Black Ops rage... welcome to the next year of your life.
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MiracleOfSound said:
I'm not even trying to joke either, that's a fantastic change. Quickly scoping to increase accuracy isn't "realistic", it's a cheap trick and I'm glad its gone. Close range snipers pretty much only use the gun to abuse its high firepower.
Now I wonder how many "annoying" perks they've removed, the ones that made COD4 utterly intollerable at times because of the sheer amount of whining.
Noobtube?
Juggernaut?
Last stand?
Martyr?
Choppergunner? (or rather I'd really like to see killstreaks not count towards other killstreaks, it means once you get a plane the other team is permanantly dominated in outdoor maps)
*sigh* Pretty much all but about 4 perks (I've had players literally name all but 4 perks as "omfgnoobish")
Sniping isn't ruined either way, you simply now have to snipe at range instead of running up to someone, scoping then instantly killing them at point blank range.
Don't worry, you can all still abuse the broken knife mechanics, I'm sure they're in there still.
Eeeeexactly!BlueberryMUNCH said:
Although I do find quickscoping REALLY frustrating(I don't do it myself), it's how some people prefer to play so I can't complain. Though the insults/taunts are the worst part. (Not the funny banter which occasionally happens, the really annoying 12 year old spoilt brat calling everyone noobs)
Kill streaks have been taken too far I think. Now all they do is give the best players even more kills like they need them.
I suck at COD anyway so my experience of the game is spawn...spawnkilled or spawn, move, get killed by killstreak. I'm lucky to get a killstreak with all the mutants with 12 fingers that run around spraying you with smg fire, killing you instantly while you and your LMG might aswell be throwing ducks at them for all the power it has, which no sense if "realism" is the goal.
I'll get this when people start trading it in because they are dissapointed.
My predictions
imbalanced 1337 ragefest multiplayer
decent but short singleplayer
coop that isnt as good as mw2 (only thing I liked about mw2) but I hope im wrong about that.
MW1 or WAW were the best.
I traded in MW2 for Dead Rising 2 and was glad to be rid of it.
I suck at COD anyway so my experience of the game is spawn...spawnkilled or spawn, move, get killed by killstreak. I'm lucky to get a killstreak with all the mutants with 12 fingers that run around spraying you with smg fire, killing you instantly while you and your LMG might aswell be throwing ducks at them for all the power it has, which no sense if "realism" is the goal.
I'll get this when people start trading it in because they are dissapointed.
My predictions
imbalanced 1337 ragefest multiplayer
decent but short singleplayer
coop that isnt as good as mw2 (only thing I liked about mw2) but I hope im wrong about that.
MW1 or WAW were the best.
I traded in MW2 for Dead Rising 2 and was glad to be rid of it.
Yeah I never saw the issue with any of them.A Pious Cultist said:
My brother is a dedicated noobtuber (all he uses is an M4 with grenade attachment and danger close) and I would never question his skill, because I've seen him pull off some awe-inspiring shots with it.
Jug balances stopping power, why is there a problem. Painkiller was absurdly unbalanced, jug was not.
Matyrdom was the only one I could sort of see the problem, because the entire point of the perk was just to be vindictive. But that wasn't a balance issue, and more an issue that there were few perks on that tier worth not having it.
Noob tubes and last stand are both in Black OpsA Pious Cultist said:
If it were my choice I'd make the knife a secondary... I hate the panic knifing OHKs in COD.A Pious Cultist said:
Ironically you seem to be trolling the OP when he's not doing that at all.Tim Hann said:
Hell if you read his other posts he does state that he (and all of us) will have to wait till we get out hands on the game to call final judgement.
Even so, your post is so out-of-line. He's just speculating or making predictions.
That sniping change looks horrible and I'm not QQing as a quickscoper because I barely ever do it but they way I snipe is ruined. I like to watch the map out of scope(a nice HDTV and good eye-sight help with this) and watch for movement on the map then scope in and line up my shot. Now with people moving I usually don't have more than seven seconds or so to take down the target but with two to three of those being stolen by a 'no kill' wait timer that will be a massive pain in the ass. I've gotten myself over halfway through 8th prestige in MW2 doing this and more than a few of my kills come in that Black Ops 'no kill.'
Also, the M14 EBR (yes I know MW2 calls it the M21 but they're wrong) is a modified assault rifle so not being able to use it as an assault weapon seems strange to me. I'm not defending quickscoping but those arguing the realism card need to ponder that fact. Also, you can see in Black Hawk Down a sniper team using M14 EBRs like assault rifles to fend off the Somalis(I think thats what you call them), and I know its a movie but it still demonstrates my point. Last note, using a scope would be difficult at that close range but not impossible.
Lastly, I hope to got the M14 is a rifle in Black Ops. I loved it in MW and if Black Ops has it I may buy the game just for it.
Also, the M14 EBR (yes I know MW2 calls it the M21 but they're wrong) is a modified assault rifle so not being able to use it as an assault weapon seems strange to me. I'm not defending quickscoping but those arguing the realism card need to ponder that fact. Also, you can see in Black Hawk Down a sniper team using M14 EBRs like assault rifles to fend off the Somalis(I think thats what you call them), and I know its a movie but it still demonstrates my point. Last note, using a scope would be difficult at that close range but not impossible.
Lastly, I hope to got the M14 is a rifle in Black Ops. I loved it in MW and if Black Ops has it I may buy the game just for it.
My goodness.Tim Hann said:
Why are there so many rude people on this thread?
Very personal insults too. I'd be surprised if you last long on this site.
MiracleOfSound said:
I'd have to agree. Sighting my rifles quickly takes... oh a second tops for a scope. 2-3 seconds cries inexperience, and that you shouldn't be touching the damn thing in the first place. A one second "nerf" sounds much better, because in close quarters a whole second is more than enough to beat the sniper to the draw.
Maybe an "experienced sniper" perk would be better. So dedicated snipers can have their shorter aim times, and people who decide to use it for shits and giggles will be hard pressed to actually use it correctly.
As for out of scope, fixing that sounds necessary. I pulled a few rounds from my air rifle, and the spread for just firing from the hip was 1-2 feet from the mark at 20 yards. so a 3 foot circle "recticle", mainly just a spread area that the player can't see from 15 yards plus, 2 foot from 6-14 yards, and a maybe a 1 foot circle at 5 and under would be a realistic and balanced blindfiring scenario.
An incorporation to the proposed sniper perk to make the radius of possible hits shrink would also be good, because I truly had to fire from the hip to miss, after being used to my rifles. Any combat-tense sniper would be accurate at least to a half a foot less than those distances, if not close to dead on at 30 yards or under. And that's my experience as an untrained marksman, just learning the trade myself as a hobby.
I think the best solution would be to turn off the auto-aim when using a sniper rifle, but your ideas are good too. Maybe a combination.Slycne said:
As far as I know it's in the game.Shrifes said:
I also saw a vid where a guy used it in MW2 with an ACOG and used it like an assault rifle, it seemed to be pretty effective!
Well I guess you will be happy to know that the M14 will be usable in Black Ops.Shrifes said:
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This game looks exactly the same as MW2 but with different guns. Unfortunately, because it take so little time to kill people, there may as well be one gun per category. There'll only be one gun per category worth using, which is the most accurate one. And since the only categories that aren't specialised weapons are SMGs and Assault rifles, everyon will just be using the same 2 guns. Just like MW2.
Think I'll pass.
Think I'll pass.
It would seem, in my opinion, that we're going to speak like this from now on. This is an extremely tedious way to have a discussion, in my opinion, but others, in their opinion, think that we must classify our statements. In my opinion, we're really all smart enough to know the distinction between a fact and an opinion. But if this is what it takes to actually discuss the topic at hand, then this is the best way to go about things, in my opinion[footnote]Note: not actually my opinion[/footnote].