Brothers, sisters! Let us resolve the hardcore debate!

[fletch_talon]

However, your use of the plural 'people' and reference to 'when' suggests that I'm not the first person who has told you to chill so it may be that you do come across as (passive) agressive even if you don't realise. Just a thought, coming from a good place.

Peace and love.

Whilst I appreciate the thought, I used the plural because I didn't intend for it to be overly personal. I could have said "when you tell me to chill" but that sounds too much like I've had an encounter with you on previous occasions with similar outcomes.
I suppose I could have said "I don't appreciate being told to chill" but that's perhaps too formal for the overall point I'm trying to make.

No matter, as I've already stated I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be a debate in the first place, as are some other escapists (shown by previous posts). I think a lot of us are sick of hearing people complain about stupid casual gamers ruining the industry, or people claiming that you have to meet a certain requirement to be considered hardcore.

We've got too many arguments as there is and proposing a test to see how hardcore someone is only encourages this particular debate.
We've already got:
-PC vs Console
-Windows vs Mac vs Linux
-Wii vs Xbox + PS3 + PC
-Xbox vs PS3
-Game/Developer fan vs Game/Developer hater
-Christian vs Atheist vs Agnostic

Not to mention people criticising Americans for supposedly being dumb and Australia for supposedly being China 2.0 (the supposedly is there to indicate people who think this are morons).
The point is that the best way to solve this debate is to ignore it and wait till it is forgotten. This one's relatively young, we'll probably never eradicate racism, but we can stop gamerism before it really takes off.

Alright we can't really, its already become a part of the culture the best people like me can do is interject on casual vs hardcore debates and chant down with labels up with gamers until I realise nobody cares and then leave.

 

[moose_man]

How many Pokemon are there?

493, or 488 if you don't count Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Deoxys, or Arceus.

 

[almostnot]

However, your use of the plural 'people' and reference to 'when' suggests that I'm not the first person who has told you to chill so it may be that you do come across as (passive) agressive even if you don't realise. Just a thought, coming from a good place.

Peace and love.

Whilst I appreciate the thought, I used the plural because I didn't intend for it to be overly personal. I could have said "when you tell me to chill" but that sounds too much like I've had an encounter with you on previous occasions with similar outcomes.
I suppose I could have said "I don't appreciate being told to chill" but that's perhaps too formal for the overall point I'm trying to make.

No matter, as I've already stated I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be a debate in the first place, as are some other escapists (shown by previous posts). I think a lot of us are sick of hearing people complain about stupid casual gamers ruining the industry, or people claiming that you have to meet a certain requirement to be considered hardcore.

We've got too many arguments as there is and proposing a test to see how hardcore someone is only encourages this particular debate.
We've already got:
-PC vs Console
-Windows vs Mac vs Linux
-Wii vs Xbox + PS3 + PC
-Xbox vs PS3
-Game/Developer fan vs Game/Developer hater
-Christian vs Atheist vs Agnostic

Not to mention people criticising Americans for supposedly being dumb and Australia for supposedly being China 2.0 (the supposedly is there to indicate people who think this are morons).
The point is that the best way to solve this debate is to ignore it and wait till it is forgotten. This one's relatively young, we'll probably never eradicate racism, but we can stop gamerism before it really takes off.

Alright we can't really, its already become a part of the culture the best people like me can do is interject on casual vs hardcore debates and chant down with labels up with gamers until I realise nobody cares and then leave.

Forget my second post. You still need to chill. You're highlighting the fact that you and some people don't think the debate is necessary, which if fine, totally respect your opinion, but you're ignoring the fact that a lot of other people, including myself and other posters are interested in it. If you aint interested in the debate you don't have to join in. I personally think it's important and am interested in other people's opinions. Live and let live, k?

 

[miscelaneous]

I want to be a casual gamer though! Regardless of how much I play, how good I am, what games I play... I'm a casual gamer in attitude (read: I play for fun), I don't want to be hardcore!

Here! Here!

How many Pokemon are there?

151... dont any one tell me other wise.

Sounds about right to me.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

you have to have a sub genre of hardcore gamer for it to work

like hardcore strategizer

or hardcore shooter

there is no way to really be just hardcore

plus i fucking hate that term, if you game then your a gamer, i hate elitist pricks like that

 

[Aesthetical Quietus]

How many Pokemon are there?

The true answer is that there is no answer.

 

[almostnot]

I want to be a casual gamer though! Regardless of how much I play, how good I am, what games I play... I'm a casual gamer in attitude (read: I play for fun), I don't want to be hardcore!

Here! Here!

It's a very good point. There seems to be some idea that Hardcore=good and casual=bad, possibly because of the shovelware associations with the latter via the Wii. Nice to see people who are proud to be casual gamers and celebrate their playing for fun.

 

[JoshGod]

i thought it was based on time put in to gaming.

If you put all the hours you had into playing The Powerpuff Girls game for the PS1 would you be a hardcore gamer?

yes, i mean putting all your hours into anything would make you hardcore. ulld have to be hardcore to play any game with every second.

 

[fletch_talon]

Forget my second post. You still need to chill. You're highlighting the fact that you and some people don't think the debate is necessary, which if fine, totally respect your opinion, but you're ignoring the fact that a lot of other people, including myself and other posters are interested in it. If you aint interested in the debate you don't have to join in. I personally think it's important and am interested in other people's opinions. Live and let live, k?

So essentially you're saying that my argument regarding the debate is invalid. Your post is equivalent to a debate regarding the existence of God, which agnostics aren't allowed to join in on.

The debate here is regarding the use and definition of the terms Hardcore and Casual, some people think hardcore gamers can't play Wii games, others disagree, those are their opinions. You seem to be suggesting that my opinion, that the terms are not needed and are unnecessarily creating conflict within a pre-existing group, is forbidden from your thread because you disagree.

 

[Palademon]

Eh...

I'm not sure this'll work. It's very difficult to define hardcore gamer. Some might think they're hardcore because they play nothing but Call Of Duty and have a high K/D ratio. Some might think they're hardcore because they've spent 13 hours straight playing Civ 4 on hardest. Some might think they're hardcore because they managed to get 5 Stars on expert on every song in Rock Band 2. Some might think they're hardcore because they managed to beat every Myst game without using a walkthrough.

There's not really any way I can think of to make a test that doesn't exclude at least one legitimate gaming group. It's an admirable idea, but I'd need some hefty convincing it'll work.

I dont think anyone can be considered a hardcore GAMER, by just claiming they're good at the ONE GAME they play.

 

[oktalist]

Name both of the creators of Elite and the name of the computer it was created for.

David Braben. Ian Bell. BBC Micro. I know this because I am a huge fan of Elite.

Which platform was Tetris created for?

(last one should filter out the people using wikipedia)

Elektronika 60. I found this out from Wikipedia.

Whatever hardcore is, it is not having an encyclopaedic knowledge of gaming trivia.

EDIT: Personally I think a hardcore gamer is anyone who is prepared to claim they are a hardcore gamer. But I wouldn't use the term myself to describe anyone.

 

[almostnot]

Forget my second post. You still need to chill. You're highlighting the fact that you and some people don't think the debate is necessary, which if fine, totally respect your opinion, but you're ignoring the fact that a lot of other people, including myself and other posters are interested in it. If you aint interested in the debate you don't have to join in. I personally think it's important and am interested in other people's opinions. Live and let live, k?

So essentially you're saying that my argument regarding the debate is invalid. Your post is equivalent to a debate regarding the existence of God, which agnostics aren't allowed to join in on.

The debate here is regarding the use and definition of the terms Hardcore and Casual, some people think hardcore gamers can't play Wii games, others disagree, those are their opinions. You seem to be suggesting that my opinion, that the terms are not needed and are unnecessarily creating conflict within a pre-existing group, is forbidden from your thread because you disagree.

At the moment I think you're just taking up thread space and spoiling for a fight.

It seems more that you are joining a debate about the existence of God that no-one has barred you from and are happily sitting in the corner with your arms folding shouting "Who cares?" in an increasingly higher and irritable voice.

 

[almostnot]

i thought it was based on time put in to gaming.

If you put all the hours you had into playing The Powerpuff Girls game for the PS1 would you be a hardcore gamer?

yes, i mean putting all your hours into anything would make you hardcore. ulld have to be hardcore to play any game with every second.

I suppose it depends if you think Hardcore is a badge of honour of a wreath of shame...lol

 

[DSK-]

I don't think this (IE an exam) is a good idea. Case in point there are many questions in the quiz's on this site which I have no idea about. I wasn't fortunate in my younger years for my family to be able to afford the old consoles like NES, SNES and Megadrive and had limited experience with them through my friends.

 

[almostnot]

you have to have a sub genre of hardcore gamer for it to work

like hardcore strategizer

or hardcore shooter

there is no way to really be just hardcore

plus i fucking hate that term, if you game then your a gamer, i hate elitist pricks like that

I think you might be on to something with the sub genres. On the elitist prick point are you against elitism generally or just within gaming? Don't you distinguish between game developers you think are good and those you think are poor?

 

[fletch_talon]

At the moment I think you're just taking up thread space and spoiling for a fight.

It seems more that you are joining a debate about the existence of God that no-one has barred you from and are happily sitting in the corner with your arms folding shouting "Who cares?" in an increasingly higher and irritable voice.

well I think its rather ironic to accuse me of "spoiling for a fight" when I was quite content to simply post my opinion and leave before being told I needed to "chill" due to being "(passive) aggressive".

You then claim that my analogy is wrong because in fact haven't been told to keep my opinion to myself, despite your previous post heavily implying that I do so.

What I am "shouting" for the record, is not "Who cares?" it is another opinion on the topic at hand. Everyone here has a different opinion as to how wide the gap is between the hardcore and casual ends of the gaming spectrum, my opinion is that that there is no gap, no spectrum and that a gamer is a gamer provided they enjoy gaming.

Now there are plenty of other people posting the same opinion, so why not go bother them for a while instead of giving the supposed troll (as implied by the quoted post) reason to keep trolling.

 

[almostnot]

I don't think this (IE an exam) is a good idea. Case in point there are many questions in the quiz's on this site which I have no idea about. I wasn't fortunate in my younger years for my family to be able to afford the old consoles like NES, SNES and Megadrive and had limited experience with them through my friends.

The counter argument from the Council of Hardcore (that's not me by the way, I'm just playing devil's advocate) would say you could read about them on Wikipedia or up the old consoles to play the games. As an alternative you can play a lot of old games via online download such as the Virtual Console. IMHO I think knowing about older games and sometimes the developers behind them can help you to make informed choices about the new games to buy. (John Romero being one of the exceptions to this rule)

 

[Mr.Kitetsu]

nothing defines a hardcore gamer.absolutely nothing.
for the sake of argument lets say there are hardcore gamers if there were:
its a delusion, when you've sunk enough time time into a game to a point
were they feel separation is necessary

 

[almostnot]

nothing defines a hardcore gamer.absolutely nothing.
for the sake of argument lets say there are hardcore gamers if there were:
its a delusion, when you've sunk enough time time into a game to a point
were they feel separation is necessary

What kind of seperation? Have you got any specific game in mind?