by tomorrow, mostly all of you will be breaking the law.
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This is the kind of apathy and ignorance that will let something as atrocious as this treaty pass and be enforced.SimuLord said:
This treaty violates freedom of expression and communication privacy to the nth degree.
This isn't good for anyone, anywhere.
To think this will only affect people pirating is naive, this is an intellectual property enforcement grab affecting the entire culture we live in. How much science and lives have been sabotaged because of an already shitty intellectual property system? More than we can afford to lose is the answer. Increasing the power of IPOs is absolutely insane.
Take the example of Brazil, who decided to manufacture HIV/aids medication regardless of intellectual property, and provide it free to their citizens. It has been one of the most successful of such campaigns to date.
However,
"Advocates of intellectual property rights (IPR) worldwide condemned the actions of the Brazilian government. For example, Slavi Pachovski, a member of the Institute for Trade, Standards and Sustainable Development, argues:
If this trend proceeds, it will be a global pandemic of AIDS that will grow uncontrollable because the Brazilian move will destroy the whole legal order that is the basis for developing new drugs and continuing research. "
That's right folks, Brazil will cause an aids pandemic...
by fighting aids?
These are the same people pushing for ACTA so please consider the ramifications before you ignorantly right people off as the "foil-hat crowd", the world is about more than just you, in fact you're flat out insignificant. So you should at least try to hold on to whatever modicum of freedom that you can.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Brazil here's the sauce for that quote.
There are already "red lists" on the don't visit anarchist's cookbook for example.
This is just the next step to totaliarian life control. Hopefully it turns into mirror's edge that way i can parkour myself a job.
This is just the next step to totaliarian life control. Hopefully it turns into mirror's edge that way i can parkour myself a job.
Ehh, not really. That's more saying "if you illegally obtain a copyrighted or IP protected work, even if you don't resell it, it's illegal", which is part of extant copyright protections.NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Which is the same of any criminal offense (which the ACTA would make copyright infringement). The State is always the named party in criminal prosecutions, even if the victim chooses not to pursue action.NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Ehh... Not without proving it in a court of law. That's what you're forgetting, mate. They're not being given the right to do any of this willy-nilly. All this is is an extension of existing policing abilities to stop piracy and copyright infringement.NameIsRobertPaulson said:
So, yes, when taken in the realistic (rather than most paranoid) light, I have no problems here.
Take a look at the enforcement section. Read it carefully. Specifically the bit about ex parte search authority granted, as well as ex officio authority. That means that whether the IP owner lodges complaint or not, they have the right to search you and your property for any violations of copyright law. What's more, they have not only full right but a legal obligation to hand over all of your personal information to the IP owner if they believe such a violation is found.Seldon2639 said:
Yeah, I think it's fair to say that ACTA is retarded. I don't think it will pass, and even if it does there's no way it will last. Nobody wants this, it serves no useful purpose.
A good thought. Except there's this little provision in here... Chapter 2, Section 1, Article 2.2, part 3.SimuLord said:
"Where the infringer did not knowingly, or with reasonable grounds to know, engage in infringing activity, each Party may [lay down that] [establish] [may authorize its] the judicial authorities may [to] order the recovery of profits or the payment of damages, which may be pre-established."
Translation: If you ever infringe a copyright, even without your knowledge or without there being any reason for you to believe you are doing so, the copyright holder can have you penalized for it. Oh, and the "pre-established" damages they're mentioning can be established by the copyright holder's suggestion.
So, given the amount of "free stuff" on the internet, there's a good chance someone can catch you for something. And then take money from you. However much money they think you owe them.
You example with Brazil is terrible. The problem there with violating IPR laws is that if everyone else does it as well you remove any incentive to do it in the first place. Developing drugs takes a LOT of money and the intellectual property laws are the only things that provide a way for them to make their money back. You take that away and developing any new drugs becomes impossible because there will never be any way for to recoup the money spent developing them.Nailz said:
What's different about ACTA is its huge reach and it's potential to completely circumvent due process.
Wow. Between this and the Google deal the internetz and many people who use it are taking it up the tailpipe.
I'd rally against the administration, but that just gives the Republitards more fuel for their fire, and that would be akin to taking the AK 47 away from the innocent, naive 5 year old and giving it to Charlie Manson.
I'd rally against the administration, but that just gives the Republitards more fuel for their fire, and that would be akin to taking the AK 47 away from the innocent, naive 5 year old and giving it to Charlie Manson.
okay, I'm scared. this would mean EVERY human in these countries, including the ones enforcing this will be arrested.
there isn't a protest yet? why? why is the US willing to pass this? this'll affect themselves as well.
there isn't a protest yet? why? why is the US willing to pass this? this'll affect themselves as well.
why look towards others? speak out against this yourself inform pepole, send a letter to fox news... lets be honest here, some pepole on fox are a little bit annoying and tedious and not the brightest bulbs (here is looking at you Hannity, you give libertarians a bad name :| ) but they would get up in arms about this as they should!Skullkid4187 said:
I see nothing wrong with enforcing copy rights, but there is a difference between preventing theft and putting every thing behind bars and armed guards surrounding it. their is a finner line then most pepole think, and the latter is extremely appealing to everyone but the consumer. we need to get some protests going here, and it seems that some annons will lead the charge and i think we need to get behind them to some degree and make sure they do not go over board, lets send every senator letters, lets lobby parliament, lets march to Washington, lets voice ourselves all over the world!
What are you talking about? They love big business and will do anything to stroke their dicks. They would be in full support of this crap.Skullkid4187 said:
why do you say that when you must've commited some sort of piracy yourself?Nerdfury said:
face it, we're all gonna be arrested either way.
uhh, you must've have commited some piracy at one point. don't don't think you are safe. your gonna allow the dickheads ACTA invade your privacy?SimuLord said:
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your gonna say yes aren't you?
One thing being brought up in defense of ACTA on this forum is that since we don't have the full form of the treaty, we're probably misinterpreting the vague statements in the public release.
Does the fact that we can't view the full form of what they're trying to pass bother anyone else?
Does the fact that we can't view the full form of what they're trying to pass bother anyone else?
He had legal access since late 2001. It's called the Patriot Act, and it makes the ACTA look Peewee's Playhouse in comparison when it comes to violating the Constitution.Gyrefalcon said:
All he had to do was send a notice to your local district judge notifying him that the Dept of Homeland Security was going to take you into custody.
After that, they can legally do anything they fucking want to you. They can hold you indefinitely, interrogate you, seize/freeze your financial holdings. Anything. No due process.