Blizzard Hits WoW Gold Sellers in the Wallet

[Gindil]

First, this causes the gold spammers to go underground with their network. It also causes people to find other avenues to get the same goods. So instead of using Paypal, they might use Flattr or some other means.

Blizzard finds gold sellers by examining the data from the game servers. Even if they change payment methods/providers, this will not stop Blizzard identifing accounts trading large amounts of gold an banning them.

Any online payment company would rather deal with Blizzard than a gold seller (because there is more money coming in from Blizzard and much less risk of clawbacks or legal issues.)

AlertPay actually is accepted by less than credible people. I think you're making a huge assumption in that the reputation of certain places will allow Blizzard to strong arm them. That's true for the larger places such as Google Checkout or Paypal, but as I've said, it causes the activity to go further underground where Blizzard will have a harder time to fight them.

In extreme circumstances, they may close their Blizzard account and play another game, citing privacy concerns.

Privacy? Exactly what private info would these players be concerned about (in relation to this case with Paypal)?

The VAST majority of players don't buy gold and are annoyed by gold spam.

Even if ALL the player who do buy gold leave, it is not going to break Blizzard, or even create a dip in Blizzard's revenue.

The amount leaving (because they can no longer buy gold) will be offset by players returning (because the gold spam that annoyed them has gone).

Again, it's something we can't necessarily measure. More people might take this as the straw that broke the Blizzard's back. It takes time to restart and I'm not counting the gold spammers as part of the mayhem. But having been accused of it such as Baresak [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.261246-Blizzard-Hits-WoW-Gold-Sellers-in-the-Wallet?page=3#9858669] might just be a huge problem in privacy issues with Blizzard. It's almost the same as their Real ID thing where they decided to make people's names appear without their consent. Really stupid on their part and it may have made quite a number of people who were thinking about using Blizzard (such as me) for their entertainment think twice.

The other problem comes in when it's Blizzard complaining to someone who may be innocent.

It is possible, but very unlikely.

Because Blizzard has over 250 people in QAT (more than most game studios employ in total).

Data mining is very reliable in identifing these accounts (that have traded gold).

And...? Those people can make mistakes. But if I'm enjoying a game, I should be able to enjoy it as I see fit regardless of how Blizzard wants me to.

Given how Blizzard has been acting recently (suing anyone for IP reasons) it's more likely that this can actually cause legal problems should someone actually take the 4th Amendment route. Not saying it'll happen but again, I'm pointing to all the things that could happen on the worst scale of things.

The 4th amendment does not apply to this case (as Blizzard is not a government agency/officer, nor is Blizzard conducting searches on property owned by the players).

Please explain how you think the 4th amendment could be applied given that Blizzard owns the data, not the player. As such Blizzard has every right to examine the data (and does not have to seize the data to examine it).

Privacy concerns = 4th Amendment. Regardless of it being a company, as I said, in an extreme case, a player can have a strong reason to make Blizzard have a bad day should their privacy and accounts be compromised because of their so called data. I wasn't saying it's going to win, but there is that concern as well as others of privacy laws in place.

You also really think that a player / gold seller could afford to fight Blizzard in court? In a case where they have clearly breached their contract (EULA) with Blizzard?

Nope, easier to quit the game and play DFO or say "Screw You Blizzard" as they move to another form of entertainment for themselves.

 

[Stevepinto3]

Blizzard is absolutely full of crap on this one.



How would this hurt their fanbase? A vast majority of people who play the game are 100% against gold sellers and spammers. How would this have repercussions?

First, this causes the gold spammers to go underground with their network. It also causes people to find other avenues to get the same goods. So instead of using Paypal, they might use Flattr or some other means.

In extreme circumstances, they may close their Blizzard account and play another game, citing privacy concerns.

The other problem comes in when it's Blizzard complaining to someone who may be innocent. Given how Blizzard has been acting recently (suing anyone for IP reasons) it's more likely that this can actually cause legal problems should someone actually take the 4th Amendment [http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22338] route. Not saying it'll happen but again, I'm pointing to all the things that could happen on the worst scale of things.

I spent all weekend dealing with this. First I was accused of buying gold, which I find amazing because my level 43 character has bought nothing on the auction house except 2 bags, and I only possess 201 Gold. 50 of it came from the head of my guild. Other than that, it's from selling loot I get from mobs and running instances. The second time I was accused of trying to sell my WoW account. I, for one, am on the verge of deleting all my characters ( I have 2 characters, both below level 40 from the Burning Crusades era), canceling my WoW account, and committing to not buying any more Blizzard games. How many times do you need to get slapped in the face before you stop giving someone money to slap you in the face?

Also, as you say, Paypal isn't the only way to sell stuff on the internet. This is a fine example of security adversely effecting the innocent.

Are you sure you have actually been accused of this by Blizzard? There is increasing tendency for spammers to send emails to players informing them they have been caught trying to sell gold or account trading. It's not necessarily easy to detect either, I've been playing since BC and I was tricked by some of the new spam messages. I was even lead to believe that my account was hacked (a second time) by some of them, causing me to send letters of to Blizzard to have them change my info. Then I tried logging in and not only did my password still work, nothing had changed. I had been duped.

Blizzard isn't likely out hunting down random players, they realize how that can hurt their players.

It may not be a perfect solution but it's better than inaction. Gold sellers get their stuff from hacked accounts, mine having nearly been one of them. Perhaps I have a different perspective on it because of that, but it's not an uncommon story. Lots of people get hacked, and being able to slow down or stop individual gold sellers can do a lot of good.

 

[TechNoFear]

AlertPay actually is accepted by less than credible people. I think you're making a huge assumption in that the reputation of certain places will allow Blizzard to strong arm them. That's true for the larger places such as Google Checkout or Paypal, but as I've said, it causes the activity to go further underground where Blizzard will have a harder time to fight them.

Blizzard does not have to go anywhere, they can simply ban the accounts on their servers.

Blizzard has the resources (time, money and lawyers) to sue any online trader out of business, without a second thought.

Would you supply a 'less than credible' company with your CC number? Many players will not trust these other sites, where they would PayPal.

might just be a huge problem in privacy issues with Blizzard.

Exactly what private data are we talking about?

There is none.

But if I'm enjoying a game, I should be able to enjoy it as I see fit regardless of how Blizzard wants me to.

No you can't.

You agreed to terms of use (EULA).

Why should you be allowed to spoil other people's gaming (griefing), because that is the way you 'enjoy' the game? Clearly you are not allowed to.

Privacy concerns = 4th Amendment.

Try actually reading the 4th Amendment.
Try looking up some 4th amendment case studies.
See any that are not citizen vs the government, state or one of the governments agencies?

It does not apply in any way to this situation.

Again....what private data owned by the players is Blizzard searching or siezing?

Regardless of it being a company, as I said, in an extreme case, a player can have a strong reason to make Blizzard have a bad day should their privacy and accounts be compromised because of their so called data.

Blizzard OWNS the data, not the player.

No private data is used.

You keep avoiding explaining exactly what private data you are talking about.

 

[Stevepinto3]

I generally agree with this idea, however... This will only make the gold sellers use less trustworthy methods of transactions, possibly creating security risks for the people making the purchases, such as identity theft or unauthorized charges.

This is like saying people are going to take risky methods of committing robbery (for the robber that is). Who cares, they shouldn't be doing it anyway.

It would be easy to go with the prohibition argument that people will do it anyway, but that doesn't really apply. First of all using paypal to do this was already violating Blizzard's terms, now they're just taking action. Second, it is harmful. When you buy gold in WoW you're buying gold stolen from other player's accounts.

In short, if you buy gold and your account get's hacked, that's your fault, not Blizzard's because you couldn't use Paypal.

 

[Tipsythegza]

Gold sellers just got cock slapped lol.

 

[Gindil]

AlertPay actually is accepted by less than credible people. I think you're making a huge assumption in that the reputation of certain places will allow Blizzard to strong arm them. That's true for the larger places such as Google Checkout or Paypal, but as I've said, it causes the activity to go further underground where Blizzard will have a harder time to fight them.

Blizzard does not have to go anywhere, they can simply ban the accounts on their servers.

Blizzard has the resources (time, money and lawyers) to sue any online trader out of business, without a second thought.

Would you supply a 'less than credible' company with your CC number? Many players will not trust these other sites, where they would PayPal.

Yeah, that worked for the RIAA in the long run. -_-;

might just be a huge problem in privacy issues with Blizzard.

Exactly what private data are we talking about?

There is none.

Credit card numbers, accounts that people don't want exposed, cash transactions, etc. Basically merchant data.

But if I'm enjoying a game, I should be able to enjoy it as I see fit regardless of how Blizzard wants me to.

No you can't.

You agreed to terms of use (EULA).

Why should you be allowed to spoil other people's gaming (griefing), because that is the way you 'enjoy' the game? Clearly you are not allowed to.

*sigh*

You obviously missed the fact that I don't play Blizzard games because of their draconian EULA.

And gold spamming := griefing. Nice subtlety but there's a difference. While it's akin to a merchant hawking their wares, it's different from say, killing a level 60 rogue and poisoning them, then taking their armor, then constantly killing them for nothing other than because you can.

Privacy concerns = 4th Amendment.

Try actually reading the 4th Amendment.
Try looking up some 4th amendment case studies.
See any that are not citizen vs the government, state or one of the governments agencies?

It does not apply in any way to this situation.

Again....what private data owned by the players is Blizzard searching or siezing?

merchant data. The stuff that people don't want exposed such as their Paypal accounts. Now I have read 4th Amendment and I'm well aware of what the damn thing is. Here's what I've said in two posts now:

Regardless of it being a company, as I said, in an extreme case, a player can have a strong reason to make Blizzard have a bad day should their privacy and accounts be compromised because of their so called data. I wasn't saying it's going to win, but there is that concern as well as others of privacy laws in place.

Basically meaning that they can annoy Blizzard with the case if they decide to sue over Blizzard stealing their Cloudsong. It's not going to win, it's not a hugely serious thing, it's bad customer service and bad rep for Blizzard all around. I hope I've made myself clear.

 

[TechNoFear]

It's not going to win, it's not a hugely serious thing, it's bad customer service and bad rep for Blizzard all around.

Blizzard is absolutely full of crap on this one.

I'm going to believe that more than likely this will hurt their fanbase a lot more than they know. There were probably other ways to do this but by enforcing this on Paypal, it's going to have severe repercussions on them.

So you have gone from 'severe repercussions' to not serious.

We have gone from 4th amendment violations to privacy concerns, with no chance of winning any law suit.

I hope I've made myself clear.

It is clear to me that you do not understand the situation, 4th amendment law (and how it applies to moder technology) and that you have some axe to grind against Blizzard.

I find none of your arguments even slightly compelling, and most are inaccurate.

So yes, you have made it very clear.

 

[Kyoufuu]

And the ones who are left will flock to RuneScape when they remove their anti-gold-selling methods today.

 

[Cucumberman]

Are all of you here actually aware how gold selling works?

1.Hack an account
2.Sell all items of value, and destroy all others
3.Sell the gold to those who just want the easy way through the game
4.???
5.Profit!

Not to mention the fact that having too much gold in the economy will massively inflate the
prices of items, until eventually the only people who can afford items are those that buy their gold, so then you'll end up having to pay $30-50 every few days to keep up, on top of the suscription fee you are already paying.

If you look at say... Diablo, gold was worthless, as there was so much of it; instead they started trading in these rare rings called Stones of Jordan and that's what the economy was based on, and that same situation may arise in WoW if people continue buying and selling gold.

 

[Lyri]

Assuming the buyer KNOWS his/her gold request was being passed through another website. Realistically they wouldn't.

Except they do, I've been in guilds and known about people who bought gold. They get one over the gold sellers by filing a dispute against them with Paypal.
PP don't fuck around with money and instantly refund it to you and put a black label on the gold sellers. Of course, you won't be able to purchase from them again but hey, you got your stuff back.

Even in legit cases you can still claim your money back from paypal. Again, I've known people to dispute against digital goods and just filed a claim saying they didn't get what they want.
You get your money back, paypal are customer friendly.

 

[Baresark]

Blizzard is absolutely full of crap on this one.



How would this hurt their fanbase? A vast majority of people who play the game are 100% against gold sellers and spammers. How would this have repercussions?

First, this causes the gold spammers to go underground with their network. It also causes people to find other avenues to get the same goods. So instead of using Paypal, they might use Flattr or some other means.

In extreme circumstances, they may close their Blizzard account and play another game, citing privacy concerns.

The other problem comes in when it's Blizzard complaining to someone who may be innocent. Given how Blizzard has been acting recently (suing anyone for IP reasons) it's more likely that this can actually cause legal problems should someone actually take the 4th Amendment [http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22338] route. Not saying it'll happen but again, I'm pointing to all the things that could happen on the worst scale of things.

I spent all weekend dealing with this. First I was accused of buying gold, which I find amazing because my level 43 character has bought nothing on the auction house except 2 bags, and I only possess 201 Gold. 50 of it came from the head of my guild. Other than that, it's from selling loot I get from mobs and running instances. The second time I was accused of trying to sell my WoW account. I, for one, am on the verge of deleting all my characters ( I have 2 characters, both below level 40 from the Burning Crusades era), canceling my WoW account, and committing to not buying any more Blizzard games. How many times do you need to get slapped in the face before you stop giving someone money to slap you in the face?

Also, as you say, Paypal isn't the only way to sell stuff on the internet. This is a fine example of security adversely effecting the innocent.

Are you sure you have actually been accused of this by Blizzard? There is increasing tendency for spammers to send emails to players informing them they have been caught trying to sell gold or account trading. It's not necessarily easy to detect either, I've been playing since BC and I was tricked by some of the new spam messages. I was even lead to believe that my account was hacked (a second time) by some of them, causing me to send letters of to Blizzard to have them change my info. Then I tried logging in and not only did my password still work, nothing had changed. I had been duped.

Blizzard isn't likely out hunting down random players, they realize how that can hurt their players.

It may not be a perfect solution but it's better than inaction. Gold sellers get their stuff from hacked accounts, mine having nearly been one of them. Perhaps I have a different perspective on it because of that, but it's not an uncommon story. Lots of people get hacked, and being able to slow down or stop individual gold sellers can do a lot of good.

I thought it may have been one of those crazy spam emails, but then I signed into Battle.net and my account was disabled both times. After the first time I started using Authenticator and changed all my passwords to be sure. Only to be greeted with my account being frozen again the next day. It is vastly annoying to have to deal with this, being innocent and all. It's also unfair to make people jump through hoops to play a game that was paid for.

But,similar things have happened with other companies and security, so this is not such a big stretch. But, this isn't nearly as bad as the Ubisoft fiasco involving Splinter Cell Conviction and Assassins Creed 2 Brotherhood.

 

[Gindil]

It's not going to win, it's not a hugely serious thing, it's bad customer service and bad rep for Blizzard all around.

Blizzard is absolutely full of crap on this one.

I'm going to believe that more than likely this will hurt their fanbase a lot more than they know. There were probably other ways to do this but by enforcing this on Paypal, it's going to have severe repercussions on them.

So you have gone from 'severe repercussions' to not serious.

We have gone from 4th amendment violations to privacy concerns, with no chance of winning any law suit.

Severe financial repercussions... Meaning they will lose customers regardless. This is getting annoying that you're nitpicking but whatever.

-E- And yes, I do believe customer dissatisfaction, changing from one game to another, or other types of inconvenience when Blizzard accuses someone of gold farming when they're not to be severe repercussions. Obviously, not all of the repercussions are felt in the legal arena.

I hope I've made myself clear.

It is clear to me that you do not understand the situation, 4th amendment law (and how it applies to moder technology) and that you have some axe to grind against Blizzard.

I find none of your arguments even slightly compelling, and most are inaccurate.

So yes, you have made it very clear.

*sigh*

Alright, please don't quote me again. The main argument is the fact that Blizzard pisses off their customer base because of the fact that they're invading their privacy. Last time that happened, it was through the Real ID idea that they had. This time it's financial data that basically say "Hey, you're buying gold in large amounts. WTF?" When I'm stating 4th Amendment, it's mainly about privacy concerns that are enforced by the US government.

This also doesn't change the fact that gold spammers won't go away, merely go underground. It will be HARDER for Blizzard to go after them, especially since most are in countries where Blizzard doesn't have such enforcement powers (similar to the three hackers they sued) Since all your argument seems to be is to nitpick mine, then I have nothing else to say on the matter.

And for the last damn time, I don't play Blizzard games! Seriously, if you want to jump to a conclusion, at least jump to one that has a better base.

 

[Arawn.Chernobog]

I just want goldsellers and those that buy gold for real world currency to die slow painful deaths with multiple diseases while tortured by a raping manatee...

I'm a simple man like that.

Realy? because they are ruining your world of warcraft game? That is so sad, although i guess if wow was my only life i would get mad when someone is smart enough to figure out a work around doing all the hard work that i spent 1000 hours doing over the last few years..

Nope, don't even play the game, I hate them for hacking private accounts and utilizing them for their means, thus assaulting private property, if somebody steals ANYTHING from me I'd like the chance to shoot them in the face (no exceptions, ever)

Hacking private accounts is not what we are talking about, its about people exchanging gold for real money.

Actually it is, Goldsellers hack accounts of their customers and others in order to sell items from them and obtain in-game gold to then sell to future customers for real-world money.

Buying Gold = Supporting Account Hacking and Account Hacking = Stealing Private Property and Stealing Private Property should get the crimminal a quick drop and a short stop at the gallows as far as I'm concerned.

 

[TechNoFear]

The main argument is the fact that Blizzard pisses off their customer base because of the fact that they're invading their privacy.

Did you read the news artical?

There is no privacy issue for Blizzard customers (which is the point I keep trying to make and you keep failing to understand).

Blizzard asked PayPal to stop some of PayPal's customers accounts, those linked to gold sellers web sites.

No Blizzard account info was transmitted to PayPal (or any other 3rd party).

When I'm stating 4th Amendment, it's mainly about privacy concerns that are enforced by the US government.

Which government agency is searching or seizing Blizzard data?

Because the 4th can not be used (by a citizen) against a private company, unless the private company allowed the government to conduct illegal search / seizures (ie Hepting vs AT&T 2006)

The 9th and 14th amendments have much more to do with a US citizen's right to personal privacy (along with state laws, such as those enacted by California and Montana).

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1734755

 

[Gindil]

The main argument is the fact that Blizzard pisses off their customer base because of the fact that they're invading their privacy.

Did you read the news artical?

There is no privacy issue for Blizzard customers (which is the point I keep trying to make and you keep failing to understand).

Blizzard asked PayPal to stop some of PayPal's customers accounts, those linked to gold sellers web sites.

No Blizzard account info was transmitted to PayPal (or any other 3rd party).

When I'm stating 4th Amendment, it's mainly about privacy concerns that are enforced by the US government.

Which government agency is searching or seizing Blizzard data?

Because the 4th can not be used (by a citizen) against a private company, unless the private company allowed the government to conduct illegal search / seizures (ie Hepting vs AT&T 2006)

The 9th and 14th amendments have much more to do with a US citizen's right to personal privacy (along with state laws, such as those enacted by California and Montana).

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1734755

Alright, let's start this over:

I'm meaning more about privacy concerns, not necessarily Amendments. (Sorry, late night posting is really bad with brain anatomy. That's my fault)

I think there IS a privacy concern because Blizzard is accusing them of gold selling, which I still feel is bad for business. Somehow, Blizzard logged some data and while everything can point to X, sometimes it can be a Y. The letter seems nice but I kind of have a problem with any company going to the lengths that Blizzard is (contacting a third company and complaining about XYZ account). By all lengths, that does seem pretty crappy for anyone involved. Your choices are to be banned for being a gold seller or taking time away from your entertainment to deal with a game that you don't own. This still seems like a lose-lose situation for individuals involved.

While people are saying "Great, go for those spammers!" the problem remains that no system is perfect. In a way, it's the difference between a "false positive" system and a "false negative system" (Link [http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101109/22502811788/weighing-the-benefits-and-costs-of-drm-type-i-type-ii-errors.shtml]). It seems to be a lot of work to enforce a decree that I think could be handled in a different way. If there were a certain place they could hawk wares or somehow make it less attractive without contacting third parties, it might not be as iffy to me.

The other problem arises that you've left the actual goldies do one of two things: Find less than desirable alternatives or quit. I doubt many will quit when that's their main source of income currently.

Regardless, this continues to hit on the main points of my argument that could happen; it causes others to see Blizzard as less than desirable to play for (if they're going to these lengths to "protect" their product, is it worth me to invest and play?) or perhaps they can play alternatives (of course, mine is DFO and Vindictus, but that's another story)

 

[sleeky01]

Assuming the buyer KNOWS his/her gold request was being passed through another website. Realistically they wouldn't.

Except they do, I've been in guilds and known about people who bought gold. They get one over the gold sellers by filing a dispute against them with Paypal.

IN this example it didn't matter if those buyers knew they were being redirected or not. They just wanted to screw around the seller.

What I'm saying is that people who buy WoW gold on a regular basis (and there must be alot or there wouldn't be so many of them) would get redirected from buywowgold.com to electronicgoodshere.com and THEN to paypal, Paypal would not know it was a gold sell.

The only way Paypal COULD know is if Blizzard bought gold from these sites themselves. That way Blizzard would have a "paper trail".

Now if you ask yourself why Blizzard hasn't done this yet is a topic for another thread I think.

 

[Lyri]

IN this example it didn't matter if those buyers knew they were being redirected or not. They just wanted to screw around the seller.

What I'm saying is that people who buy WoW gold on a regular basis (and there must be alot or there wouldn't be so many of them) would get redirected from buywowgold.com to electronicgoodshere.com and THEN to paypal, Paypal would not know it was a gold sell.

The only way Paypal COULD know is if Blizzard bought gold from these sites themselves. That way Blizzard would have a "paper trail".

Now if you ask yourself why Blizzard hasn't done this yet is a topic for another thread I think.

They bought it from a gold site then reclaimed their money, Paypal don't need to see what you're doing.
If you file a dispute you get your payment back.

Paypal is a method of moving your money securely from your account to another, if you wish to claim it back.
It gives it back.
It's a payment option like giving someone a cheque and then cancelling it, does the bank ring you up and tell you that you cannot cancel the cheque?
Nope, but the recipient does.
Gold sellers can't do that as they're performing an illegal operation.

 

[sleeky01]

IN this example it didn't matter if those buyers knew they were being redirected or not. They just wanted to screw around the seller.

What I'm saying is that people who buy WoW gold on a regular basis (and there must be alot or there wouldn't be so many of them) would get redirected from buywowgold.com to electronicgoodshere.com and THEN to paypal, Paypal would not know it was a gold sell.

The only way Paypal COULD know is if Blizzard bought gold from these sites themselves. That way Blizzard would have a "paper trail".

Now if you ask yourself why Blizzard hasn't done this yet is a topic for another thread I think.

They bought it from a gold site then reclaimed their money, Paypal don't need to see what you're doing.
If you file a dispute you get your payment back.

Paypal is a method of moving your money securely from your account to another, if you wish to claim it back.
It gives it back.
It's a payment option like giving someone a cheque and then cancelling it, does the bank ring you up and tell you that you cannot cancel the cheque?
Nope, but the recipient does.
Gold sellers can't do that as they're performing an illegal operation.

I understand and a agree with this. But you are missing the point I was originally making.

From the original post:

"It recently filed a series of complaints with PayPal alleging that certain accounts related to item selling and other transactions were violating Blizzard's intellectual property."

If a gold seller buys gold from wowgold.com and wowgold.com contacts Palpal directly then the transaction will not be prossesed by Paypal because Blizzard has put them on notice for that Paypal account.

Do you agree with this part so far?

However if wowgold.com redirects the transaction to cheapcrap.com and THEN contacts Paypal for prossessing, then that paypal account can prosess the transaction because as far as Paypal knows you bought cheap crap not gold.

Do you agree with THIS part?

I understand that the buyer can contact Paypal and say that they did not receive the product they bought from cheapcrap.com and demand their money back. That was not the point I was making.

 

[sleeky01]

IN this example it didn't matter if those buyers knew they were being redirected or not. They just wanted to screw around the seller.

What I'm saying is that people who buy WoW gold on a regular basis (and there must be alot or there wouldn't be so many of them) would get redirected from buywowgold.com to electronicgoodshere.com and THEN to paypal, Paypal would not know it was a gold sell.

The only way Paypal COULD know is if Blizzard bought gold from these sites themselves. That way Blizzard would have a "paper trail".

Now if you ask yourself why Blizzard hasn't done this yet is a topic for another thread I think.

They bought it from a gold site then reclaimed their money, Paypal don't need to see what you're doing.
If you file a dispute you get your payment back.

Paypal is a method of moving your money securely from your account to another, if you wish to claim it back.
It gives it back.
It's a payment option like giving someone a cheque and then cancelling it, does the bank ring you up and tell you that you cannot cancel the cheque?
Nope, but the recipient does.
Gold sellers can't do that as they're performing an illegal operation.

I understand and a agree with this. But you are missing the point I was originally making.

From the original post:

"It recently filed a series of complaints with PayPal alleging that certain accounts related to item selling and other transactions were violating Blizzard's intellectual property."

If a gold seller buys gold from wowgold.com and wowgold.com contacts Palpal directly then the transaction will not be prossesed by Paypal because Blizzard has put them on notice for that Paypal account.

Do you agree with this part so far?

However if wowgold.com redirects the transaction to cheapcrap.com and THEN contacts Paypal for prossessing, then that paypal account can prosess the transaction because as far as Paypal knows you bought cheap crap not gold.

Do you agree with THIS part?

I understand that the buyer can contact Paypal and say that they did not receive the product they bought from cheapcrap.com and demand their money back. That was not the point I was making.

 

[Lyri]

I understand and a agree with this. But you are missing the point I was originally making.

From the original post:

"It recently filed a series of complaints with PayPal alleging that certain accounts related to item selling and other transactions were violating Blizzard's intellectual property."

If a gold seller buys gold from wowgold.com and wowgold.com contacts Palpal directly then the transaction will not be prossesed by Paypal because Blizzard has put them on notice for that Paypal account.

Do you agree with this part so far?

However if wowgold.com redirects the transaction to cheapcrap.com and THEN contacts Paypal for prossessing, then that paypal account can prosess the transaction because as far as Paypal knows you bought cheap crap not gold.

Do you agree with THIS part?

I understand that the buyer can contact Paypal and say that they did not receive the product they bought from cheapcrap.com and demand their money back. That was not the point I was making.

I thought the article wasn't targeting specific accounts of people and sellers but putting a ban on wow gold being bought over paypal.

I agree with the second part too, that was in my first post.