Blizzard is suing hackers

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Krantos

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This one I don't really have a problem with. If the hackers are guilty of Copyright infringement (and they obviously are) then they should be caught.

The thing that Blizzard did that I can't tolerate is when they banned people who cheated in Single-Player. Seriously.
 

gl1koz3

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The whole computer copyright thing is a joke. Until we can control electricity by thought, ain't going to look serious enough to actually care. The only thing that's keeping this together is the system and these fast news routes these days.

Wake up. As soon as you take the bytes into your hand, they are YOURS.

EDIT: Well, maybe sounded not the way I meant. Well, selling hacks for stuff you don't own is acting like ass, so the suit looks OK.
 

Leemaster777

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All of Blizzard's recent actions are for the better good. Banning multiplayer cheaters, suspending single-player cheaters, and now this with going after the hackers, it's all for one reason: They want to keep the online Starcraft community honest.

Starcraft is a popular online sport, and if Blizzard doesn't do everything in its power to stop hackers, they'll ruin the online experience. Some may call these extreme measures, but really, anything less would only be a slap on the wrist.

To quote the Joker, "It's not about money, it's about sending a message". And the message here is "We will not tolerate cheaters".

I say bravo, Blizzard, for having the balls to fight so hard for a game you love.
 

Therumancer

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As I said in other messages on the topic, I like the idea of this, but in the end it's a lot or ruckus about nothing. In the end suing people who don't have any money worth note is not going to accomplish anything. To make a differance in this case they would have to make a criminal case, convince the goverment to prosecute it (and probably extradite these guys) and send them to jail.

Telling Jim Bob that he now owes some company 88 million dollars is kind of pointless if he doesn't have that money, since right now there aren't any debtors prisons in the US, the only time failure to pay something like this becomes a crime is if the person has the money they aren't giving up, or if they are viewed as not making a reasonable effort to pay back the money given their condition. Sueing a poor person can result in a company getting like $5 a month out of their social security or whatever as that is reasonable based on their destitute nature and abillity to pay.

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As far as not supporting Activision/Blizzard goes, I'll say that I agree with the general sentiments, but not over this. If you want to oppose their policies and practices though you have to not buy their upcoming products like "Black Ops" and "Cataclysm" to really make a differance.

One of the reasons people talk about game addiction, and I use analogies to junkies in talking about the behavior of the game community even if I don't believe in actual game addiction, is because in the end we gamers will buy the product no matter how we're treated. Activision is the devil, right up until "Black Ops" is on the shelves and all the FPS junkies run right out and buy it because all their friends will have it, rather than rallying to make a point of playing OTHER games (even older ones) instead.

Still, of all the reasons for going after Activision and the developers it owns and trying to cost them money, this actually isn't one of them. The people being targeted by this really do damage the games and their communities. Especially if you want the multiplayer to be actually competitive, and for the achievements to mean something (and if you have the intention of actually attaching a value to those achievements down the road as some rumors point to when it comes to Blizzard).

If anything the problem with what we're seeing here is that it's all smoke and mirrors, it sounds flashy and impressive, but in reality the money they are spending on legal actions for this is pretty much money being used for advertising. It's about the flash of the whole thing, and saying "we care about the integrity of the community" without actually doing anything. This is all pointless until we see people in prison for it.

It's sort of like gold farming, it's never disappeared because the efforts made are mostly trivial ones calculated to make it seem like there is an effort. Banning a million people or even 10 million people is meaningless when they can just get right back online. On the other hand if they bothered to actually extradite just one person and get him thrown in jail for a ridiculous amount of time it would make a big differance.

China for example doesn't usually cooperate with extraditions in general, especially for things like this that it as a nation benefits from (money coming into their economy, virtual currency farming overall generates a not inconsiderable amount of money as has been pointed out). On the other hand for the cost of all those gold farming bans, Blizzard could hire a bounty hunter to abduct the guy in China, claim to apprehend him in some country with an extradition treaty, and have him prosecuted.

The whole thing about using bounty hunters (which really exist) in an illegal fashion to kidnap people and then claim that they just happened to stumble accross them in an area where they could be apprehended is an old trick, it just tends not to get much press time, unless your dealing with someone like "Dog" who was doing similar (though not identical) types of things on TV and getting away with it.

Oh sure, China would pitch a fit especially if the guy was used as a public example like we're talking about, but is unlikely to be able to prove anything in the end (which is the point), and nobody is going to start a war over a scumbag (which is why it's never happened).

This kind of thing would probably scare people enough to influance gold farming. But of course Blizzard doesn't really care enough to deal with all the flak it would entail.

The same applies here with the cheaters, they seem to be working within the civil court system because making a criminal case out of it would simply be too much of a headache and get some negative attention (20 years for cheating at a game!... no matter what the legal justification about IP laws and such a lot of people, especially the ignorant, will be outraged). The short term annoyance is not worth the long term benefit to them.

Such are my thoughts.
 

Manicotti

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Many kudos to Blizzard for defending its property so punitively. And yes, I believe that the folks who wrote and sold these mods deserve to have their lives ruined over it, if only because they were stupid enough to think that they could get away with ruining the property of one of the biggest game companies in the industry.

If someone broke into my house, stole some of my stuff, and then tried to sell it on eBay, you better believe I'd swing a crowbar into his face the moment I found him.
 

Gindil

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Manicotti said:
Many kudos to Blizzard for defending its property so punitively. And yes, I believe that the folks who wrote and sold these mods deserve to have their lives ruined over it, if only because they were stupid enough to think that they could get away with ruining the property of one of the biggest game companies in the industry.

If someone broke into my house, stole some of my stuff, and then tried to sell it on eBay, you better believe I'd swing a crowbar into his face the moment I found him.
Wow, tangible property being confused with digital property...

It's just like the RIAA suing over music downloads...

The MPAA trying to stop piracy...

Or the Feds taking down websites for links to "copyrighted" files...

Suing over this is nothing. These people are OUT of the jurisdiction of the US and its laws. And no one is ruining the "property" or the universe of Blizzard.

They found and modded the game. All of the stories suggest that it was for single player mainly but Blizzard is destroying their right to the universe because they wanted to cheat outside of what Blizzard wanted. If you can't see anything wrong with that, the control that's enforced in a GAME, I just feel that the world really puts too much emphasis on authoritarian views.
 

LightOfDarkness

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Hacking is modifying existing code which is illegal in the EULA. Blizzard is well within their rights to ban them. They made it worse by selling the code, making profit that they shouldn't have off Blizzard's game, without their permission and so Blizzard is well within their rights to sue them.
 

Ranorak

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Not to mention there are perfectly okay cheats within the game code. Except they disable achievements.
Those trainers work around that, and let you cheat while you still earn those achievements.
those achievements are then used in multiplayer.

Thus those hacks DID cheat multiplayer.
And before you say "But it's just achievements." These people were willing to pay money for them, they do mean something to some people.
 

thedeathscythe

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Since when was Canada overseas?

But I believe the second comment describes it best. I bet if you actually read that license thing games make you read or the legal part of the booklet, it would describe something like this.
 

Sven und EIN HUND

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The banning was fine by me, and this is too, if a bit... Extreme. I guess they're just setting an example, and a good one at that.
 

Tsaba

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well, as long as they don't ask for the first born I don't find it too extreme
 

Exort

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gamepopper101 said:
Wait suing? Shouldn't they be prosecuted hands down and sent to prison for hacking or piracy...or is this Blizzard trying to take the money of possibly weathly (or not) computer hackers?
You really think Blizzard can gain any money from this? Like the hacker have that amount of money... Anyway, you don't get send to prison for piracy, you just need to pay the guy that have the copyright, that is if you got sued.
 

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They also stand accused of encouraging others to infringe upon Blizzard's copyright, because "When users of the Hacks download, install, and use the Hacks, they copy StarCraft II copyrighted content into their computer's RAM in excess of the scope of their limited license, as set forth in the EULA and ToU, and create derivative works of StarCraft II."
Just to be 100% clear, the precise issue that they're being sued for is copyright infringement because the application copies the game into ram.

I sincerely hope this case gets shut down with an exclamation point for that specific reason.