Can we save World of Warcraft?
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Lol you think WoW has a grind right now? I take it you didn't play Vanilla or even BC for that matter. Cata is so faceroll easy mode right now that's why it's getting stale and dropping in subs. They still have MILLIONS though so it's not in any need of saving yet.
As a veteran since day one I can say it's getting quite stale and i'm going to sit out on Panderia to try out GW2 but Cata is not much of a grind. Besides, gear was designed to be spread out over a few months not getting full epics within a week of heroics like WoTLK. Someone else said it best in this thread, WoW is not a game you jump in for 15 minutes and have some fun. It's a game where you sit on your ass for hours at a time, long term stuff here.
As a veteran since day one I can say it's getting quite stale and i'm going to sit out on Panderia to try out GW2 but Cata is not much of a grind. Besides, gear was designed to be spread out over a few months not getting full epics within a week of heroics like WoTLK. Someone else said it best in this thread, WoW is not a game you jump in for 15 minutes and have some fun. It's a game where you sit on your ass for hours at a time, long term stuff here.
i think the community is more the problem then anything else and not the shit stains who steal loot and mock/ hate on people (well of course thats a issue but this isn't the point im raiseing)
if you ever go to the WoW forums it is covered with
I HATE WOW
AND EVERYTHING WAS BETTER IN VANILLA and then other times they say it its too easy or to hard
Community needs to fix itself
Blizzard needs to add something interesting to the game
if you ever go to the WoW forums it is covered with
I HATE WOW
AND EVERYTHING WAS BETTER IN VANILLA and then other times they say it its too easy or to hardCommunity needs to fix itself
Blizzard needs to add something interesting to the game
Hm, so what your proposing is...SOMETHING THAT EXISTS!! Sorry for caps lol, it's called LFR and it is almost exactly what you described. I think whats wrong with WoW is the utter ease of obtaining this top tier gear. I want WoW to go back to building up your gear from high-lvl dungeons to heroics to first tier raids and eventually to the end game raid. This way you're not grinding the same heroics but it still takes some accomplishing to get to the top.
Not one worth fallowing. At least not as good as Warcraft 3, and I didn't think it was good in Warcraft 3. Anyway WoW has always been like a prono there might be a few people who care about the story, but that's not why most people are there.chozo_hybrid said:
I can provide you with lore information that WoW has covered; just understand that the amount is absolutely insane. The basic premise of all your favorite WC3 characters are that if they even slightly leaned toward the neutral affiliation they are dead.chozo_hybrid said:
This is me not knowing spoiler tags by the way (THESE ARE SPOILERS HE-YOOOO)VVV
Illidan is dead. Arthas is dead. Thrall is the most overpowered piece of shit on Azeroth now. Uther is -still- dead, comes back as a ghost at some point or another. Maiev pops in for a second and disappears forever. Akama is a guirella fighter turncoat. Kil'jay is dead. Archimonde still dead, you get to see it again DOH. Let's see... Oh yeah, dragons were OP, not anymore, because D-Wing is dead... But they seriously were (I hate Knaak for doing this to warcraft. The man needs to seriously calm his dragon boner). Uhm... What else. Oh yeah, Cenarius is alive again for... reasons. Malfurion went back to sleep and woke up in Cata. Naga are purely evil now, but no surprise there. Kael'thas is dead, twice. Anub'arak is dead, twice. A couple Old Gods are dead (the cthulu monster from the TFT mission with the dungeon and Arthas/Anub'arak). Cairne is dead, killed by Grom Hellscream's son in a duel for the title of Warchief. Sylvanas is... Sylvanas. Jaina is not at all important anymore. Ho hum... Tyrande stays essentially the same. Grom stayed dead. Deckard Cain is dead. You are nephil-- oh wait, wrong game.
Other than that, most of the lore is self-contained within WoW, which isn't to say it's small by any goddamn stretch of imagination. It's fucking huge. The quality is debatable though.
EDIT: Oh yeah, lady Vashj is dead... The dreadlords can't die unless the force of the killer is over 9000, so Mal'ganis is alive, but is a huge wuss and is hiding. Kel'thuzad is dead. Tichondrius is dead. That one dreadlord who served Sylvanas is presumed dead (I used to know the name but can't be arsed to look it up in a "summary"). I might come back to this as I recollect some more information.
OH, BRONZEBEARD IS ALIVE. He just had Amnesia THE WHOLE TIME! Not making this up.
But yeah, warcraft 4... I want it. I really do. I like the RPG/RTS format much better than I like WoW. Mostly because in WoW for anything to be important it has to be raid content, and everything dies in raid content and underplays individual achievements of certain characters while making the players have all the power, WHILST STILL TELLING YOU that you as a player character individual are weak as all bananas. Which is, you know, fine, but then why are you thwarting, like... Kil flipping Jaiden. etc...
Rant over.
OT:
I want WoW to be good again, but as someone pointed out the game simply has lost its edge. It's older, it's painfully obvious that it's older, and once you've played enough of it you know everything there is to know about it. The second your class makes sense to you is the second the game becomes linear, and linear MMO's do not work.
Also, what you are describing is bad MMO design. Making content too accessible (what it is right now, in fact) underplays player achievement and the idea of striving for something. As it stands now, all you have to do is spend upward of two weeks efficiently finding gear and you can do the current content raid whilst bypassing all of early Cata completely. That, by itself, instantly burns you out, because you don't -HAVE- to do anything to earn your place, you just get candy handed to you.
This is why many people say vanilla WoW was better. The content was harder, and it kicked your ass. When you got an epic item, it was a sight to behold. When you get one now, it's just a toss-away half the damn time. There's no fun in that. When you see someone decked out in purple gear you don't go "aw man I wanna be like 'dat guy" you just walk by because EVERYONE IS WEARING PURPLES ALL THE TIME.
The other (perhaps more personal) problem with WoW is zero motivation for players to do anything in the world anymore. No one does world PvP much anymore. Hell when you go to grief lowbies it isn't fun anymore, because all of them die too damn fast because of progression gear spikes. A level 85 will always beat everything below his or her level, regardless of skill 99% of the time. ETC ETC.
When you give a bunch of people a huge world, and those people never want to revisit it or do anything in it other than "end-game content" there's a problem.
/takes a breath
I enjoyed WoW quite a bit the little that I played it. I never got as far as the end-game, so I can't comment on what you said. My favorite Character was my Troll Druid, but I only ever got to level 40. I didn't have much time to play (uni/work/etc) so paying $15/month was too expensive for 15-20 hours of play. The only thing that would get me playing again would be going Free to Play.
