"But it's not natural!"

[smearyllama]

Aren't there a LOT of species that practice homosexual behaviour? So that voids that right there.

Yup. You haven't lived until you get to see your dog show his superiority over your aunt's dog, who he's never met before, by humping him in the front hallway.

OT: OP, you are correct in every way. It's not the worst case of bigotry, but it's probably the stupidest out there.

 

[AlexWinter]

Something only defy's nature when it shoots lasers and enters other dimensions.

I can imagine the personification of Mother Nature when that event happens...

"What! Lasers! What the hell do you humans think you're doing!

"Err, nothing, we're just gonna go into this portal over here, for no reason..."

"What portal!? What the fuck are you guys doing!"

I just tried to like this.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Something only defy's nature when it shoots lasers and enters other dimensions.

I can imagine the personification of Mother Nature when that event happens...

"What! Lasers! What the hell do you humans think you're doing!

"Err, nothing, we're just gonna go into this portal over here, for no reason..."

"What portal!? What the fuck are you guys doing!"

I just tried to like this.

'Like'? You mean Facebook style?

 

[Giest4life]

I know a really good Nietzsche quote that fit here, but I can't be arsed to look it up in the The Gay Science. And I know Imma find a mutilated one for it on the internet. But basically, there is no rule in nature that nature at some point does not defy herself.

 

[silver wolf009]

Also, for fun: Some species cannibalize their own young! So it's natural and therefore good.

Even more fun, almost every carniverous speices will scavange their own dead. Isn't that just... Fun?

OT: (My definition) To defy nature, is to do something so wrong to us, such a taboo from our deepest level of DNA, so horrible, that noone thinks of it as alright. As you can imagine, not many things fall under this category.

 

[AlexWinter]

Something only defy's nature when it shoots lasers and enters other dimensions.

I can imagine the personification of Mother Nature when that event happens...

"What! Lasers! What the hell do you humans think you're doing!

"Err, nothing, we're just gonna go into this portal over here, for no reason..."

"What portal!? What the fuck are you guys doing!"

I just tried to like this.

'Like'? You mean Facebook style?

Yes Sir.

OT: I agree with whatever is possible is natural but I'll never be alright with paedophiles. Tolerate them until they break the law. Homosexuality, GM crops, cloning, flying, yeah whatever, qué bien!

I'm not sure if that's being intolerant but I know that if any 50-year-old guy touched my kid I'd want them destroyed. And I wouldn't want them anywhere around children. But that's in the same way I wouldn't want anyone round my children at such a young age with sinful thoughts.

Yeah that's right Escapist. I called them sinful. Wanna fight about it?

 

[Verlander]

My thoughts? I agree. Basically. We aren't "defying nature", we make our own nature. It's like saying that we defy destiny, or some other artificial concept

 

[Altorin]

nothing is unnatural.

everything that happens doesn't break the natural laws. They finesse them perhaps, but in that vein LOTS of things finesse natural laws. Like people have said, surgery, medicine, lots of stuff like that. It's not "unnatural". Nature is everything. It's the "nature" of the world around us. If something is unnatural, that means that it breaks nature's laws. Heaven and Hell are unnatural. Bags of Holding are unnatural. Gay Butt Sex is not unnatural, because nothing unnatural really occurs. If something did, gay butt sex would open the gateway to the magical land of narnia.

 

[MassiveGeek]

I don't believe there is something that is "unnatural" in that sense.

Because everything is part of nature. So by that standard everything is natural. And well, I personally think that's a good standard. Also, even if there as a such a thing as "unnatural", who says it's a bad thing?

 

[CarpathianMuffin]

I see nothing wrong with 'defying nature' in these regards. In some respect we really aren't, since everything that allows us to defy it comes right from nature. So nature's giving us free reign to defy it. Really, people are smart enough as a whole to know when something's harmful and that they shouldn't do it. Which is also natural.

 

[CrystalShadow]

Its been a while since we had pedophile thread.

Carry on.

Social attitudes are also a product of nature. Humans, as a community, are far more productive when they don't have injuries (physical or otherwise). Being sexually exploited at a young age will most likely effect a child in a very negative way. This is bad, hence, we dislike it and shun it.

I'm not getting too deep into this topic, simply because I'm not qualified enough to have any ideas that haven't already been stated (and stated a lot better).

Um, yes. Problem is, being sexually exploited is bad in general, and will mess up adults too.
Yet that isn't taken as seriously. (Look at how ambivalent our reaction to rape cases can be.)

 

[EGtodd09]

"It's not natural."

This has been as the basis of many arguments (especially regarding homosexuality) and, for me at least, seems very hypocritical and sometimes even completely wrong (bear with me, I'll try and explain).

Humans 'defy nature' every single day, millions of people are alive who would have otherwise died if not for that pesky medical science. We fly hundreds of thousands of miles every year, what? You thought only animals with wings could fly? Poppycock! We've shown that blasted pidgeon who's boss! We grow food (plant and otherwise) in quantities far beyond what is capable in a natural environment. I'm sure many of you can offer other examples of 'defying nature'.

Now, to the other part of my argument. Everything we are and everything we will ever be is because of nature. We are never 'defying nature' because nature allowed humans to develop to a point where we can do all the things stated above, 'defying nature' would mean that we could simply ignore elements of it, which we all know is impossible. We can't ignore gravity, no matter how hard we want to. We adapt to nature, we develop the tools necessary to get around these things, which is wholly permitted by nature.

I know this argument doesn't seem particularly refined, and you're welcome to criticise my thought process where you see fit. What is your opinion on the topic of 'defying nature'?

this man speaks the truth, massively. Don't be so doubtful of yourself man, you're one of the few people in this world that look at the whole picture and really think about shit. I wholeheartedly agree, humans are a product of nature, and so anything we do is natural.

 

[Mr Shrike]

Someone used the "it's not natural" argument against me a while back.

I told him that flying to Spain isn't natural either.

 

[LikeDustInTheWind]

Usually if someone tells me that something isn't natural, I ask them what car they drive. Sometimes it shuts them up and sometimes they don't get it. It's pretty funny both ways.

 

[EGtodd09]

When we say we 'Defy Nature,' we are usually referring to our ability to do things that no other organism can. Nature can sustain nuclear reaction: organisms shouldn't be able to. nature can forge steel and raise mountains: organisms shouldn't be able to do this.

So by that logic, the development of language is unnatural? ANY argument about what humans do that is unnatural is just a blatant lie, don't try to make it seem any more truthful than i already is, which, like I said, is a blatant lie.

 

[CrystalShadow]

well, what about things like hardcore drugs that don't occur naturally in the world? cause weed and shrooms (i believe) are natural drugs. as well as alcohol and tabacco. so what about herion and meth and what not. I realized they use Opium is a plant and used in such drugs. any thoughts?

Most drugs are the active ingredient from a plant. - They're artificial in the sense that it takes a lot of treatment (And possibly chemical reactions) to create them from the plants they start from, but they are typically from plant sources.

Cocaine is an extract from the Coca leaf

Heroin is made by chemically treating morphine, which is derived from opium, and thus the poppy.

Meth (Methamphetamine) has gone through a lot of treatment and is made from other drugs, but if you trace it all back, you once again get a plant as the starting point.

I guess 'artificial' drugs really just suggest how much work it takes to turn the plant it comes from into the drug in question.

 

[Abengoshis]

I think like this:
Everything exists within nature so everything is natural. Everything humans do is natural, like how nests that termites make are natural, for example. Saying something is unnatural only applies to things which don't exist within nature. Fiction.

 

[DefunctTheory]

When we say we 'Defy Nature,' we are usually referring to our ability to do things that no other organism can. Nature can sustain nuclear reaction: organisms shouldn't be able to. nature can forge steel and raise mountains: organisms shouldn't be able to do this.

So by that logic, the development of language is unnatural? ANY argument about what humans do that is unnatural is just a blatant lie, don't try to make it seem any more truthful than i already is, which, like I said, is a blatant lie.

Actually, many organisms have language. Ours is just more advanced, and we can write it down.

Really, smell, sound, and body language all exist in the animal kingdom. Ours is just more *****'n.