Borderlands: a.k.a. why bother with Fallout 3?

[SquirrelPants]

I think Borderlands and Fallout 3 are both very good games on their own front. I've played a good 40 hours or so of Fallout 3 and eventually got bored of it when I bought a ton of newer games, but it's an excellent game with good replay value...well, kind of. I could see it getting old after the third or fourth time replaying it, honestly, but that's beside the point.

Borderlands looks more my style than Fallout, it being cheery, cartoony, and with co-op gameplay. Procedurally generated enemies and weapons would also do nothing but make it better. Along with that, there are more quests/missions, and the game is more colorful than Fallout.

Fallout 3 is good in its own respects, and I'm sure that Borderlands will be as well. It looks excellent, I can't wait until next Monday.

EDIT: Also Borderlands apparently has more vehicle parts than the average racing game. That seems pretty cool to me.

 

[Kimarous]

The most awesome part of this thread is where you have a Christmas wish list you give to your family, who go out and buy you the things on it.

I get lots of socks for christmas.

I find that really funny because my older brother had the same problem. He currently has two entire drawers worth of socks and begs people to NOT buy him any more. XD

But yeah, I really recommend the creation of wishlists, if only to clarify your interests for those in the dark.

 

[kotorfan04]

I like Fallout's dialogue, okay it wasn't innovative but it brought the joy of Fallout to people who didn't play the older games, and I have to admit I tried playing 1 & 2 and I just couldn't get that far. So yeah I hope Borderlands does well, it looks like a lot of work was put into it. Of course I think a.) Borderlands chances of killing Fallout 3 a game that has been out for a year are rather low and b.) They will both occupy two completely different niches in the market.

Oh and I recommend if you are compiling a video game wish list add Dragon Age: Origins to it and of course get Modern Warfare 2.

 

[Azulito]

You have the attention span of a squirrel if you can't get any replay out of Fallout.

That's a little insultive don't you think?

Just to even it out, it's not because we have 'short attention spans'. It's because we have a life.

There! You deserved that! (Just Kiddin')

In all seriousness though, I'm indifferent. Fallout 3 is a great game and sure, it lacks vehicles but it lacks them for a reason. It would really take you out of the moment; it's hard to be afraid when you're just driving around without care. The roads aren't in decent shape anyway. Personally I feel Fallout 3 doesn't have much replay value. But I am a gamer who just goes for a storyline and I'd replay it if the storyline was satisfying. Sadly the ending wasn't very satisfying for me.

As for Borderlands, I'm not going to defend it nor attack it. It's hard to make judgements on a game that isn't even released. Screenshots are there to attract you and you can't makea judgement based on screenshots. For all you know, the controls may be awful and the combat filled with bugs. I know it's difficult to not get hyped up due to what the game offers, but in all reality, the prospect may be good but the execution of which may be terrible. Who knows, it may be great.

 

[asdasdasdasda]

Eh, I like F3, but, once you hit level 5 or so it just starts becoming incredibly easy. I haven't tried Broken Steel, maybe that's different, seems like it would just make your character more ridiculous though.

Borderlands reminds me of Diablo, tbh. Seems like a mix between Diablo and Fallout. It'll be interesting, but, once again, I hope it doesn't become too easy. The guns will probably end up being incredibly redundant. But we'll have to see. The main reason I'm interested in Borderlands is because of the mainstream'd vid. Heh.

 

[Kimarous]

Oh and I recommend if you are compiling a video game wish list add Dragon Age: Origins to it and of course get Modern Warfare 2.

Dragon Age: Origins was at the very top of my list.

Not really interested in Modern Warfare 2, though. I get enough of that stuff by simply turning on the news.

 

[Flos]

I do not approve of threads where someone speculates about how a game that has yet to be released is superior to a game that's been out for a while. I am a World of Warcraft player. I've seen hundreds of threads like this where the OT looks like a jackass because the game isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch, comrade. Borderlands could be the worst game of the year.

i hope borderlands kills fallout. that series should stay dead. we don't need another sonic, or star wars cashcow.

You're hoping a newly released game is going to kill a game that's not only a year old, but has basically already made all of its profit and has confirmed a sequel. Even though these games can't actually be competing due to Fallout's year lead.

You are super.

 

[Kimarous]

Well why would anyone bother with Fallout 3 for PS3? Without mods F3 sucks. PS3 can't mod so instantly loses.

Because my computer and Fallout 3 don't get along. Besides, I rarely partake of mods anyhow.

 

[Archon_Original]

You have the attention span of a squirrel if you can't get any replay out of Fallout.

That's a little insultive don't you think?

Just to even it out, it's not because we have 'short attention spans'. It's because we have a life.

There! You deserved that! (Just Kiddin')

In all seriousness though, I'm indifferent. Fallout 3 is a great game and sure, it lacks vehicles but it lacks them for a reason. It would really take you out of the moment; it's hard to be afraid when you're just driving around without care. The roads aren't in decent shape anyway. Personally I feel Fallout 3 doesn't have much replay value. But I am a gamer who just goes for a storyline and I'd replay it if the storyline was satisfying. Sadly the ending wasn't very satisfying for me.

As for Borderlands, I'm not going to defend it nor attack it. It's hard to make judgements on a game that isn't even released. Screenshots are there to attract you and you can't makea judgement based on screenshots. For all you know, the controls may be awful and the combat filled with bugs. I know it's difficult to not get hyped up due to what the game offers, but in all reality, the prospect may be good but the execution of which may be terrible. Who knows, it may be great.

I Agree, comparing them now is stupid! They will both be very different experiences!
Although, if you are claiming you are somehow gaining different experiences from fallout 3 the 5th time, you are a liar, or (as above) need to get a life! fallout 3 was good fun, for the first Several hours. the main thing that it lacked was pace and story to draw me in, i found. The characters and dialogue were as bad as oblivion! If a game has successfully created good, believable characters, you should feel bad about hurting or killing them undeservedly! it took me about 5 mins to turn to violence wiping out the town of atom...and it only made me angry cos the kids were invincible!! Someone mentioned on one of these threads that fallout 3 was realistic, thats an eyebrow twisting statement if i ever heard one!

Sorry if im sounding like im just bashing fallout 3! I enjoyed it and it was rather fun, although in my opinion it was not as good as it couldve been and the hype around it has too many people rushing to its defence just because its very possibly the best game of its niche! We should look at what could be in this niche, i think there is plenty of room for a better game of the same sort with borderlands not being the same sort!
I was drawn on to these threads while waiting for a zero punctuation video to load, as im sure many of you were too! He is the harshest critic around, but there is a lot of sense in his reviews!- There are so few well-polished games out there! Games you can play, enjoy every minute of, and give you a warm and fuzzy feeling inside when you complete them! His favourite, Portal for instance. It may have been short but was great fun and well polished! Most games these days i think raise the bar too high and dont deliver whole heartedly in the end, be it cos they are full of bugs or just were not as good as people were expecting! (didnt tick all the boxes!). I personally have high hopes for borderlands as a fun fast paced game to get together with your freinds with the "art style" allowing more focus on gameplay and re-playability! I hope it delivers!

The worst thing about these "discussion threads" is that it can create divides. for instance this thread may push hard-core fallout 3 fans in to wanting to dislike borderlands before its even out!! So come on guys! lets agree these two games will be very different experiences! fallout 3 having been something to explore and enjoy on your own with a nit of sand-box playaround thrown in. Borderlands should be a great fast paced multiplayer for you and your freinds to create your own "gang" and loot the planet for all its worth!

Someone mentioned dragon age: origins, i felt inclined to stop watching the teaser video at the point where the EA symbol appeared, but i watched them all! i mainly noticed how none of them gave any hint as to the gameplay! just some fancy cool action scenes! im reserving judgement until its out but my hopes are not so high. Hope it plays like that dragon fight video though!

 

[Woodsey]

They're nothing alike, and since you're not paying, why not get both since you wanted Fallout anyway?

Thus, the Woodsinator has ended another of life's bum-fondling dilemmas.

 

[VanityGirl]

rage, im not sure when its even coming out, so does it even count yet?

Probably not, there's not enough info out on it yet. I'd wait till you get more info, since the game's not releasing until 2010, the devs might make changes. (Though from the pics and what I've read so far, it seems good, but as we know early news can be misleading)


ON Topic:
I dunno. I bought Fallout 3 and throughly enjoyed it. I'll be picking up Borderlands tomorrow. I think Fallout 3 may require more tactical thinking and ammo conservation than Borderlands. Actually, I'm going to just throw it out there, Borderlands seems more dumbed down than Fallout.
I'm not saying Fallout's better, but I'm saying that I think Fallout may be more intense, but I'm also basing this on commercials, game play videos, ect. I have no actually played Borderlands, so I cannot say if it's gold or garbage.

But, that being said. The OP is telling us that a game that will not be released until tomorrow is better than Fallout.
I would say, OP, that you should wait until the general community gets their hands on the game and see what they say about it before making your judgement. There's been many games that seem awesome, then turn out to be kind of boring.


Think of this scenario, you put Borderlands on your wishlist tpday and hand it to your family, well when Borderlands releases, many people say it was overhyped and garbage. You now have to wait two months to recieve a game you know will be garbage.


I would say, you should probably wait and see what people say tomorrow. That's generally your safest bet. Then after you read what people have to say about it, then make your list.

 

[jamesworkshop]

I don't think Fallout 3 and borderlands are really suitable as a comparison

Fallout 3 is a very western style RPG with multipul dialogue choices like Bauldur's Gate/Gothic/mass effect Story is far more engaging than the gameplay.

Borderlands is really the Diablo series with guns it's a heavy Action RPG but as the primary mechanic is FPS with a greater emphasis on player skill than behind the scenes number driven
story is linear with pre-defined characters (with diablo skill trees) and no dialoge choices again like Diablo.

 

[Jupsto]

you make good points, but still think fallout 3 deserves a bit more credit. when the GOTY edition gets cheap i'll buy that and replay it through, but yeah I don't think replay value is actually that great.

I played it through twice first as good doing main story only, second as bad guy doing all the sub quests/exploring/extra content making perfect character. still that sunk a HECK of alot of time so you still cant dis it. but yeah if you already done fallout 3 to death why wouldn't borderlands be way better?

also getting oblivion soonish and gona replay this time with all DLC and maybe even again but with a shit ton of mods.

PS: lies, you can never have enough socks.

 

[dthvirus]

Replay Fallout Triple on Very Hard with Unarmed as your only attack skill. It put the survival horror back in the game for me.

 

[Icehearted]

Fallout 3, with all the mods and whistles, still appeals to me immensely, even if I refused to love it before because it wasn't at all like 1 & 2. It's a fun game with alot of possibilities.

I don't bother with previews or hype, since it tends to disappoint, but Borderlands does sound pretty intriguing. My guess is they're nothing alike other than certain elements like guns and shooting (but even that plays very differently), and possibly some thematic similarities. Perhaps the comparison is a bit of apples and oranges here?

 

[TPiddy]

Fallout was fabulous, but it did fall short of Oblivion. I only felt the need to play fallout twice, and I logged 60 hours doing so, where was Oblivion easily put me over 100, though that could have been due to the fact that there was far less competition for my time when Oblivion was out .

As for Borderlands, the key difference between the two is, and always will be, co-op. Borderlands is going to be a completely different kind of fun from Fallout 3. If you really want to compare Fallout to something, compare it to the upcoming Dragon Age, they are the most similar titles in game play and scope.

Borderlands.... well, there really isn't anything like Borderlands out... I'd say Mass Effect, but even that was very story-driven single player action. Borderlands looks like Diablo meets Halo, and since I am a fan of both games I'm sure I'll like Borderlands unless it plays like ass.

 

[Archon_Original]

I'm going to just throw it out there, Borderlands seems more dumbed down than Fallout.
I'm not saying Fallout's better, but I'm saying that I think Fallout may be more intense, but I'm also basing this on commercials, game play videos, ect. I have no actually played Borderlands, so I cannot say if it's gold or garbage.

But, that being said. The OP is telling us that a game that will not be released until tomorrow is better than Fallout.
I would say, OP, that you should wait until the general community gets their hands on the game and see what they say about it before making your judgement. There's been many games that seem awesome, then turn out to be kind of boring.


Think of this scenario, you put Borderlands on your wishlist tpday and hand it to your family, well when Borderlands releases, many people say it was overhyped and garbage. You now have to wait two months to recieve a game you know will be garbage.


I would say, you should probably wait and see what people say tomorrow. That's generally your safest bet. Then after you read what people have to say about it, then make your list.

Could you explain how you think fallout 3 could be more intense?! Thats certainly one thing i fail to see becoming likely! That was what fallout 3 lacked most! It was rarely ever intense! only when your were in the middle an enemy zone with only your BB gun left with ammo, enimies at every corner!
so far it seems that everyone agrees borderlands will be more of a shooter and less of an RPG compared to F3. FPS are always more intense than RPG's! so that plus the fact its more colourful, vibrant and faster paced means that in comparing their combat systems we all surely expect borderlands will be more intense. outside combat= borderlands should offer combat customisation through customisable vehicles and countless weapons and loot since we expect a largly more combat based game, whereas F3 has the more in depth RPG side to it, with a story and bland, uninteresting, shallow attempts at characters!

If fallout 3 ends up being more intense that borderlands, il know ive wasted my money!

As for the Xmas list! yes thats defo the best suggestion so far! wait two weeks b4 handing your family your Xmas list! but since you already have fallout 3 for the pc i would suggest thinking of borderlands as a strong possibility and another different game you might fancy! like left 4 dead 2! cos if theres a strapping young lad out there who doesnt like the idea of him and his freinds using shotguns and chainsaw's to frying pans against hordes of zombies, there is something wrong with him!!

 

[TPiddy]

Dragon Age: Origins was at the very top of my list.

Not really interested in Modern Warfare 2, though. I get enough of that stuff by simply turning on the news.

Amen! I fail to see the appeal of a war game based in reality. WWII sims I get and understand as there's an appeal to the historical accuracy and recreation of the era. I understand the appeal of a war game that's not based in reality at all. But why, would you want to play a GAME that simulates what some people are going through right now?

Also, I like my game to feel like a game and when I get shot and die in one hit it's a little too real for my liking.