling point for a game.
For me personally, I find there's a huge difference between characters sexualized unrealistically and those sexualized realistically. I don't think there's anything wrong with sometimes using realistically sexualized characters as a selling point for a game.
Text adventure games are arguably modern, in the sense that new ones are still being made. Have you ever played Echo Bazaar? And my point was simply that traits which some designers use as a crutch are not bad in themselves, it is rather the tendency to try to make a game stand on one trait which prevents it from being good.Bocaj2000 said:
Sometimes it just gets so ridiculous it's disgusting (i.e. the bizarre anti-gravity breast physics in Ninja Gaiden), but otherwise it isn't really much of an issue, especially compared to problems of characterization.
I would, however, like to point that fan service for women absolutely does exist in games (it's the foundation of the entire Sengoku Basara series, for example) and not all attractive male characters exist to appeal to men (you see a lot of this in JRPGs). Unfortunately, a lot of games that are big on this sort of thing never leave Japan, so they get left out of these arguments.
I would, however, like to point that fan service for women absolutely does exist in games (it's the foundation of the entire Sengoku Basara series, for example) and not all attractive male characters exist to appeal to men (you see a lot of this in JRPGs). Unfortunately, a lot of games that are big on this sort of thing never leave Japan, so they get left out of these arguments.
I only complain when they're absurdly huge, like say, you can't figure out how they manage to stand up with so much weight in the front. You'd think it'd be impossible to stay balanced.
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Slim pickings for me, since I'm late to the thread, good points have been raised. I think they're worth repeating. up above.gl1koz3 said:
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As for me, well you'd never be able to perform the physical maneuvers theses action girls do with large, heavy breasts, so it takes me out of the game somewhat. I mean, I'm willing to overlook this once, but every time, in every game (almost), the EXTREMELY buxom women jump 15 ft into the air and do aerials; it's getting ridiculous. Theres only one game to my knowledge that features an action girl with breasts that wouldn't get in the way. yep... its Mirror's Edge.
I can see some "double standards" issues being raised by the peanut gallery with the above. Having giant burly men doing similar feats, and such. But you never see any giant fat men doing those. Why? Because fat's dead weight in the acrobatics game.
I agree, except on point 2, because intelligence isnt a completely genetic trait. In fact, it is far more likely to be an environmentally aquired thing, more than being born with a preset intelligence. Although it may be true that genetically, some people may have a certain disposition towards intelligence, it doesnt strictly mean that the person will HAVE above average smarts.
Also, having large boobs is NOT abnormality. Its uncommon to have HUGE breasts, but it still wouldnt be classed as abnormal. Abnormal implies that something has gone wrong, and there are very few cases when this is so. More often than not its just down to luck (or bad luck) what size someones boobs are. Because the genes that will determine the size are random (producing whatever hormone determines such things) is random, meaning you may have larger or smaller breasts than the mother. That DOESNT mean that there is a problem. Like i said: luck (or bad luck).
But yeah, apart from that i agree with you. I have absolutely no problem, although i cant say i notice much. Unless its really in-your-face, like Ivy from soul calibur...
I would just like to add that, in some cases, size may well be an abnormality. Buts thats like J sizes, and thats not too common.
Also, having large boobs is NOT abnormality. Its uncommon to have HUGE breasts, but it still wouldnt be classed as abnormal. Abnormal implies that something has gone wrong, and there are very few cases when this is so. More often than not its just down to luck (or bad luck) what size someones boobs are. Because the genes that will determine the size are random (producing whatever hormone determines such things) is random, meaning you may have larger or smaller breasts than the mother. That DOESNT mean that there is a problem. Like i said: luck (or bad luck).
But yeah, apart from that i agree with you. I have absolutely no problem, although i cant say i notice much. Unless its really in-your-face, like Ivy from soul calibur...
I would just like to add that, in some cases, size may well be an abnormality. Buts thats like J sizes, and thats not too common.
You know why I hate large breasts in games?
One time, while playing Tomb Raider, I finally managed to get through a ridiculous section of traps, only to get killed at the very end of it by getting a poison dart through the jugs.
Seriously, I would have survived that run if it wasn't for the damned breasts that stick out about two thirds of a foot in front of her.
That doesn't count the amount of times I've had Lara die from having spiked ceilings lowered right in front of her (thus ripping her boobs off), having a boulder barely miss her (but squashing her boobs anyways), or a rather hilarious sequence where she got a fatal nipple piercing by the SAME ARROW TRAP three times in a row. Seriously, Lara, get a breast reduction.
Also, excessively large breasts lower my ability to relate to the character, because I've only known one girl with unusually large breasts. It breaks immersion, because my first thought is "Wow, those are defying gravity."
One time, while playing Tomb Raider, I finally managed to get through a ridiculous section of traps, only to get killed at the very end of it by getting a poison dart through the jugs.
Seriously, I would have survived that run if it wasn't for the damned breasts that stick out about two thirds of a foot in front of her.
That doesn't count the amount of times I've had Lara die from having spiked ceilings lowered right in front of her (thus ripping her boobs off), having a boulder barely miss her (but squashing her boobs anyways), or a rather hilarious sequence where she got a fatal nipple piercing by the SAME ARROW TRAP three times in a row. Seriously, Lara, get a breast reduction.
Also, excessively large breasts lower my ability to relate to the character, because I've only known one girl with unusually large breasts. It breaks immersion, because my first thought is "Wow, those are defying gravity."
This is quite true, intelligence is largely a product of emotional maturity, logic skills, and a tendency to analyze things rather than making assumptions, which are all things you can be taught to do, or influenced to not do, based on your environment.Jacob Haggarty said:
On the other hand, as far as fictional characters go, you have characters like Reed Richards' daughter Valeria and Agatha Heterodyne who go way beyond basic logic skills.
Good call, that's a important distinction. It stretches plausibility to near broken but in theory, all the women a character interacts with could happen to have large/huge breasts. We'd be probably be talking about well under a 1% chance.Jacob Haggarty said:
because it undermines the seriousness of the art form, if all paintings of women had huge knockers female portraits would never have reached the heights of the mona lisa. Plus it is just plain embarrassing trying to explain my passion for gaming when a juvenile representation of a woman is on the box art, i'm a grown man and am too old to be impressed by boobie physics
Cuz they not gettin any? ... No its because games glorify muscles and boob- yes sweet boobies.... where was I? Right, and people think that staring at the oh so awesome rack is not really art ( and it prolly isn't) but who gives a shit? Also half the feminists I know (not all goddamn it, just half) are flat chested... Coincidence? I think not!
Its an unhealthy portrayal of women. But I really could care less. Who wants to see a women with a 10 year olds chest?... Damn you pedophiles!
Its an unhealthy portrayal of women. But I really could care less. Who wants to see a women with a 10 year olds chest?... Damn you pedophiles!
