But there ARE great Female game characters!!......
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WowScorched_Cascade said:
Thanks for taking the time to actually substantiate your claim. It is somewhat compelling evidence that Ayame has depth to her character even though the dialogue is rather awkward (she even speaks of herself in the third person once), too straightforward and cluncky in voiceacting (PSX era, I know)...all in the space of a minute or so...IN THE FINAL FMV. I don't mean to insult...you can prolly see where I'm going with this though. What about the whole game...before the end FMV? Even though the fragment does get your point across adequately (Ayame has character)...the exposition of the character is of dubious quality and seems to be shoved in like an afterthought: "Oh yeah...she's got character too". Thanks for telling me...just before the screen fades to black
. But during the game (Tenchu 2) and most of it's cutscenes...Ayame is mostly silent...right?
What I'm trying to bring across is that with character exposition...dialogue is important in quantity (not too much...not too little), quality (actually capable of conveying thoughts/ feelings), spacing (you don't want them to talk too often...dialogue after dialogue after dialogue) and timing.
Based on this single fragment...my judgment would have to be: too little, too late (and dubiously executed).
But that's just me
That's interesting. Why do you think she flaunts her femininity? VALVe said that they didn't want to make Alyx out to be a super hot, stupid feminine sidekick. They wanted her to just be an interesting companion for you.GrizzlerBorno said:
The only well-written girl was that detective in Fahrenheit, Carla Valenti. Only towards the end...eugh just what the fuck were they thinking, honestly.
Alyx from Half Life always gets dredged up, but she's terrible. She was purposely made to suit the fanbase: a nerdy social reject whose best friend is a machine.
Alyx from Half Life always gets dredged up, but she's terrible. She was purposely made to suit the fanbase: a nerdy social reject whose best friend is a machine.
There are great female characters. But Alyx Vance isn't one of them, she's about as well developed as Gordon, except she cares about her dad and has a robotic dog.
Seriously people, for a "badass female character who isn't overly sexualized" she definitely had no problem with looks, stamina or standing back and telling you to do all the work.
Seriously people, for a "badass female character who isn't overly sexualized" she definitely had no problem with looks, stamina or standing back and telling you to do all the work.
When was displaying femininity for a woman a bad thing in a game? Considering the majority of male protagonists squirt machismo out of their skin pores what's with the double standard?
Sometimes I get the gist people just want male characters in a woman's body.
Sometimes I get the gist people just want male characters in a woman's body.
Now that is something I simply do not agree with. You remember every good, believable character you've ever seen? Because that is what we are talking about here: believable characters. Not one-off idealistic dramatists that vehemently try stick an idea in you, like Andrew Ryan or Kane (from C&C).Zhukov said:
Those characters are great and all, but if every character in every game spoke with that level of dramaticism, you would pull your fucking ears out with your own hands, I promise you that.
I'm just saying that Silent protagonists exist to allow the player to project themselves into the boots of a hollow digital shell. So if the player is a female, she projects as a female. Simple as that.......If that offends you in any way...... [shrugs]Zhukov said:
That....is a very good point. Thanks for sharing that.Extragorey said:
It's hard to describe...... she's not super hot, she's not sexualised in any traditional way... but there are subtle touches that make people hate her.Lem0nade Inlay said:
Like that thing she does when you're of to somewhere dangerous without her. She says "Be Careful Gordon" and then this silly school-girl-esque motion of moving hair behind her ear, in a shy, slightly flirtatious way. That is SO cliched, man. And it's compounded by the fact that she does that for a soulless, voiceless murdering beast.
But I don't hate Alyx. If she was a character in an RPG, (think Mass effect set in city 17) and you could interact with her as an NPC, I think she could have been an AWESOME character.
As is: How shallow and desperate do you have to be to have a crush on Gordon fucking Freeman (whom I clearly DO NO like)
Mate, I don't even know where to begin.olicon said:
I suppose I could say something really arrogant like, "If you think Lightning is a good character then you have clearly never encountered any literature worthy of the term." But that would just annoy you and make me a dick.
So y'know what, if you find characters like Lightning to be complex and interesting and appealing and just all-round great then more power to ya. It's all relative anyway etc etc.
I've considered giving JRPGs a go. Unfortunately...olicon said:
a) My foray into FFXIII has pretty much put me off them for life.
b) I can't get past the aesthetics. The environments can be gorgeous but the characters all look like twelve-year-olds in clown costumes.
Yes, yes, I know. Western games have a similar problem with everyone being a grizzled space marine. I don't much like that either.
Miranda Keyes, from Halo.Srdjan Tanaskovic said:
Personally I feel there are plenty of great female characters, really how great they are is determined by how well you can relate to the character; how well they are written, personality etc.
Furthermore I agree with the Jennifer Hale comment, I believe her voice acting is flawless, and there is clearly a reason why she gets picked to play big parts like female Commander Shepard (Mass Effect), Trishka Novak (Bulletstorm), Aayla Secura (Star Wars: The clone wars) and even provide the voice and noises that Samus makes in the Metroid Prime Trilogy. And how can you say her voice as Commander Shepard is creepy? It's certainly a lot better than the male Commander Shepard and her tone varies depending on the Paragon or Renegade conversation choices, it makes the conversation flow better, gives it a sense of realism. Even if she is trying to defeat aliens and an ancient race of sentient machines.
Oh sorry I made the rookie mistake of not pointing out when I switched game! Tenchu 2 is the prequel to the whole series so that clip is the birth of Ayame as a character even though it is the end of the game. It's a little clunky because it's from the bad old days of translating from Japanese. Tenchu is one of the games which were finished in Japanese first and then translated for western markets. I included it to show the beginning of modern Ayame's character and her background. Prior to that scene she had been very girl-ish particularly around Kiko but I picked that as her "starting to grow up" point.Manji187 said:Scorched_Cascade said:
Wow
What about the whole game...before the end FMV? Even though the fragment does get your point across adequately (Ayame has character)...the exposition of the character is of dubious quality and seems to be shoved in like an afterthought: "Oh yeah...she's got character too". Thanks for telling me...just before the screen fades to black
But during the game (Tenchu 2) and most of it's cutscenes...Ayame is mostly silent...right?
What I'm trying to bring across is that with character exposition...dialogue is important in quantity (not too much...not too little), quality (actually capable of conveying thoughts/ feelings), spacing (you don't want them to talk too often...dialogue after dialogue after dialogue) and timing.
Based on this single fragment...my judgment would have to be: too little, too late (and dubiously executed).
But that's just me
Chronologically Tenchu 1 comes next and then Tenchu 3: Wrath of Heaven (the game I had picked as the best example of Ayame).
Tenchu games are true stealth games. Your character says nothing during normal gameplay save for occasional exertion noises when doing something strenuous no point giving away your position and all. Characterization all takes place in FMVs before boss battles and in the Narrator's mission briefing.
I couldn't find any real videos of the FMVs in Tenchu 3 without someone talking over the scene, it being in Japanese or it being skipped. The best I could do was:
4.05-4.35 she rushes in when she thinks an innocent is in danger:
3.05-bossfight
3.05-bossfight
While those arn't stellar examples of her character that is the best I could find. Her English voice actor makes the scenes much better (at least for non Japanese speakers) because you can understand the subtle vocal tones rather than reading the subtitles.
She is very duty focused as well as she feels that, that is all she has left. For example, while Rikimaru's death poem (game over screen) is his thoughts on dying with a graveyard background and the secret character's poem mocks him and has his head on a pike, Ayame's poem is very cold:
"Many lives these two blades have taken,
As many as they have protected,
My blood covered lips speak no words,
As I stare into the blades' reflection"
but it has a full moon in the background and swirling blossom falling around it. It almost seems like she is relieved that she is dying because only in death does her duty end and only in death is she free of her promise.
I fail to see how Sazh, Lighting and Snow looks like 12 years oldZhukov said:
Hope yes and Vanille maybe but Vanille is over 100 years old (or something like that) anyway
