They get exactly what they deserve. Playing games like Starcraft or indeed halo, you really come to hate hackers and 'network manipulation'. Its even worse when they make money from the cheats they unbalance the game with.
Blizzard is suing hackers
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Wait these were multiplayer cheats that they were selling?theblackmonk90 said:
Well if that's the case they are justified, because selling I think is too extreme, but anything other than that should just be a banning. Not a lawsuit.
If it's for multiplayer hacking then let them rot
For single player and I don't even see why they were banned. The game may have cheats built in it but it's not hurting anyone or effecting the experience for anyone else but the hacker
For single player and I don't even see why they were banned. The game may have cheats built in it but it's not hurting anyone or effecting the experience for anyone else but the hacker
I don't like to say I told you so...but...wait no I do like to say I told you so.
So I fucking called it!
I knew their banning of single player cheaters was only the first step, now we're going to see what happens when the EULA is actually enforced. I'm looking forward to following the case actually, hopefully those being sued don't just capitulate and surrender because I think they'd have a good chance of getting the EULA eviscerated in court. I really hope this bites Blizzard, and the EULA especially, in the ass.
So I fucking called it!
I knew their banning of single player cheaters was only the first step, now we're going to see what happens when the EULA is actually enforced. I'm looking forward to following the case actually, hopefully those being sued don't just capitulate and surrender because I think they'd have a good chance of getting the EULA eviscerated in court. I really hope this bites Blizzard, and the EULA especially, in the ass.
Hacking their servers is undoubtedly wrong, but the gaming industry and computer culture in general, has been previously predicated on experimentation, hacking, information sharing and OS software. It is what has gotten us to where we are today.LordOfInsanity said:
I'm not saying people should be able to make money from hacking their games or whatever, but their previous actions where they mass banned all the SP trainer users set a very bad precedent for the industry as a whole and justifying it only helps that.
And let's not start pretending that copyright has been used fairly in the last couple of decades. It is slowly becoming a weapon of absolute control even in the face of fair use, so I don't much buy that line of reasoning. Whether or not these guys used a significant amount of Blizzard's material is important, but I will agree that selling the hacks was not a good idea, and not really in line with this experimentation ethos.
So basically, Blizzard are perfectly within their rights to do this and should do so in an attempt to discourage such activities in the future.LordOfInsanity said:
Go buy your stuff legally, like everyone else does.
I agree. also, if blizzard is sueing for a cut of the profits, then these hacks were sold for money, go blizzard, maybe this will at least reduce the number of times stuff like this happens.LordOfInsanity said:
Something I posted in the other thread:
I dont know, I dont cheat/hack on ANY game I play, since it pretty much ruins the point. HOWEVER ruining someones financial future and possibly their life because they erroneously believed they wouldnt get caught doing something, in the grand scheme of things, relatively minor, I think is more douche-baggish than what the hackers did in the first place. I mean, ruining someones real life over a VIDEO GAME is completely over the top. I sincerely hope Blizzard loses these lawsuits.
As an aside, who honestly believes that ruining someones life is justified because these hackers ruined someones gaming experience, I mean HONESTLY. Put yourself in their shoes, I bet you wouldnt be thinking its SO FAIR.
I dont know, I dont cheat/hack on ANY game I play, since it pretty much ruins the point. HOWEVER ruining someones financial future and possibly their life because they erroneously believed they wouldnt get caught doing something, in the grand scheme of things, relatively minor, I think is more douche-baggish than what the hackers did in the first place. I mean, ruining someones real life over a VIDEO GAME is completely over the top. I sincerely hope Blizzard loses these lawsuits.
As an aside, who honestly believes that ruining someones life is justified because these hackers ruined someones gaming experience, I mean HONESTLY. Put yourself in their shoes, I bet you wouldnt be thinking its SO FAIR.
Should the guy who hacked The Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion be sued also, because of the Unoffical Oblivion mod (which was used to fix a lot of issues). Hacking and modding games has been a old thing gamers did since the atari days (even my professor told us how he modded an atari game to by pass a guard blocking his path.). If it's been used for multiplayer or not doesn't matter, what about all the servers for TF2 that use all kinds of odd hacks and mods?Dexter111 said:
Violating the EULA is violating the EULA. Can't get around that in legal terms or moral terms. EULA is essentially a contract you agree to, and if you violate said contract you open yourself up to whatever recourse that can be legally taken.
I don't feel sorry for hackers/cheaters who get screwed by their own actions. And moreover I don't see how hacking a game makes the industry better. If you're that "good" a programmer and you think your skills can serve the community, buck up and find yourself a job you can apply those skills to.
Making money off of altering the code of a work you didn't produce yourself? By all means get your ass handed to you for digital plagarism.
I do so get tired of people defending hackers like its a right to "do what I want with software I buy" when laws clearly state that it is NOT. Otherwise what use is a EULA and why would companies bother to put it in? How would they protect their code from being reverse engineered and used to create things for the profit of others without seeing a dime of said profit?
Sigh. Grow some morals people.
I don't feel sorry for hackers/cheaters who get screwed by their own actions. And moreover I don't see how hacking a game makes the industry better. If you're that "good" a programmer and you think your skills can serve the community, buck up and find yourself a job you can apply those skills to.
Making money off of altering the code of a work you didn't produce yourself? By all means get your ass handed to you for digital plagarism.
I do so get tired of people defending hackers like its a right to "do what I want with software I buy" when laws clearly state that it is NOT. Otherwise what use is a EULA and why would companies bother to put it in? How would they protect their code from being reverse engineered and used to create things for the profit of others without seeing a dime of said profit?
Sigh. Grow some morals people.
I don't see anything wrong with what Blizzard is doing here. It's their game and they have a right to make sure no one is messing with it. It sounds to me like these hackers could be doing potentially game-breaking things which would ruin the experience of Starcraft 2 for tons of people. Blizzard is doing what's best for their customers. I think it's good that they're laying the hurt on these people, and Microsoft should follow suit before xbox live is rendered completely unusable.SpcyhknBC said:
No, no it's not. The EULA will never stand up in court, probably why they're not citing it in their case brief (as someone just pointed out to me). The EULA is not a valid contract.amaranth_dru said:
While these guys maybe be jackasses for charging money for something not their own, and (from what I hear) making multiplayer hacks, this line of thought is really dangerous to the gaming community and industry as a whole. By the same token you can say that Modders are also violating the EULA.
But while the EULA may state that you can't use software as you like in your own home, actual copyright law states no such thing. Which is exactly why the EULA is there. Copyright law on its own is enough to nail these guys, which is why Blizzard isn't bringing up EULA for this case. Because they charging for the hacks, that's a clear violation. If ever they go after single player cheaters or modders they'll find they have a much weaker case.
You know whats sad about that, hacks and mods have been around since the 80's and before that. Ever heard of Game Genie? Nintendo tried to sue the makers for the same reason and lost. There are hacks and mods for PC games that aren't even allowed to have it (like a game that wasn't given the tools to mod it) yet still has it. I don't think Grand Theft Auto was ment to have Multi Theft Auto (if I'm wrong I'm wrong), and what about Fable I know it doesn't have the tools given to mod it (and besides the tatoo mod that is given out with the game). Can you care to explain the guys who wrote that mod wasn't sued? This is just activision to put fear into others.amaranth_dru said:
Wait suing? Shouldn't they be prosecuted hands down and sent to prison for hacking or piracy...or is this Blizzard trying to take the money of possibly weathly (or not) computer hackers?
Geez, from the looks of all the news we have been getting, blizzard is suing people more than they are making games!
When you but the game you get everything you need already on the disk, the second you tamper with that content, you become a hacker and therefore performing an illegal act of infringment.
"These people need to be stomped out and soon. when they hack and mod a game that isn't meant to be hacked, they are wounding the com-pany that made the game. And when they sell these mods so that other people can do the same, it slowly will lead the company to saying:"
"Fuck this and fuck you"
"These people need to be stomped out and soon. when they hack and mod a game that isn't meant to be hacked, they are wounding the com-pany that made the game. And when they sell these mods so that other people can do the same, it slowly will lead the company to saying:"
"Fuck this and fuck you"
Perhaps because mods are released to the public freely with no money changing hands. Were they to charge for said mods, then I would see a lawsuit coming indefinitely.Arehexes said:
Also EULA's have been upheld in court (see Blizzard vs. Bnetd).