by tomorrow, mostly all of you will be breaking the law.

[RowdyRodimus]

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Human rights are not taken into account. This is a trade agreement, it's above that.

In regards to rioting and protesting. People are scarred. We no longer posses the same spirit our ancestors did. We've been domesticated. If riots do break out they will be isolated pockets since no one will be willing to put their lives on the line. All people want to do is live and they don't care who controls them. The current government will easily put down those riots and eventually end up instating martial law which is just a step away from totalitarianism.


We cannot stop this unless we riot and unfortunately we won't riot enough to actually overturn the government. Like I've said before, we are domesticated animals.

Can someone cite me where this violates a right we actually have (rather than imagine) or how "human rights" are offended by anything they propose? Unless "complete autonomy from consequences or oversight of our behavior" is a human right, I believe you have no leg to stand on.

4th amendment.

Not to get into a political debate here (since it would be me and about three other people against everyone else lol), but if the treaty is passed and signed then an ISP giving out your browser history wouldn't be a violation of the 4th Amendment, because the ISP owns your records of using it's service. Even if they read on here where people say they have torrented games and movies, it would be legal for them to come and seize your computer because it wouldn't be viewed an unreasonable search and seizure.

 

[RelexCryo]

With U.S. involvement in this treaty, the only thing I can say is this- is our government even trying to appear Democratic anymore? Is it even trying to hide the anti-citizen, pro-elite, excessively Authoritarian stance it has adopted?

Some of the other signing nations, from the perspective of an outsider, seem to have some redeeming quality still, but really the best thing I had to say about the U.S. before this is "well, at least companies can't just rummage through all my information on a whim". Now, it seems they'll be able to.

Actually, I can still say "At least we can buy assault rifles/guns in general to fight oppression if we need to."

But the elitist anti-citizen attitude adopted by both wings of government does bother me a lot.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

BTW, Canadians, don't worry. The USA may have two parties, but we have three (biggies), and face it, we'll never have a majority. The parties know if they do something, anything, we even remotely dislike, they lose what little majority they have.

Not to mention Canada doesn't really worry about piracy because its so low compared to our population.

True enough. It's the little things like in which make me fond of our nation once again.. at least, until one of those three decides to be a prick and completely blackout parliament so no opposition can have a say until it is too late.. *Cough* Harper *Cough*.

*Cough* This time he'd get an instant election the second parliament resumed and his party would lose a substantial amount of seats. *Cough*

*Cough* Then wide grin on my face when that happens, if so, would be very wide indeed. *Cough*

 

[QuantumT]

Remind me again what the "ups" are to copyright law... all I'm seeing is a near-endless supply of money for douchebags and an excuse for them to sue people whenever they want.

Intellectual property law gives people who innovate the ability to see returns on their investments of time/money into a product, be it a book, a song, or a drug. Without it, there would be far less incentive to create new products, as you would never see any returns on your investments.

 

[HellbirdIV]

It's not like 99% of users here aren't already criminals from various illegal downloads, no? And this whole shebang is just a means to find these people?

 

[Phoenixlight]

Is there some way we can veto this lame agreement? and what countries will this effect?

 

[TheBaron87]

Sucks for the video game companies when the people who pirated because of a lack of a demo just don't bother, and the ones who pirate after buying to evade intrusive DRM just keep their money, while the ones who pirated to get free stuff continue not to pay a dime and find other ways to amuse themselves.

Maybe if companies offered demos for all their games and stopped punishing the legal customer with archaic restrictions the business wouldn't be in such bad shape.

 

[WaffleGod]

Wait... what? I don't get it? How the hell will governements ever check all the pages a user checks every day? I mean... There must be millions of people using the internet every second. You can't possibly check them all, unless you hire every Chinese person in the world to do it I guess.

 

[Jack and Calumon]

Yep, and in preparation I have ripped all of my CDs onto my computer and loaded them onto my MP3 player. Besides, they're only fine tuning it. It won't come into practice for a while. Government laws never do. Except Marshall law. Man these sentences are so disjointed.

Calumon: ACTA? Sounds like someone trying to finish off a Pokemon move before coughing!

Red: Go Pikachu! Quick ACTA!

I'am sorry, but why do you always post for you and somone called 'Calumon'?

Because the world is boring and I want to spice it up!

A better explanation

Calumon: I'm in the picture on the left...

Spoiler: ...but here's another

 

[vxicepickxv]

Do you have a single copyrighted song, picture or video on your computer? Do you ever view videos on Youtube that have copyrighted music? If so, you'll be breaking the law. Still so sure it won't effect you?

This also goes for anyone who has downloaded freeware onto their computer. This includes Linux and browsers. So under this treaty, all users of Firefox, Google Chrome, IE8, Opera, Safari, and any other web browser which people downloaded form the internet will be liable for punishment. This would also include anti-virus software programs, games, chat programs, and anything which you download that you don't have to pay for are now tickets for criminal prosecution.

You'd be looking at possibly >90% of all internet users, that's over a billion people. Passing this treaty and prosecuting everyone would be so insanely expensive the people in charge would become bankrupt just from the cost of searching and evidence gathering. There is NO way that anybody will be able to pay for this.

I forgot about this. Basically, they are OUTLAWING GIVING YOUR OWN CREATIONS AWAY FOR FREE

Not on do they make it illegal for you to give away your own creations for free, but if you do, then the recipient of the creation can be arrested, fined, etc. Now to top it off as the creator of the item, you don't have ANY legal recourse to prevent them from going after the recipient.

I can't give it away.
If I give it away, and you're caught, I can't tell the law to NOT prosecute you.


Patriot act, Illegal to film cops in public, ACTA... we are well on our way to a police state.

 

[The Journey]

It's a treaty... it's not law. So once people figure out exactly what it means for them, the outcry will force the involved countries to break their part of it.

Honestly, people don't care. Unless thousands of people all get arrested at roughly the same time for the same useless bloody thing, no one will utter a word about it.

Quick news flash here people (who obviously do care): Most people could not give a toss if the government, corporations or evil space mutants with genocidal dreams had cameras in their homes if it didn't really affect them in any significant way.

While I love people and think that there is so much potential for good, the reality is that most of the time unless some charismatic individual or concerned group get enough people to stand up and protest, nothing is ever really fought.

 

[Scarecrow]

Yep, and in preparation I have ripped all of my CDs onto my computer and loaded them onto my MP3 player. Besides, they're only fine tuning it. It won't come into practice for a while. Government laws never do. Except Marshall law. Man these sentences are so disjointed.

Calumon: ACTA? Sounds like someone trying to finish off a Pokemon move before coughing!

Red: Go Pikachu! Quick ACTA!

I'am sorry, but why do you always post for you and somone called 'Calumon'?

Because the world is boring and I want to spice it up!

A better explanation

Calumon: I'm in the picture on the left...

Spoiler: ...but here's another

Ah. Now I understand. Thank you, and I think it's cool. Keep it up.

 

[QuantumT]

While I love people and think that there is so much potential for good, the reality is that most of the time unless some charismatic individual or concerned group get enough people to stand up and protest, nothing is ever really fought.

Let the search for our individual/group begin!

 

[Tipsy Giant]

Where is the Republican party on this there is no way in hell they would let it pass

LOL

who do you think is the biggest backer of corporations forcing these laws through. These companies finance BOTH of the political parties

 

[suhlEap]

i love not living in america!

 

[The Rockerfly]

Yes, yes, yes, but the actual ORGANIZATION of Anonymous fell apart after the oldfags got bored with it. Either a new generation of Channers is going to have to take up the flag, or Anon isn't going to be able to do shit against this.

Okay in that respects I agree but the oldfags have to help the newfags become oldfags otherwise when all the oldfags are gone we're left with nothing but cancer and newfags

I couldnt have said I go on 4chan any more obviously unless I went in the streets and shouted it...

 

[Kwaren]

This won't solve a thing. Pirates take these types of laws as challenges. If I get arrested for having a picture on my computer I will be sure to tell them that they have to arrest practically everyone else who has a computer too because they are breaking the law too.