Well that depends, is this the 1st time this event has occured, or the 18th? And I did say if the person TRIED to ruin someone else's life, and I don't think drunk driving should be considered ATTEMPTED murder.matrix guardian said:
Can killing be justified?
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There are many who deserved to live, just as many who deserved life. Can you give it to them?
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Well yes I can, death at least to those who deserve to die...besides 2nd guessing an ancient tolkienological God, I believe death in many reasons is deserved when one has made a conciously bad decision, fully knowing the consquences.
-Gandalf
Well yes I can, death at least to those who deserve to die...besides 2nd guessing an ancient tolkienological God, I believe death in many reasons is deserved when one has made a conciously bad decision, fully knowing the consquences.
I would've added a poll to this thread but whatev. All right, back on topic, short answer: yes.
Long answer: If you know who a serial killer is, the legal thing to do would be to gather as much evidence as you can with out putting yourself in harm's way and contact the police. What I think should be done is justice Red Dead Redemption style. In that game, you return a thief to the person they stole from and the storekeeper kicks the thief in the face and body. Serial killers should be killed. And, rapists deserve the worst punishment imaginable, being forced to watch "The Marine" (I didn't like that movie, can you tell?). Though, seriously on that point, I've heard that many places don't just let a repeat rapist free once they've finished serving their jail/prison sentence. Instead, they are placed in to a mental health facility. Since they're there, they are taught to identify that their victims were indeed human beings. This is done by including treatment such as forcing them to listen to a real recorded 911 audio tape of a woman who tried to call for help but, instead, left the police with the chilling sounds of her rape. I've also heard that some of the "patients" think that being forced to listen to that tape is cruel and unusual punishment (boohoo, cry to the victim or their family and see if they care. I would bet that they wouldn't). So, yeah. Oh, also, I had a friend who was a nurse in a psychiatric ward in Louisiana who told me about this patient who was always calm, placid, and actually seemed rather sane...I mean, sane for a person living in a mental institution. Anyways, they were concerned about the welfare of a new rapist patient so they threw him in with the "sane guy" (I personally wouldn't care, I say throw him with the worst of the worst and give the video tape to the victim so they can see that they're now safe in concern of that rapist). All right, so, umm...I can't really say what happened next but I can put it this way: I wonder when that will be in a "Saw" movie. Suffice it to say, it wasn't pretty.
Long answer: If you know who a serial killer is, the legal thing to do would be to gather as much evidence as you can with out putting yourself in harm's way and contact the police. What I think should be done is justice Red Dead Redemption style. In that game, you return a thief to the person they stole from and the storekeeper kicks the thief in the face and body. Serial killers should be killed. And, rapists deserve the worst punishment imaginable, being forced to watch "The Marine" (I didn't like that movie, can you tell?). Though, seriously on that point, I've heard that many places don't just let a repeat rapist free once they've finished serving their jail/prison sentence. Instead, they are placed in to a mental health facility. Since they're there, they are taught to identify that their victims were indeed human beings. This is done by including treatment such as forcing them to listen to a real recorded 911 audio tape of a woman who tried to call for help but, instead, left the police with the chilling sounds of her rape. I've also heard that some of the "patients" think that being forced to listen to that tape is cruel and unusual punishment (boohoo, cry to the victim or their family and see if they care. I would bet that they wouldn't). So, yeah. Oh, also, I had a friend who was a nurse in a psychiatric ward in Louisiana who told me about this patient who was always calm, placid, and actually seemed rather sane...I mean, sane for a person living in a mental institution. Anyways, they were concerned about the welfare of a new rapist patient so they threw him in with the "sane guy" (I personally wouldn't care, I say throw him with the worst of the worst and give the video tape to the victim so they can see that they're now safe in concern of that rapist). All right, so, umm...I can't really say what happened next but I can put it this way: I wonder when that will be in a "Saw" movie. Suffice it to say, it wasn't pretty.
I've heard the buffet is heavenly.swolf said:Hell has got some good food actually. Sometimes I get my steak and it's a bit overcooked but, other than that, it's not that bad.PsychoticForesight said:
Yes. Why give a mass murderer the pleasure of death and having it all over, nothing bothering him?The Rockerfly said:
Nah, I'd put him in a jail cell and prod him with a sharp stick 'till he dies anyway.
I'll justify this...I'm against the death penalty punishment.PsychoticForesight said:
How society disciples the wrong-doer when already kill him/her? When acts exactly like him/her,by killing them.
A society that acts short-sighted,with vengeful manners has problems within its culture.
Prisons except from constrain the inmates are also disciple,educate,psychologically and mentally help them,when it's needed.
Noone is born evil or good,becomes one.
If we knew, at the first place, which people born "evil" then put them in jail before they act.
In defense of other people, your homeland, or yourself (etc etc) - yes, I'm very much okay with it. I'm an agnostic so heaven, hell etc. doesn't really bother me. If it turns out, against all odds, that there is some old bearded sadist up there on a throne - I will gladly go to hell for having defended those/that which I hold dear.
RedMenace said:
I've pulled these two posts out because you both mentioned rape as an offense that you'd allow the offender to be killed for.Anoctris said:
*checks profiles*
Ok, you're both male, Anoctris is 7 years older than me and doesn't mention any religious beliefs, RedMenace has no further info, so I'm going to guess you're the same as the majority: Old enough to drink alcohol and get into pubs and clubs. Also, with no info on marital/relational status, I'm going to assume you are both single, heterosexual males, interested in women. If any of these assumptions are wrong, please tailor the following appropriately.
The reason I pulled that up is a discussion I had with my Law tutor a little while ago. I, like you, decided that rape is so bad that it should be an executable offense. He gave me a scenario:
You're on a night out. You're at a party, at a club, just chilling out with friends in a bar, whatever. Point is that you've been drinking in a social environment. You look up and you catch the eye of the gorgeous redhead on the other side of the room. You get up the courage and go and talk to her. You have a couple more drinks, dance a bit, then she grabs your hand and tells you she wants to go somewhere quieter. You go back to yours, and being as you are both drunk, one thing leads to another, and you sleep together.
You wake up in the morning, the redhead has left. About an hour later, the cops show up at your door and arrest you for rape.
Her side of the story:
Mandy's not having a good day. With only 6 weeks until she's set to marry her boyfriend, they have a blazing row. She storms out of the house, ends up meeting with some friends at a bar. She has a drink to steady her nerves, one drink turns to four, and suddenly thoughts of discontent turn to thoughts of revenge. She catches the eye of a guy in the corner, and decides that if her boyfriend is going to be in a bad mood when she arrives home, she may as well have fun whilst she's out. A couple more drinks, half an hour on the dance floor and she has a better idea: What if she doesn't go home tonight? That'd show him, let him stay up all night worrying about where she is. She grabs the guy who she's dancing with and tells him she wants to go back with him.
Mandy wakes up, the events of last night are all a bit blurry. She's got a thundering hangover, and she's... wait, where the hell is she? All she knows is that it's not her boyfriend, it's not her bed... Damn, what happened last night? I mean... She loves her boyfriend, there's no way that she'd go with a guy willingly, right? That means... Oh no! That means it must have been rape! She's off to the police station, he must have slipped something in her drink, there's no way that she'd have consented otherwise!
But hey, thanks to social perception, I'm sure a jury of your peers will TOTALLY believe you over a hot redhead who's standing in the witness box saying that you did it. Have fun with the electric chair, bucko, I'll take my chances with the justice system as it is, if that's cool?
Just a little something to take into consideration
In an ideal world nobody should kill anyone else. This is utterly flawed by the fact that we are human, we are vengeful, we are greedy, we are fearful, we are loving and we are incredibly emotionally unstable. Thankfully its this erratic behavior that makes us the primary species to the planet.
To answer your question - Can it be justified to kill a murderer? - to me there is no real way to answer that. It is all very well saying an eye for an eye isn't right but if it was my family this person has killed, then believe you me I would feel pretty damn justified. Not to mention if it was an entirely emotional reaction based on utter hatred for them caused by my love for my family. Like I said we are flawed by our emotions and its all gonna come down to how you react to seeing that person on whether you feel justified or not.
To answer your question - Can it be justified to kill a murderer? - to me there is no real way to answer that. It is all very well saying an eye for an eye isn't right but if it was my family this person has killed, then believe you me I would feel pretty damn justified. Not to mention if it was an entirely emotional reaction based on utter hatred for them caused by my love for my family. Like I said we are flawed by our emotions and its all gonna come down to how you react to seeing that person on whether you feel justified or not.
I was always of the assumption that a rape kit would have to be carried out as well as a blood tox-screen to check for foul play. Especially a rape that is supposedly suppose to of happened within the last 24 hours. If he hadn't raped or drugged her it would show in the results.wordsmith said:
How do you judge the two though? Those are arbitrary classifications.Xeros said:
I think it can be justified so as to prevent the deaths of others.