by tomorrow, mostly all of you will be breaking the law.

[Scarecrow]

First, tomorrow is the start of nothing if you do download crap thing without paying your where already breaking the law.

Second, the ATCA meetings are set to finalize sometime in September

Third, ATCA isn't about criminalizing downloads, Its about giving the governments of the world the unholy power to void everyone civil liberty so they can keep sucking the dicks of the greedy cooperations that are butthurt over the internet.

Forth, your going about this all wrong, starting random scare attacks on forums are not the way to prevent this, come on I'd expect this shit from 4chan

Um...how are they doing this? How are they going to void every civil liberty? Because I missed that part.

 

[Shale_Dirk]

Um...how are they doing this? How are they going to void every civil liberty? Because I missed that part.

That's the point, chief. Welcome to the discussion.

Now go read the other 10 pages to see the answer to your questions.

 

[Sach]

Just because this suggests that they can nab you for viewing a webpage, does not mean they will.

The fact that they can doesn't bother you even slightly?

Maybe if there was some conceivable reason for them to do so.
Some stranger could walk up to me in the street and punch me in the face, its yet to happen however.
And I'm sure you're thinking "but if they did that they'd be charged for assault" and you're right, just like these companies and the governments would find themselves in deep shit if they overstepped the line between piracy prevention and general dumbassery.

On another note, in the case of music piracy, there are plenty of examples of artists actually benefit from their music being publicly available, like Radiohead and Dispatch (which is probably why artists aren't usually the ones filing lawsuits).

That's great, now if only publicity was directly proportionate to money they'd be set I'm sure. Here's how it really works.

P1: Hey I downloaded this awesome song, have a listen.
P2: Hey that's awesome, I'll go buy their album.
P3: Hey that's awesome, I have no money so I'll download it.
P4: Hey that's awesome, I'm a lazy douche can you copy it for me.
P5: Hey that's awesome, but I feel that I'm entitled to digital goods for free because its not "real".
P6: Hey that's awesome, give me a copy and I'll burn a bunch of CDs and sell them for $2 each.
P7: Hey that song is crap, but I'll download it anyway because its not worth spending money on.

Better to have 1/7 of a few million sales than 7/7 of a few hundred...

why doesnt the 'scapist ban these obviously pro-pirating people?

Actually, I'm not much of a pirate. Yes, I've torrented a time or two, but I by no means have TBs of illegal videos/music. And I'm willing to bet over half of the people on this forum reside in this grey area.

I'm just saying, the pirate has a point...

he openly admits to pirating and I bet nothing happens.

Why are you picking on me? Half the idiots on this post have ranted about the world coming to an end cuz they won't be able to steal stuff...

because I saw you first.

Being a fellow member of the Lazy-Ass Brigade, that's an acceptable excuse in my books.

 

[Shale_Dirk]

And then all of it will be legal again within a month, because the government will realize that this is stupid.

Patriot Act.

EDIT: Anyone else notice that lots of people are saying "the government" like they're referring to some all-powerful worldwide organization that controls the Earth?

Agreements supersede borders, once all participating countries agree upon it. We are referring to a collective "government" because it's easier than saying "all countries that may participate".

 

[Flying-Emu]

I hope to god Anonymous takes down the asshattery that is the ACTA. They've apparently declared a state of war.

Anonymous is long-dead now.

 

[Scarecrow]

Um...how are they doing this? How are they going to void every civil liberty? Because I missed that part.

That's the point, chief. Welcome to the discussion.

Now go read the other 10 pages to see the answer to your questions.

From what I can see it's the same stuff they do with music. So what is the big deal?!

 

[jthm]

Where is the Republican party on this there is no way in hell they would let it pass

Really? The party most friendly with Corporate America wouldn't let a treaty that heavily favors corporate America to pass. You think so?

 

[RMcD94]

Copyright law has its ups and downs.

Welcome to a new low for capitalism, everyone.

Copyright laws aren't part of Capitalism.

 

[Shale_Dirk]

Um...how are they doing this? How are they going to void every civil liberty? Because I missed that part.

That's the point, chief. Welcome to the discussion.

Now go read the other 10 pages to see the answer to your questions.

From what I can see it's the same stuff they do with music. So what is the big deal?!

Unwarranted searches through your computer, government agency having free access to any traffic data that your ISP documents by request. Extensions that may allow people to search a computer passing through customs for copyrighted material, either in shipping or as a carry-on.

There're other issues as well, but these are the main points. Otherwise it's an expansion on already existing copyright law.

 

[eytrvnbmgkhjiuty]

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[jthm]

Um...how are they doing this? How are they going to void every civil liberty? Because I missed that part.

That's the point, chief. Welcome to the discussion.

Now go read the other 10 pages to see the answer to your questions.

From what I can see it's the same stuff they do with music. So what is the big deal?!

With music, they attach tracker programs to the torrents, monitor downloads. This allows them to scan your computer without your consent or you having downloaded anything, and it includes a lot more than just music and movies. For instance, by viewing my post, you have an unauthorized copy of a nintendo trademark in your cache. You are violating the terms of ACTA. See, your computer saves the images it runs into when you browse. It's doing it right now and it saved my avatar image (Mario) to your temporary internet files and cache in case you revisit the site. Congrats, you're prosecutable.

 

[smitteee329]

Where is the Republican party on this there is no way in hell they would let it pass

Since when were they anti-Corporations and pro-average citizens? They're the last people go to as this is basically their wet dream.

I'm so glad someone ninja'd me on this.

 

[jthm]

All I can say is 15 dollar a month 128 bit encryption. Not even you ISP's can get past an encrypted VPN network that is equal to bank transfer safety!

All I can see this doing is... well... nothing as far as 'piracy' is concerned (if it does get past)

Also quick question, will this apply in Australia?

Yes. USA, EU and Australia.

 

[SovietSecrets]

Well if its passed then its time to do a massive cleaning of my computer. When is it supposed to be voted on or whatever?

 

[Scarecrow]

Um...how are they doing this? How are they going to void every civil liberty? Because I missed that part.

That's the point, chief. Welcome to the discussion.

Now go read the other 10 pages to see the answer to your questions.

From what I can see it's the same stuff they do with music. So what is the big deal?!

With music, they attach tracker programs to the torrents, monitor downloads. This allows them to scan your computer without your consent or you having downloaded anything, and it includes a lot more than just music and movies. For instance, by viewing my post, you have an unauthorized copy of a nintendo trademark in your cache. You are violating the terms of ACTA. See, your computer saves the images it runs into when you browse. It's doing it right now and it saved my avatar image (Mario) to your temporary internet files and cache in case you revisit the site. Congrats, you're prosecutable.

I can see how that may be a problem, but it's there choise if they do prosicute you. So in that situation they can try me, but they wont because it would be stupid.

 

[eytrvnbmgkhjiuty]

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[Lavi]

I'm assuming Canada is involved in this as well. I hope someone steps up to oppose it.

Canada is listening to the talks and are part of the negoiations, but isn't gung-ho for the treaty unless treaty wording is changed, so that the ACTA can not force US law on Canadian law. Basically sovereignty issues, so negioations have so far have steered the treaty so it can not force Canadians and Canadian Corporations to be pushed around by American business policies on domestic soil.

... This reminds me of history class.

 

[eytrvnbmgkhjiuty]

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[The Rockerfly]

Anonymous is long-dead now.

I disagree, if you're a person on the internet and you're not giving away all your details then you're anonymous

Anonyomous will never truly die

I'll send you an IM as not sure linking to stuff as such is allowed in the forums.

If you could forward the message to me I would be very grateful