Call of Duty: Women at War
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Actually, all other things being equal (training, height, weight, age, morale, BMI, etc.) A man will beat a woman in unarmed combat 9 out of 10 times. This is more a difference in center of gravity than anything else, but there are some other factors. The reason that women show such a high rate of success in real world situations is that they don't fight fair.rompsku said:
As to being in the army, well, I think I'm going to have to turn to Kipling on this one.
Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)
The Female of the Species
WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.
When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.
When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.
Man's timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
For the Woman that God gave him isn't his to give away;
But when hunter meets with husbands, each confirms the other's tale—
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.
Man, a bear in most relations—worm and savage otherwise,—
Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.
Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
Mirth obscene diverts his anger—Doubt and Pity oft perplex
Him in dealing with an issue—to the scandal of The Sex!
But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.
She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
May not deal in doubt or pity—must not swerve for fact or jest.
These be purely male diversions—not in these her honour dwells—
She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.
She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.
She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.
Unprovoked and awful charges—even so the she-bear fights,
Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons—even so the cobra bites,
Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
And the victim writhes in anguish—like the Jesuit with the squaw!
So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of Abstract Justice—which no woman understands.
And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern—shall enthral but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.
The Female of the Species
WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.
When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.
When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.
Man's timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
For the Woman that God gave him isn't his to give away;
But when hunter meets with husbands, each confirms the other's tale—
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.
Man, a bear in most relations—worm and savage otherwise,—
Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.
Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
Mirth obscene diverts his anger—Doubt and Pity oft perplex
Him in dealing with an issue—to the scandal of The Sex!
But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.
She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
May not deal in doubt or pity—must not swerve for fact or jest.
These be purely male diversions—not in these her honour dwells—
She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.
She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.
She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.
Unprovoked and awful charges—even so the she-bear fights,
Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons—even so the cobra bites,
Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
And the victim writhes in anguish—like the Jesuit with the squaw!
So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of Abstract Justice—which no woman understands.
And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern—shall enthral but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.
There's nothing wrong with women being delicate, beautiful, and caring (OK, that first one's an issue), the problem is deciding they should be and constraining them to that role.Malicious said:
And while you do have points of biological tendencies, a woman trained to fight and kill (among other necessary military skills) is trained to fight and kill, and is thus suitable to fight as a soldier (again, if they have the aforementioned other military skills). Barring them from being a soldier by virtue of simply being a woman (as opposed to having combat-detrimental tendencies associated with women) is merely foolish and arbitrary (*glares at own military*).
I wouldn't say there is a particular dearth of women in video games. Women are indeed fairly rarely found in front-line combat. Considering that Call of Duty, for instance, has you playing either a frontline marine/ranger or special forces soldier, where there are no women, the fact that there was even one female in the games (the pilot you save in MW1) is a lot. It shows they stuck women in just about wherever possible and had it on their mind. And other games where it would be feasable to have women do seem to have them as well.
Fine. I'll go ahead and explain why your post is full of rubbish then, shall I?Malicious said:
In a perfect world, nobody would go to war. But since this isn't a perfect world, sometimes going to war is unavoidable. So why shouldn't women be allowed the chance to go and fight and die like men are? And calling feminism "crap" hardly endears you or your opinion to me.Malicious said:
Ok, I'd like to know where you're getting your information from, because without evidence all this is seeming like is your own biased opinion. Now it is true that if you take a man of average physical strength and a women of average physical strength, the man will be stronger. That's about the only way you could definitely say that a man was better than a women for military service. But people are not averages, nor should they be treated like them.Malicious said:
Sure, the fact that on average women are physically weaker than men would mean that less female volenteers would meet the requirements for military service. But provided they are both facing the exact same requirements (which they should be), why should an above-average preforming female be rejected for frontline service while an average male is accepted? The real point I'm trying to make here is, yes, a lower percentage of women than men will be fit for military service. But why should those that are fit be rejected because they are women, after they've just proven they're just as capable as the males being accepted?
Also, raw physical strength just isn't as important as it used to be in war. It's no longer about how far you can march in full plate armour, or how hard you can swing a sword. Mentally, women are just as capable as men, so that's not it either. And the argument that women shouldn't be in frontline roles because the men would become stressed out from seeing them in pain or dying is bullshit. I'm fairly sure seeing their comrades in pain or dying would stress a soldier out anyway, whether they were a woman or not. Also, this whole argument is basically saying that women in frontline combat would be a problem because of a failing of the men, and not the women. That's hardly a fair argument.
This is the part where I laugh because I realise you don't seem to understand what feminism is, at all. Which gives your opinion of it being "crap" even less weight than it had before (i.e, none). As Bob Dylan said, "Don't criticize what you can't understand." And you clearly do not understand feminism.Malicious said:
Feminism is NOT about women trying to prove that they are better than men, in any way. Nor is it about them all wanting to perform traditionally male jobs. It is about trying to fight for the right to be able to do these jobs, if they so wish. Simply said, any women that calls herself a feminist is not looking to prove that women are superior to men. She is looking to prove that they are equal. Anyone that says that women are better than men is NOT a feminist, regardless of if they claim to be one or not.
There is NOTHING wrong with women being delicate, beautiful and caring. What IS wrong is them being forced to be like this, and not allowed to pursue more traditionally male roles if that is what they want. Feminism works both ways too, which is what a lot of people fail to realise. It also means that men shouldn't be forced to be rough, tough, testosterone producing machines either, and should be free to pursue more traditionally female roles, if that's what they want.
Ok, this bit is so ridiculous I would find it funny, if only I didn't realise you were actually being serious. Are you saying that only men that are homosexual get jobs in fashion and hair dressing? Because I think you'll find, that is a stereotype, and not at all true. Just like it is a stereotype to assume that all gay men are overtly feminine, and that no straight man can show any hint of feminity.Malicious said:
I remember there were some women in COD2 and weren't seen as sex symbols; they just fighting alongside you same as the men.
However apart from that I've never seen women on the battlefront in modern setting/past setting war games. I had a talk with a online friend of mine about this who's a gamer. Although she likes first person shooters and would like to play war games, she hates how women seem to be completely excluded most of the time; if anything they are only heard speaking into your headset or in the case of COD4 flying a helicopter. As such, she finds herself alienated from those type of games as she sees them as largely a 'guys only' zone.
I completely agree, I noticed throughout the singleplayer campaign of COD6 there was not a single woman with a gun in her hands. In fact, the only women in the entire game were seen on the airport level as civilians screaming and running away as you mowed them down with a machine gun.
However apart from that I've never seen women on the battlefront in modern setting/past setting war games. I had a talk with a online friend of mine about this who's a gamer. Although she likes first person shooters and would like to play war games, she hates how women seem to be completely excluded most of the time; if anything they are only heard speaking into your headset or in the case of COD4 flying a helicopter. As such, she finds herself alienated from those type of games as she sees them as largely a 'guys only' zone.
I completely agree, I noticed throughout the singleplayer campaign of COD6 there was not a single woman with a gun in her hands. In fact, the only women in the entire game were seen on the airport level as civilians screaming and running away as you mowed them down with a machine gun.
And I am fairly sure that you did not do the research and are just spouting things to make a point.sauerkraus said:
You don't believe me when I tell you that the military utilizes females for combat roles?
Israeli's do this, and hell, even the U.K. does this as well.
Check this shit out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7460617.stm
Oh, and that stuff about women soldiers getting pregnant all the time?
That has only happen three times for the U.S. military in the last 10 years.
And it was recently thought of to be able to court-martial those who were.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8422989.stm
And women are just as able to do just as much as men.
Not more.
Not less.
But the same.
Next time you act like an incompetent sexist, do it right, and look up the research.
You know what, I'll just post more examples to prove to you that females are participating just as equally, albeit with more media attention.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3973281.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/kent/4525552.stm
Too true, devs dont seem to be able to write female characters.Kortney said:
Also, this reminds me of what morrigan says in Dragon Age: Origins, "Men will always assume two things when he meets a woman, one is that she is weak, and two is that she is attracted to him."
I am so dense...Eatbrainz said:Odd how she doesn't have an irish accent, everything about reilly's rangers suggests she should have one.miracleofsound said:My hero. She gave me my favorite ever armour in a game.
I only now noticed her orange hair, white face and green outfit make an Irish flag.
I guess they couldn't afford to get another top class Irish actor after spending all thier budget on Liam Neeson.