British sniper kills 2 insurgents from a mile and half away

[DigitalSushi]

When the acts in question are as complicated and secretive as this, your opinion may not be totally invalid, but it is so loosely connected to any reality as to be completely uninformed.

Being uniformed doesn't mean its invalid.

ColdStorage, please think about what you just said for a few minutes. It is truly one of the most ridiculous things that I have ever read.

I saw it but kept it in for shits and giggles, if you notice I didn't misplel it a second time... also I'm French so English grammar isn't my strong point.
and anyway...
Dude its my birthday, I'm allowed to make spelling mistakes.

Also Opera's spleling function is broken, stupid Opera browser and its brilliantly fast browsing speeds.

 

[Tarrou]

This shit just became serious!, I've got my bow and sword ready, have at you Tarrou! *slaps Tarrou with white glove*

ten paces ?

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill, but sure

How's about 1200 paces sound?

My favorite duel story, a rather pugnacious 19th century texan, who was about 5'4" challenged a 6'5" blacksmith to a duel. As challenged, the blacksmith set the terms. He picked hammers, in six feet of water. Priceless.

 

[DigitalSushi]

And I have been told by a buddy that at that distance with a 50 Cal bullet, due to the air it pushes up it wouldn't even have to hit you to kill you, is this true?

actually an urban myth, it is a pretty massive bullet but it still is just a chunk of lead flying your way, not some magic missile. it actually is a rather slow round. if it will hit you, it will cause damage, obviously, but if it doesn't, you were lucky.

source: boyfriend^^ who was a sharpshooter for the german jäger command (rangers)

Fair enough.

Though the buddy who told me it does is a sniper for the Irish army. So maybe they live in two alternate realities?

i would not know really^^ has your friend ever been issued any ordonance in that caliber? i have been told the Irish Defence Force would use the AI96 chambered in 7,62x51mm, though that is just what i heared and i might be wrong and they do use something chambered in 12.7x99mm (or .50 as our non-metric escapists would say^^)

allright, there is only one way to settle this once and for all! we need a pig, a rifle and lots of empty space...^^

(phones Bobby Kotick)

I just noticed it was you... haven't seen you round these parts in while!

real life has been kicking in, said boyfriend actually showed himself for a while so obviously no time for the escapist. but i vow improvement on the time i spend with my favorite nerd-base^^


i think i found something on the interwebs that makes sense, so maybe we can let bobby kotick live for this one. someone said:

The only way a bullet will ever hurt you is by hitting you. The lack of destructive shockwave is clearly evideny when shooting paper targets. The holes in the paper are caliber sized and no additional damage to the target is seen.
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:-VhkUe_PlUjmjM:http...mg/asrul50st100a.JPG
(note clean target holes)

If shockwave effect existed for the .50 it should exist for all other bullets traveling at the same speed. Note that 30-06 and .50 BMG have similar muzzle velocities difference in bullet diamter is less than .2".

makes sense if you ask me. so...maybe we can test the myth wether a .50 bmg can rip a man in half then! *desperately searches for an excuse to shoot at bobby kottig with a huge ass rifle*

Wow, if I was your boyfriend I'd ask you to marry me.

Something about destructive force* from a girl that just makes it sexy.

*with regards to bullet penetration** for all you dirty minded sods out there

**no, just no, thats not what I meant.

 

[Kathinka]

-= large snip =-

Wow, if I was your boyfriend I'd ask you to marry me.

Something about destructive force* from a girl that just makes it sexy.

*with regards to bullet penetration** for all you dirty minded sods out there

**no, just no, thats not what I meant.

it's not really that i'm destructive, actually i'm an rather peacefull person. i just would really like the chance to fuck kottigs shit up^^

 

[DigitalSushi]

-= large snip =-

Wow, if I was your boyfriend I'd ask you to marry me.

Something about destructive force* from a girl that just makes it sexy.

*with regards to bullet penetration** for all you dirty minded sods out there

**no, just no, thats not what I meant.

it's not really that i'm destructive, actually i'm an rather peacefull person. i just would really like the chance to fuck kottigs shit up^^

Even better!

Will you marry me?, together we can rule over the internet as er mm erm erm, (Miracle help me out here)... we can rule as Sniper and Spotter!

Was that good flirting?

 

[mexicola]

Pretty god damn amazing. The second terrorist must be quite stupid. If i saw my friend get shot without even hearing or seeing where it came from i wouldnt get straight up and stand where he just was.

So all those AI opponents WERE acting realistically, a lot of games just gained more respect in my eyes.

OP: That does sound pretty impressive.

 

[Kathinka]

-= large snip =-

Wow, if I was your boyfriend I'd ask you to marry me.

Something about destructive force* from a girl that just makes it sexy.

*with regards to bullet penetration** for all you dirty minded sods out there

**no, just no, thats not what I meant.

it's not really that i'm destructive, actually i'm an rather peacefull person. i just would really like the chance to fuck kottigs shit up^^

Even better!

Will you marry me?, together we can rule over the internet as er mm erm erm, (Miracle help me out here)... we can rule as Sniper and Spotter!

Was that good flirting?

sorry to disappoint ;P no i won't, and no, it wasn't^^

 

[Cameron Baxter]

its ok those terrorists will respawn in a minute and go back to the noob lobbies as apposed to pro mod

 

[DigitalSushi]

-= large snip =-

Wow, if I was your boyfriend I'd ask you to marry me.

Something about destructive force* from a girl that just makes it sexy.

*with regards to bullet penetration** for all you dirty minded sods out there

**no, just no, thats not what I meant.

it's not really that i'm destructive, actually i'm an rather peacefull person. i just would really like the chance to fuck kottigs shit up^^

Even better!

Will you marry me?, together we can rule over the internet as er mm erm erm, (Miracle help me out here)... we can rule as Sniper and Spotter!

Was that good flirting?

sorry to disappoint ;P no i won't, and no, it wasn't^^

Ok fine, I'll be the spotter!

Its not how I roll but I'm willing to take it for the team, oh and I'll put the toilet seat down, promise.

 

[Irridium]

Sure he pulled of some amazing shots, but he still lives in a camper-van ;P

 

[Sovvolf]

Torrou's Sniper jargon

Well, I think I'll give this the best post of the month sticker.

Now back to topic, this was posted about a month ago (I think but can't be too sure) so a little old news at this point. Good shot though... really good shot.

 

[stabnex]

I ever meet this man, I'm shaking his hand and buying a round for the whole bar in his honor.

/salute

 

[Lancer723]

knocked out the Canadian's record by just under 200ft. Good on ya.

So the standings are:
First = Britain
Second = Canada
Third = USA?

It actually makes a lot of sense, the armed forces of most of the developed nations use .50 caliber rifles as their long range/elite sniper rifles and almost all of these rifles are bolt-action. The U.S. military is the exception, using primarily the Barrett .50 cal which is markedly less accurate than other .50 cal rifles. The Barrett is semi-automatic though, so it's sacrificing the extreme accuracy and ranges of more than a mile for more versatility in the rifle.

Honestly all .50 caliber rifles can get the job done, I suppose it just depends on what the philosophy is.

 

[Treblaine]

If we are to believe the source's accuracy the shot with a .338 caliber is really extra-ordinary as a round of that size does not have the cross-sectional density, velocity and sheer weight to be less affected by the affect of wind, bullet drop, deceleration and the dozens of other factors that make a 2.5 kilometre shot so hard.

I would have said this was just down to luck as at longer ranges you have a wider and wider "circular area probable" where the bullet will randomly hit anywhere inside the circle and the circle may be many times larger than the target. But two targets hit at the same range and the same time indicates this was not just a lucky hit but likely a mix of extraordinary skill and very favourable conditions (low to no wind, ideal elevation, well zeroed in advance).

Eat your heart out Hutch, Optic and T-Squared.... this is a real pro-sniper.

Found this little news article which I thought I would share with you guys:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/sniper_kills_qaeda_from_mi_away_sTm0xFUmJNal3HgWlmEgRL#ixzz0nXUaKZbo

(source says kill made with Accuracy International L11583

Bloody useless journalists, I really do worry about journalism when they fail to fact check these things, there is no such weapon in the British Military that has the "L11583"

However, there is the L115A3 Long Range Rifle.

It's pretty clear what happened, the journalist was literally told the account by mouth and heard "Elle One-One-Five AAAY-Three" as "Elle-one-one-five AAYGHT(8)-Three".

This is a much better source, the ORIGINAL source:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/afghanistan/article7113916.ece

This goes into much more detail taking ad getting verified quotes from the sniper, spotter, the commanding officer and accuracy international, the company that actually makes the rifle.

Everyone else seems to be quoting from it can a Google search of "L11583" shows all the derivative sources from NYPost that all made the same mistake and similar lack of detail.

It's like bloody Chinese whispers the way news spreads online.

 

[happysock]

Skill is required that's not up for discussion,

However,

1) Technology is available
-so this is really not that impressive-
2) No visible muzzle flash
3) No shot sound
-Will allow plenty of trial and error shots-

i mean kudos to the shooter, but that doesn't make him the best sniper.

Someones obviously never fired a gun of any sort before then, most people find it difficult to hit a target about 500 meters away, so this really is that impressive considering the amount of variable factors that have to be taken into account.

 

[era81]

We where in the Arma mountains the day Furlong made his shot.

 

[Slayer_2]

I've never fired a real rifle with a scope, but when I was using a scope on a high-powered pellet gun, I had trouble lining up the cross-hairs, and my farthest shot was about 50 meters into a 2x1 meter target.

Even in a video-game (Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising), I have trouble hitting a target from 600 meters with a Barrett M82.

 

[Treblaine]

knocked out the Canadian's record by just under 200ft. Good on ya.

So the standings are:
First = Britain
Second = Canada
Third = USA?

It actually makes a lot of sense, the armed forces of most of the developed nations use .50 caliber rifles as their long range/elite sniper rifles and almost all of these rifles are bolt-action. The U.S. military is the exception, using primarily the Barrett .50 cal which is markedly less accurate than other .50 cal rifles. The Barrett is semi-automatic though, so it's sacrificing the extreme accuracy and ranges of more than a mile for more versatility in the rifle.

Honestly all .50 caliber rifles can get the job done, I suppose it just depends on what the philosophy is.

True, Barrett M82 is accurate... but not accurate as it could be, though in international trials it is apparently loved for how soft the recoil is relative to it's power thanks to it's:
-great weight
-short-recoil based mechanism
-very large muzzle-blast compensator

See a bolt action .50BMG with no shock absorbers would need to be way too heavy to fire comfortably, and the whole point of bolt-action is lightweight but you CAN'T have a light weight .50BMG as it needs to be quite heavy to absorb the recoil. I don't think you can just "tough it through" recoil of that magnitude, it will just make you numb and unable to be accurate.

I don't think it would be unreasonable for .338 to be considered a superior long range cartridge as you can realistically fire it from a light and solidly built bolt action rifle, with no "squishiness" from recoiling or shock absorbing components, even though on paper it has inferior ballistic performance to a .50BMG round.

I think the key is balancing the need for a high performance cartridge, with the limitations of the human body and the need for a "solid" weapon (read: no recoil mechanism, just solid bolt action). Maybe that is where the British Army were right on the money with choosing .338 as their largest sniper-cartridge; less is more.

But as to the countries respective scores, another issue is how notoriously secretive special forces are, we have no idea the kind of kills that the SAS, SBS, Delta, Navy SEALS, or whoever have achieved and likely will not know till at least 5 years after the fighting in Afghanistan is well over and done with and IMO we are more than 5 years away from even that.

 

[era81]

knocked out the Canadian's record by just under 200ft. Good on ya.

So the standings are:
First = Britain
Second = Canada
Third = USA?

Gunny.Carlos Hathcock