by tomorrow, mostly all of you will be breaking the law.

[QuantumT]

edit: wrong thread

 

[Owlslayer]

Well i hope it won't get trough in The States, either. Good that the EU is safe.

 

[Quiet Stranger]

What exactly is it?

http://www.anti-acta.com/

http://www.ustr.gov/acta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement

Basically it's a new treaty (note: it's actually a treaty, meaning that it automatically passes any kind of legal action required to sign it in a law) that allows companies to monitor what you do on the internet, and gives them a lot more power to check to see if you are doing "suspicious" activities on the net. This would give them the power to invade whatever privacy you have and pretty much arrest you for no just reason.

Also, it would have a negative impact on free sites such as wikipedia or ED, if you will. Alos, the money that would go into paying this bill would be payed by your internet bill, meaning that there would be a severe price hike in the bills you pay for internet.

There is more but I figure that you would get the most out of it if I left the links there. Plus, I'm lazy, and my fingers are tired so...typing is not really something that I want to overdo right now haha

So basically lets say I torrent a really old game that I can't find anywhere else (like Sim Theme Park (mostly known as Theme Park World)) someone would probably come and arrest me for doing this?

 

[hawkeye52]

the current law i believe is that if a company finds out that you are uploading their stuff then they can and will sue you for breach of copyright however now of this passes anyone in the selected countries has broken the law and can be thrown in jail. trouble is that the government with this new law doesnt even need to prove that you are upload/downloading copyrighted content and can just say that you are thrown you in jail and cut you off from the internet till you or your isp proves that you wern't.

what i would like to see if this passes is some big group like 4chan to all start simultaneously downloading copyrighted content and create a private network for everyone to spread it to or to compile all the stuff they have downloaded into one massive compressed rarfile containing like 100gigs of compressed games films and other etc and torrent all around the internet. i think the governments then would get the general feel of how people feel and then realise they cant stop it without seeming completely like china or the old soviet union. major news corporations who are known for slander and filth in general will report this like FOX and the daily mail till it grabs everyones interest then other more respectable ones will take notice such as the BBC then the effect will most likely snowball. thats only if the government take the bait and try to shut down the whole torrent from the beginning

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

I'm confused, what will be the outcome, is everyone just gonna be punished, I mean, that's a huge, huge amount of criminal charges, how are they going to punish everyone?

 

[hawkeye52]

I'm confused, what will be the outcome, is everyone just gonna be punished, I mean, that's a huge, huge amount of criminal charges, how are they going to punish everyone?

they will have a lot of people searching and from what i gather you can be searched everytime you connect to the internet by your isp and if they find anything illegal by law they have to send that information to the company who's trademark you have taken then its not a matter of if you are going to be taken to court but when

 

[hawkeye52]

200 years ago it was illegal for a man with dark skin to look a man with white skin in the eyes.

You're right.

Because of idiocy and racism in the past we should make no attempts to improve things today.

I don't need to worry about eating healthy or learning. There's kids in Africa with no food and no education.

Thankyou Kair. You've really put things in perspective.

i think he was making a statement over the absurdness of this law by putting it in contrast with another absurd law rather then the points you decided to bring up for some reason.

Sounds unlikely. Adding a far more absurd law makes this one pale in comparison.

I think the points I brought up are directly related to what he was saying, or my argument towards it.

I was certainly doing a better job responding to him than he was to this topic.

we have progressed beyond state authorised racism in most developed countries the point is though that ACTA is seeking to bring us back a step in social evolution by putting us in a state of fear of doing things on the internet kind of like what china does with their internet

 

[acosn]

It'd get crushed in the US court system like every suit that ever tried to hold ISPs accountable for what their users do online does.

This is just another feeble attempt by a dying industry trying to force profits where there may be none.

 

[The Ambrosian]

Okay, I need help here. So, I have some pirated stuff on my PC, will this effect me?
It's on an external hardrive that I leaved plugged into my computer. Can they search my computer OTI?

EDIT: Also, what exactly is this, in a nutshell. I don't really understand the pdf. It's too complicated for me.

EDIT TWO: I understand more now, and I see they have the right to search your items, from what I work out this doesn't mean coming into your house and checking your stuff, just at things like airports?

I hear this isn't in the EU so it should be all good...

 

[Owlslayer]

Okay, I need help here. So, I have some pirated stuff on my PC, will this effect me?
It's on an external hardrive that I leaved plugged into my computer. Can they search my computer OTI?

The EU did the vote or something and this thingy did not pass. Someone posted a link sometime in this thread, I'm not really sure where.

 

[Kif]

Honest to god some of you people depress me more than the actual agreement.

I would imagine barely a quarter of the people posting opinions, knowledge, rage etc have even looked at the proposal as it stood in April and therefore don't have any real idea what it enables authorities to do.

Point of fact is, before it gets accepted they said it would be made available to the public enabling people to see what it actually entails and also, a lot of what people have said it will enable is not in the April official release so where that information is coming from I do not know as it's certainly not the agreement.

Don't get me wrong, it's gonna be bad... but 'it gives them the right to come into your house, search your devices and throw you in jail if you have a YouTube video in your cache' is a little bit silly.