Bioware forums explode as Mass Effect 3 ending details are leaked. *MINOR SPOILERS*

[DirgeNovak]

*Le snip*
Have either of you read the ending spoilers? I don't know what your definition of sweet is, but there is nothing in there that is sweet. Well, except saving the galaxy, which we all knew was going to happen.

That is exactly my definition of bittersweet. From the little bit of spoiler that I read,

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The galaxy is saved from the Reapers at the expense of the galactic community's way of life.

Compare that to FFX:

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Spira is rid of Sin forever, but Yuna lost her lover

or Infamous 2:

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The world is saved from destruction, but all Conduits die in the process, Cole included

Something good happens (i.e. saved the world, blahdiblah) at the expense of something the characters hold dear (i.e. their life, someone else's, or whatever happens in ME3)

One game that last less than 10 or so hours (I don't know) versus over 100 hours over 3 games over 5 years? Big difference, buddy.

How so? To me, it makes my point even stronger; spending a hundred hours of my life for a cookie-cutter "and they lived happily ever after" ending? I'll pass.

 

[Westaway]

I wish I didn't read the vague spoiler. I've never been that interested in the series, but now that the third is coming out I figured I would pick up the inevitable combo pack and go through them this summer. But it might seem a bit pointless..

 

[mattttherman3]

I said to myself, don't you open that thread, but I did, and I am kinda worried, but frankly it would be unrealistic to expect no casualties, HOWEVER this thing about your decisions in the last two games not making a difference, if that is the case, I will have a problem. I have spent well over 150 hours on the last 2 games making different decisions because BioWare said that they would affect ME3, they better one way or the other, or I will be PISSED. Also, this is why you don't give out advance copies.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Yes because choices that affect your war assets don't affect the game?

not sure if serious?

I have read the leaked script, and read the war assets list, I can confirm for a fact that many decision have affect in ME3


Balek from Bring Down the Sky comes back, should he be alive.
The Prothean Sphere from firewalker does things
Overlord can augmet you fleet in diffrent ways depending on what choice you made
Keeping/destroying the collector base
etc. etc.

 

[Simskiller]

Depressing like inFAMOUS 2 good ending or depressing like Resistance 2 ending?

Basically, Bioware copies Warhammer 40k.

I mean REALLY? You fucking copy an IP that's been around for DECADES?! And a chapter of its history that everyone knows?

Is Bioware that bad at writing it has to copy paste an entire landmark of another IP's story?

I dunno, you can read it for yourself and come to the final conclusion if you want


THIS IS A SPOILER LINK, IF YOU DONT WANT THE ENDING SPOILED DONT CLICK ON IT!
http://pastebin.com/dUiLznSD

Woooow that's bullshit.

 

[Omnific One]

[snip]

Mass Effect 3, on the other hand...just completely destroys everything you worked for. What the fuck...

The most massive betrayal in the history of gaming, yeah.

 

[Savber]

[snip]

Mass Effect 3, on the other hand...just completely destroys everything you worked for. What the fuck...

The most massive betrayal in the history of gaming, yeah.

Bahahaha...

This is just too much... x)

Just exactly how old are most Bioware fans? 15? 12?

It's pathetic that when Bioware gives us a realistic, mature ending in which loss is loss and not some happy duper ending where the status quo is restored, we continue to whine like children.

Any happy ending will insult the threat of the Reapers, the sacrifice required, and the choices made.

The endings helps prevent Mass Effect 3 from being a Paragon=Happy and Renegade=Beeped over.

Sacrifice is everything. How is it sacrifice when Shepard can always "choose" or fight his way out of a situation?

Do people honestly thought the game will end with Shepard standing over some rising sun, basking in the glory when we've been told a BAZILLION time of the Reaper threat?

 

[boag]

[DISCLAIMER: I have not read nor will I read the actual spoilers, I only read the OP]
I don't want a strictly happy ending anyway. To me the best endings are either bittersweet (like Infamous 2's good ending or Final Fantasy X if you pretend FFX-2 never happened) or straight up depressing (like Dexter seasons four and five or Heavy Rain if you fail to save Shaun). Those endings leave a mark on you and you remember them forever.

If my Mass Effect 3 ends in a similar way, I'll be very happy. If the game doesn't allow you to have a perfectly happy ending, I will respect BioWare a lot for it. You can't tell a story like this without any heartbreak.

It's not bittersweet; they are bitter. All of them.

Generalizations are bad, stop using them.

[DISCLAIMER: I have not read nor will I read the actual spoilers, I only read the OP]
I don't want a strictly happy ending anyway. To me the best endings are either bittersweet (like Infamous 2's good ending or Final Fantasy X if you pretend FFX-2 never happened) or straight up depressing (like Dexter seasons four and five or Heavy Rain if you fail to save Shaun). Those endings leave a mark on you and you remember them forever.

If my Mass Effect 3 ends in a similar way, I'll be very happy. If the game doesn't allow you to have a perfectly happy ending, I will respect BioWare a lot for it. You can't tell a story like this without any heartbreak.

It's not bittersweet; they are bitter. All of them.

You clearly don't know what the term bittersweet means.


As far as I'm concerned, any ending that doesn't involve my matter being pumped through tubes and used to make a giant death machine is "sweet" to me.

Have either of you read the ending spoilers? I don't know what your definition of sweet is, but there is nothing in there that is sweet. Well, except saving the galaxy, which we all knew was going to happen.

well most of the Endings are bitter, I agree, but at least one has the possibility of not completely sucking balls, but regardless the reason I said Generalizations are bad, is because they are, thats all, no hidden meanings, I just dont like Generalizations.

 

[Dandark]

The Bioware forums. Things are happening to it now which should not be talked about. Luckily I have found an image that accurately depicts the current state of the Bioware fanbase

Spoiler: The Bioware fanbase

They seem to be in the middle of a war.

SPOILERS FOR THE SPOILER GOD

BANS FOR THE BAN THRONE

CHAOS SCUM!!!
FOR THE GOD MODERATOR!!!!

 

[spacemutant IV]

I find it funny how people believe that they should have the right to dictate their favourite authors/filmmakers/videogame designers how their stories have to look like, and how they should end. This really happens throughout all the mediums: 'It's Biowares own fault that we will force them into providing a DLC fix for this.' Or, 'it's Kurt Sutters own fault if we stop watching Sons of Anarchy, he better fix up those characters and story arcs or we will all leave him!' Fans stomping their feet on the ground because they think they have a right to demand anything: cute, very cute.

The truth is as it should be: you can't tell the authors how to handle their shit. You have two options: to buy, or not to buy. I guess people know this, and even accept it, to some extent; hence OP grasping for straws by bringing EA into this, the fucking publisher. How far will they go to alienate their fans?! EA probably has a word about launch day DLC, and other crap, but they sure as hell didn't march into the Bioware studios and demand a bitter ending for the game. The only reason EA was mentioned here was because it's pretty much established that EA is evil, and if I blame evil people for things I dislike, then I will always 100% be right, and it will give legitimacy to my inane concerns, right? Right? Bullshit.

On the one hand, people want videogames to be accepted as an art form. On the other hand, threads like this one. People nerd-raging because their new game isn't just happy escapism with a nice ending that will leave them feeling good about themselves and the world, and make them forget about the bullshit that is going on outside of the safe confines of their parents basements. Grow the fuck up. This situation is treated like the warp core exploded and the enterprise got destroyed, but it wasn't part of the plan and it doesn't make sense, therefore it must have happened by accident. Surely Bioware could only do this to their fans because they didn't know the right way, because it wasn't shown to them. Let's teach them a lesson about what we really want. But have those nerds ever considered that maybe the emotional response to this is not an accident, but exactly what the writers wanted to accomplish? Art, as well as reality, isn't just here to entertain us, and give us what we want all of the time. Sometimes it wants to slap us in the face and make us feel something different, stir things up. They well succeeded with this one.

 

[PingoBlack]

Thing, I fucking love the idea. This has impact, this has a long-lasting effect on the game universe, this makes the characters learn new things. Isn't that the whole point of storytelling?

You are right about long lasting effect:

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- Without mass relays no single race or faction, even the fancy highly advanced races with large fleets and multi-planet economies now CANNOT reach next closest star. No possible way according to EZ tech. All space travel is limited to inter-system, travel between stars can only be done at sub-light speed for most part.
- Their economies, designed around galactic trade, spiral into nothingness and only the very few completely self sufficient colonies have a fighting chance. Provided of course, they are so large they manufacture and produce all they need, including tech spare parts and food.
- Development of mass relays is possible, but to place a pair of them, you would have to send a ship to next star INERTIALY. So even with technology in place, mass relay network could not be build in time before all that are not self sufficient and genetical diverse enough die out.

So ... If we let reapers eat everything, galaxy rebounds. If we don't let them win, we ruin everything for more than next 50000 years.
Nice choice.

Provided Rachni were saved by Cmd. Shep in ME1 they are the clear winner. Hive society that by all our knowledge does not need mass relays to survive. Of course, BioWare already forgot about them before ME2 even, so ...

Spiderverse!

 

[Bat Vader]

I am going to wait until I have finished Mass Effect 3 to judge it and the endings. While it may not look good on paper, it may look better when presented in game. Plus, Bioware did state to keep our Mass Effect 3 save games. They could very well add post end game content.

 

[Quellist]

But seriously guys who plays Mass effect for the story am I right?

Oldschool Bioware fans, well those who unlike me, can put up with the crappy FPS the series became anyway.

I'm hoping you knew it was a joke and I was joking. Otherwise this place is getting way to serious.

Pretty much but the thing is ME is now pretty much an FPS with a story and how many FPS fans care about the story? so joke or not its kind of a valid point.

For my 2 cents, though i'm not going near ME3 unless i can get a cheap secondhand one in 6 months time, i think giving the series a downer ending is actually a pretty courageous move, not the least because it cuts out the possibility of sequels.

Thats why i fully expect 'Epilogue' DLC that sets things up for more games in the ME universe

 

[Valok]

Hahahahaha...

And I was about to start a Renegade playthrough to work on different choices, Ty OP for saving me that time (and money).

Back to Wargame Escalation

 

[Frankster]

Me3 really is the hot topic of the moment, then again I only found out it's coming next week.

Can't say this news particularly affects me either way. Don't understand why it's caused such a fuss besides that people really wanted a positive ending I guess.

Edit: Changed my mind now that I saw a bit more what the endings entailed. There's still the rogue element of a possible new game+ ending that's been hinted at but that there isn't a really bad ending where the Reapers win due to you failing certain events is what makes me

So really doesn't matter how poor you do, the reapers will be beat and there is no way of fucking it all up and letting the universe get conquered.

Now that genuinely annoys me more then the lack of a real happy ending.