Blizzad reveals new characters for Overwatch

[EternallyBored]

Wait..."Tumblr" is supposed to hate Zarya? All I've seen is talk about how hot she is, gif sets,fan art, and porn. People are already shipping her with Tracer and cross shipping her with Heavy weapons guy. There are even people talking about creating cosplaying her.

I've seen her called ugly, and a "man with boobs" but that was here and not Tumblr, it seems to come more from the crowd that's criticizing Blizzard for pandering to their critics. Then other people who don't realize that those people are ostensibly different than the ones who made the original criticisms, lump everyone together so they can paint the original complainers as never being satisfied.

I believe the scientific term is clusterfuck.

 

[DementedSheep]

I don't usually play heavies/tanks in shooters but I might just to play her.

I don't know whether to roll my eyes or laugh at the cowboy with the cigar and BAMF on his belt although that reaction was probably what they were going for.

 

[Gengisgame]

Lol it would be a pile of BS to think otherwise, all this is not over some character people really, really like

I do respect people who like the character for the design, they are just few and far between because people do not get this many people don't get this worked up over a character design, there are actual articles about how this is good, what others like is bad.

Because it had nothing to with muscles it just shows what it was really about, it was making an unattractive female as some sort of protest, I gave examples of things people may actually want (robots, monster girls, elementals) you have made my point for me, this was simply about making it not be attractive

As you point you just wanted unattractive females despite there being plenty of diversity within that area, not interesting just unattractive. You can have unattractive if that's what you want but that should be personnel taste, not some statement against what others like.

Of course, it's easy to win a game no one else is playing.

I think she's fairly attractive to be honest. Maybe it's just the novelty of seeing a female character in a video game with actual muscles, rather than inexplicable waif strength.

So no, the point of it wasn't to make an "unattractive" character. It's to make a relatable character for someone else but the usual people. Everything is not made for you all the time and if you think she's ugly, well... That just tells me a lot about your values. Or rather, how little of a **** you give about what others like.

It seems you didn't read my post.

Look at last part, I quote "You can have unattractive if that's what you want but that should be personnel taste"

An apology would be appropriate and to associate what people like in fictional media with there how they treat people in there day to day life is crazy.

[link]http://thespectacularspider-girl.tumblr.com/post/113010314274/female-portrayals-in-video-games[/link]

Again, do you have anything to support the claim that people wanted "an unattractive character"? Because the dismissive attitude you have is frankly absolute garbage.

You don't like the character? Say so then. Don't say that others like it because it's "ugly" or dismissively claim that it exist only to be ugly.

Do you have anything to support the idea that people actually care about the design? no, just google the character and it's clearly obvious why people are going on about this design.

I still see no apologogy when I showed your attitude was uncalled for so don't be a hypocrite and call me dismissive.

Also quote where I said the design was ugly but even I did so what? you went on about not dismissing other peoples opinions right.

Actually why am I bothering, you are clearly one of those people who only reads what they want to read, twice you've said things about what I've written when they are clearly there for you to read and see otherwise.

 

[Mutant1988]

Lol it would be a pile of BS to think otherwise, all this is not over some character people really, really like

I do respect people who like the character for the design, they are just few and far between because people do not get this many people don't get this worked up over a character design, there are actual articles about how this is good, what others like is bad.

Because it had nothing to with muscles it just shows what it was really about, it was making an unattractive female as some sort of protest, I gave examples of things people may actually want (robots, monster girls, elementals) you have made my point for me, this was simply about making it not be attractive

As you point you just wanted unattractive females despite there being plenty of diversity within that area, not interesting just unattractive. You can have unattractive if that's what you want but that should be personnel taste, not some statement against what others like.

Are you expressing your own views or the views of some other vague group?

You're being dismissive in saying that this was done instead of things "people may actually want" and in saying that the character is only there to be unattractive.

That's your words. Not my interpretation.

Edit - The bbcode is completely broken. I'm putting proper tags for that but it doesn't want to show it correctly anyway.

 

[theNater]

Do you have anything to support the idea that people actually care about the design?

Well, here's a few relevant quotes:

Zarya looks pretty cool too, rocking a pretty nice looking canon and looking pretty damn intimidating.

As for Zarya, she looks good...

Thanks Blizzard, now I need a Zarya amiibo.

Seriously though a badass crowd-control tank with a lazer cannon, I'm sold. Well, at least for giving the game a fair shake anyways.

However, surprising nobody, I kinda like 'Zarya', despite not being a fan of beam weapons. (EDIT: Never mind, watched the gameplay trailer, she can use it like a grenade launcher. All is forgiven.)

Zarya looks neat.

Zarya looks awesome.

While I'll be terrible at her, Zarya's my girl. Her and Pharah look like characters I can play all day long. Them and Tracer, but almost everyone loves Tracer so that doesn't count.

They weren't that hard to find, what with being in the first dozen posts in this very thread and all.

 

[NPC009]

Wait..."Tumblr" is supposed to hate Zarya? All I've seen is talk about how hot she is, gif sets,fan art, and porn. People are already shipping her with Tracer and cross shipping her with Heavy weapons guy. There are even people talking about creating cosplaying her.

I think the divide is pretty much between people who see female characters as potential fap material (and feel insulted when characters don't live up to their standards) and the ones that just want the characters they play to look cool (and cool can mean anything from a high tech gorilla to an angelic medic).

The first group is going on about how ugly she is, man with boobs, and so on. They're bothered, because Zarya is not the type of woman they like to see and they view her as a waste of space. Her valuable slot could have gone to someone they do want to stick their (figurative) dick in. They may even feel as if she was created with the explicit purpose of pissing them off. How dare Blizzard, catering to some attention whoring feminists instead of loyal custumers!

Then there's the group that's like: Muscular woman with pink hair and some sort of gravity gun? Sure, sound fun. Always nice to see different types of characters and playstyles (even if they're Street Fighter level cliche).

And then there's a smaller group that does consider Zarya fap material and they're the ones drawing porn.

 

[EternallyBored]

Then there's the group that's like: Muscular woman with pink hair and some sort of gravity gun? Sure, sound fun. Always nice to see different types of characters and playstyles (even if they're Street Fighter level cliche).

Maybe it's just the genre and setting, but the roster really does have kind of a national stereotype vibe like Street fighter.

Character from Nepal? it's a buddhist robot that kind of reminds me of that generic asian mysticism that inspired Dhalsim.

Sexy French assassin? check, and she's got a catsuit and blue skin.

Generic mystery character with spooky "age unknown" in his bio? Reaper has all that in spades

German medic? making her female and giving her a jetpack isn't going to stop the TF2 comparisons Blizzard, I'm sure Tumblr is already shipping her with Medic EDIT: I got her mixed up with Reinhardt, looks like Mercy is Swiss, which fits with the neutral stereotype a little, but Switzerland doesn't have a good stereotype I can think of for apapting to an FPS game.

American? of course he's a Western cowboy. Are we sure this isn't being made by Japan?

Japanese character? I don't know if giving him a bow is really that original, his super is still two Chinese looking dragons

British character? small speedster with a cockny accent, she's basically british Scout from TF2.

Egyptian character? Of course she has ancient Egyptian styled hair and makeup designs despite being a dead civilization for thousands of years, becuase ancient Egypt is the only Egypt most people know anything about

And of course we can't forget our Russian heavy weapons character.

It's like someone took a Street fighter roster and adapted it for a futuristic FPS

 

[Mutant1988]

Then there's the group that's like: Muscular woman with pink hair and some sort of gravity gun? Sure, sound fun. Always nice to see different types of characters and playstyles (even if they're Street Fighter level cliche).

Maybe it's just the genre and setting, but the roster really does have kind of a national stereotype vibe like Street fighter.

Character from Nepal? it's a buddhist robot that kind of reminds me of that generic asian mysticism that inspired Dhalsim.

Sexy French assassin? check, and she's got a catsuit and blue skin.

Generic mystery character with spooky "age unknown" in his bio? Reaper has all that in spades

German medic? making her female and giving her a jetpack isn't going to stop the TF2 comparisons Blizzard, I'm sure Tumblr is already shipping her with Medic EDIT: I got her mixed up with Reinhardt, looks like Mercy is Swiss, which fits with the neutral stereotype a little, but Switzerland doesn't have a good stereotype I can think of for apapting to an FPS game.

American? of course he's a Western cowboy. Are we sure this isn't being made by Japan?

Japanese character? I don't know if giving him a bow is really that original, his super is still two Chinese looking dragons

British character? small speedster with a cockny accent, she's basically british Scout from TF2.

Egyptian character? Of course she has ancient Egyptian styled hair and makeup designs despite being a dead civilization for thousands of years, becuase ancient Egypt is the only Egypt most people know anything about

And of course we can't forget our Russian heavy weapons character.

It's like someone took a Street fighter roster and adapted it for a futuristic FPS

The likeness to a fighting game really is spot on. And it's sad too that the genre with the most stereotypes and fan service is also one of the more diverse, because a lot of different characters can work in a fighting game narrative (Which is usually insanely loose). That's coming from someone that loves fighting games. But it's a genre where it's absolutely necessary to exaggerate traits to make characters stand out. It can be any trait really. Nationality, martial art discipline, character archetypes or just unique clothing (SNK is big on this) or look otherwise.

And especially for a team based competitive multiplayer game, it's important to differentiate silhouettes, so that you can tell who is which character at a glance.

 

[inmunitas]

Then there's the group that's like: Muscular woman with pink hair and some sort of gravity gun? Sure, sound fun. Always nice to see different types of characters and playstyles (even if they're Street Fighter level cliche).

Maybe it's just the genre and setting, but the roster really does have kind of a national stereotype vibe like Street fighter.

Character from Nepal? it's a buddhist robot that kind of reminds me of that generic asian mysticism that inspired Dhalsim.

Sexy French assassin? check, and she's got a catsuit and blue skin.

Generic mystery character with spooky "age unknown" in his bio? Reaper has all that in spades

German medic? making her female and giving her a jetpack isn't going to stop the TF2 comparisons Blizzard, I'm sure Tumblr is already shipping her with Medic EDIT: I got her mixed up with Reinhardt, looks like Mercy is Swiss, which fits with the neutral stereotype a little, but Switzerland doesn't have a good stereotype I can think of for apapting to an FPS game.

American? of course he's a Western cowboy. Are we sure this isn't being made by Japan?

Japanese character? I don't know if giving him a bow is really that original, his super is still two Chinese looking dragons

British character? small speedster with a cockney accent, she's basically british Scout from TF2.

Egyptian character? Of course she has ancient Egyptian styled hair and makeup designs despite being a dead civilization for thousands of years, becuase ancient Egypt is the only Egypt most people know anything about

And of course we can't forget our Russian heavy weapons character.

It's like someone took a Street fighter roster and adapted it for a futuristic FPS

"British character? small speedster with a cockney accent, she's basically british Scout from TF2."
Cockney isn't "British", that's just London and typically East End at that.

 

[inmunitas]

"British character? small speedster with a cockney accent, she's basically british Scout from TF2."
Cockney isn't "British", that's just London and typically East End at that.

No, Cockney is objectively British. Cockney Geezer and all that.

See this is exactly the kind of discrimination we have to put up within UK. I'm not from "down south", you need to add a Northerner or I'm not going to feel represented (and they better not be from Lancashire). Not to mention a Welsh character for Wales, and Scottish character for Scotland, and an Irish character for Northern Ireland.

 

[theNater]

See this is exactly the kind of discrimination we have to put up within UK. I'm not from "down south", you need to add a Northerner or I'm not going to feel represented (and they better not be from Lancashire).

Well, let's make this criticism constructive with a bit of brainstorming. What would you like to see in the Northerner? Are there powers, weapons, phrases, physical attributes, or particular behaviors you think would be good for such a character? What would be representative of you?

 

[inmunitas]

"British character? small speedster with a cockney accent, she's basically british Scout from TF2."
Cockney isn't "British", that's just London and typically East End at that.

No, Cockney is objectively British. Cockney Geezer and all that.

See this is exactly the kind of discrimination we have to put up within UK. I'm not from "down south", you need to add a Northerner or I'm not going to feel represented (and they better not be from Lancashire). Not to mention a Welsh character for Wales, and Scottish character for Scotland, and an Irish character for Northern Ireland.

Well no, they don't. They don't need to do anything.

Also "discrimination" and "not represented" are two completely different things.

You're putting in a Southerner and claiming they represent all of Britain, that is discrimination.

 

[NPC009]

"British character? small speedster with a cockney accent, she's basically british Scout from TF2."
Cockney isn't "British", that's just London and typically East End at that.

No, Cockney is objectively British. Cockney Geezer and all that.

See this is exactly the kind of discrimination we have to put up within UK. I'm not from "down south", you need to add a Northerner or I'm not going to feel represented (and they better not be from Lancashire). Not to mention a Welsh character for Wales, and Scottish character for Scotland, and an Irish character for Northern Ireland.

Well no, they don't. They don't need to do anything.

Also "discrimination" and "not represented" are two completely different things.

You're putting in a Southerner and claiming they represent all of Britain, that is discrimination.

Wait, what? The bit you said before wasn't a joke?

Dude, it's just a silly little stereotype and pretty much every Overwatch introduced thus far seems to have a few of those. Cockney is just something people from outside of the UK recognise as something English, so that's what they went with.

 

[EternallyBored]

"British character? small speedster with a cockney accent, she's basically british Scout from TF2."
Cockney isn't "British", that's just London and typically East End at that.

No, Cockney is objectively British. Cockney Geezer and all that.

See this is exactly the kind of discrimination we have to put up within UK. I'm not from "down south", you need to add a Northerner or I'm not going to feel represented (and they better not be from Lancashire). Not to mention a Welsh character for Wales, and Scottish character for Scotland, and an Irish character for Northern Ireland.

Well no, they don't. They don't need to do anything.

Also "discrimination" and "not represented" are two completely different things.

You're putting in a Southerner and claiming they represent all of Britain, that is discrimination.

That's not what Pluvia said, cockney is a part of British culture, representing one aspect of culture and not another is not in any way discrimination, unless you are seriously trying to contend that we can't call McCree a stereotypical American portrayal, because, "OMG Americans were more than just cowboys, cowboys are really only in the Western states"

Also, Tracer is from London, her having a cockney accent is stereotypically British, just because it doesn't represent ALL of Britain does not change this fact, Cowboys are not ALL Americans, but pointing out McCree as a stereotypical American character archetype is not in any way, shape, or form discrimination.

Basically, you don't seem to understand what discrimination means.

 

[Overusedname]

What the hell is going on in this thread?

There's an awful lot of random hyperbole and accusations of xenophobia going on here for a post about a space cowboy and a woman with biceps.

 

[theNater]

What the hell is going on in this thread?

Helpfully, inmunitas has laid out pretty much what's going on in this thread back on the first page.

Nobody really cares what a character looks like in game. I'd rather Blizzard created diverse body types etc (like they've done in previous titles) because that's what they wanted to do, and not out of fear of being harassed by a bunch of incompetent morons.

Fortunately, we have inmunitas(and a few others) to protect poor, helpless Blizzard from these terrifying "incompetent morons" who, despite not caring about it(because nobody does), are forcing Blizzard to do something they want to do anyway.

 

[inmunitas]

What the hell is going on in this thread?

Helpfully, inmunitas has laid out pretty much what's going on in this thread back on the first page.

Nobody really cares what a character looks like in game. I'd rather Blizzard created diverse body types etc (like they've done in previous titles) because that's what they wanted to do, and not out of fear of being harassed by a bunch of incompetent morons.

Fortunately, we have inmunitas(and a few others) to protect poor, helpless Blizzard from these terrifying "incompetent morons" who, despite not caring about it(because nobody does), are forcing Blizzard to do something they want to do anyway.

I'm just trying to gauge where we are intending to go with this long term.