Can we talk about the "friend zone" and "nice guys" for a moment?

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betafotball

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"I wish I could find a guy like you"

The reason that so many guys get upset/depressed when they hear those words is because it is a heavy blow against their self-esteem. The only thing they hear in those words are "You are not good enough" and even though that is not what the girl is saying that is what the guy hears.

The feeling of rejection is horrible and if the guy pulls himself away after a rejection it probably to protect himself from more harm than to be an arsehole. And the argument "Get into her pants" is hardly valid because if that is your goal then it was never about love. It was in that case only about sexual need rather than feelings.
 

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My girlfriend of 2+ years was your stereotypical high school friendzone situation. I bought us Taylor Swift tickets for her birthday, and that was our first date. We're now at two different universities in London, and very happy together. Take it from me, persistence can work!
 

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Mr.K. said:
bluepilot said:
I really hate it when guys become my friend just to get into my knickers, brrr, it is super super creepy.
Again operating under the assumption men are emotionless pussy hunters, as flattered as we may be by this Iron-man impression people go on it is only wishful thinking, if only leaving emotion aside was that simple.

If we could do it then friendships wouldn't ever come to mind, when you can simply get a girl drunk and see her inhibitions wash away till you get to hump her leg.
Truth however is that just isn't the real picture, we want to be wanted, we want people to desire us as a full package, add to that the daunting fear of rejection and you get the safe road to meeting people... friendship.
Not saying it's the right approach but the "pussy stalking creeper" idea starting to build up behind these things is just insane.
I assumed nothing. I am the current only copyright holder of my own opinions so please refrain from putting words into my mouth.

I have no problem per say with "emotionless pussy hunters", as long as they are honest in their intentions.

I cam understand what you are saying about the fear of rejection from relationships and therefore wanting to take the safe path. However, sometimes this inner conflict can give a very negative impression. I know that it is hard for guys to approach girls so I am kind to guys, but after some of the creeps I have met....brrr.....

There was this one guy who really hated women, but I quite liked him anyway because he was funny, but his hatred of women yet desire to pursue a physical relationship with me (the only girl who would talk to him), came into conflict and I got the brunt of it. Yet, he claimed himself to be the, "nice guy". In some ways this is true.

Once you have met a "pussy stalking creeper"......brrrr.....
 

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I've seen guys being friend-zoned. At the same time the girl(s) in question go for the "bad boy" type. The guy who treats them like crap, leaves them with bruises that they need those "wife-beaten sunglasses" to cover, and sleeps with their friends/sisters. (Oh, and they're soooo surprised when the "bad boys" are bad...) Working in retail I see couples like that all the time and it makes me wonder, what does that guy have that my friends didn't? Oh, a woman with no self esteem and no self respect. One thing to remember though, for the guys out there, is that an attractive woman has people being nice to her all the time. It is expected and therefore easily ignored. It's the guys that she has to chase that get her interested.

Have I been friend-zoned myself? I was thinking really hard about how to answer that. I have female friends that i'm in the friend-zone with... but that's because they're really awesome people who are already dating equally awesome people and I never steal. So I guess I have intentionally put myself in the friend-zone on a couple of occassions.
 

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ThePS1Fan said:
Please consult this video
Thanks.
Holy crap! Thanks for this. It sums up pretty much everything I try to explain to 'nice guys' who either fall for me or other girls and can't understand why we don't want them.
 

Teejonis Rahl

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Y'know what? Although this needs to be said (but has been said many times before) understanding is a two way street. So here it is from the other side.

You're alone. You've been alone for years. Sure, you have friends, maybe a lot of them, but those pesky human impulses want more. Everyone around you has found someone. Everyone keeps saying there's nothing wrong with you, but the evidence for this claim is scarce.

You meet someone. You like her (or him, if you're that way inclined) she seems to like you. Hard to tell, seeming as everyone you ask for advice peddles out useless cliches like "if it's meant to happen, it'll happen" and "someone for everyone". After building up the courage and figuring out how to do it, a hard task for someone with your lack of experience, you admit your feelings, and she doesn't feel the same.

You're heartbroken. Your seemingly anual (or even less frequent) singular chance has came and went, and you don't even know why. You talk to friends sooner or later, because hell, you can't keep this kind of hurt to yourself forever. More cliches, somehow even more useless than before.

Spending time with the person you liked is hard enough. Suspicions run through your mind, or simple excuses not to be there. She doesn't want you there. The very sight of you disgusts her. Even a bad reason for it to have happened is better than no reason at all. Eventually she gets someone else, and it becomes impossible to spend time with her, not because of jealousy necessarily, but you'll be looking at that person and using him as a battering ram against your own self esteem.

Now, what I'm saying here isn't that it's right, or fair, that the supposed "victim" of "the friend zone" does this, abandons what was a friend, but that it's understandable. People forget how hard it is to stay around someone you love that only likes you.

And I know why it happened to me. I know every damn day I look in the mirror and somehow look more of an abomination than the day before. Everyone's shallow, I know that, even I'm shallow a little. You can't lie and say that isn't the reason, because 90% of the time, it is. Now I don't do that to girls anymore. I don't disappear with barely a word. Because I don't ask girls out anymore, because I know there is only one conclusion, that she rejects me, and either I leave her forever, or completely destroy myself by staying. I've accepted the fact that I will never be wanted. I am a horrifying, disgusting creature, and it was always a bit unfair to expect anyone to be attracted to me, but that doesn't make it an easy thing to accept.

So yeah. It's not fair or right that this "friendzone" effect exists, but it does, because you just don't stop wanting someone because they don't want them back. Quoted because I'm interested to know what you think.
Honestly, this was me for a bit, but I tell you what, when you hang around 'that girl' long enough, you become more attractive. Wanna know why? 'cause she loves who you are. It may take a while (took years for me) until you become her first choice, not a rebound guy, not a pity guy, but a legit great guy she loves. Why? Because you were there through everything, through the beautiful things and the ugly things. Especially helps if you never make a move on her, because then she will be curious and may actually want you because you don't show too much interest (gasp!). Hey, if it doesn't work out, still got a great friend! (woot woot!) Forgetting is easier than what people make it out to be, it's true.
 

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personally I'm gay so I don't really have the friendzone problem, but I have seen alot of women lead on a guy that has been friendzoned. They know that the guy wants them so they get him to buy them stuff, or take care of them in bad situations.

I had one girl ask me if it was wrong to flirt with a guy to buy her a pizza even though she new the guy liked her and she had no intention of ever dating the guy. I told her "idk its kinda what girls do." and then she got mad at me.

idk women are confusing and weird.
 

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The friend zone can be an interesting thing. I've often considered that, as a girl, life would be much easier if we could just fall for the guys who liked us. Case in point: I have a very good friend who is one of the sweetest guys I've ever known. He makes me laugh, listens thoughtfully to my video game ranting even though he doesn't get it, loves my cooking and I have a ball hanging out with him. The problem? I'm just not attracted to him, but every person and their dog that we both know has come back to me with "You realise he has it bad for you, right?". Secondary problem: I've got pretty strong feelings for his boss and my friend knows it.

Now, in my defense, I knew his boss first. I'd liked the guy since the moment he shook my hand, looked me in the eye, smiled and told me his name. Thing is, girls can be dicks about friendzoning. Yeah, I'll admit it. Some girls like to turn the screw in until the guy is screaming in agony. I'm not that kind of girl(usually, I'll either try and keep my mate's boss out of our conversation or let him bring the guy up).

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that sometimes guys have the right to whinge about being friend-zoned. Heck, I've had it happen to me often enough. But you know, I'd much rather be their friend than lose them altogether. :)
 

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bluepilot said:
I assumed nothing. I am the current only copyright holder of my own opinions so please refrain from putting words into my mouth.
I have no problem per say with "emotionless pussy hunters", as long as they are honest in their intentions.
Oh I see, well if you already made up your mind then the point of my post was rather lost.
Bottom line is if people cared to understand one another there would be far less of these pointing fingers and laughing debacles.
 

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I'm prepared to put my hand up and admit I have been guilty of indulging the mindset of friendship+time=relationship. In fact, the first time I was educated about 'the friend zone' was in response to the girl in question saying 'I just want to find a good, nice guy' [words to that effect] and myself responding [slightly petulantly, literally through gritted teeth] 'there's one sitting right next to you'.

Now, I'm prouder to say that I'm still very good friends with this person, even though it still sometimes kills me inside to be in such a so-near-and-yet-so-far position (which, I may suggest is what really drives many a friend zone complainer half mad).

Having expended a huge amount of thought (alright, a moderate amount of thought and a huge amount of incandescent angst) on the matter, I think what annoys me personally -and which I'd be interested to see if others feel similarly- is this:

It sometimes seems almost as if Nice Guys are viewed as rather like a public service; in that they should be conveniently available by default. Now, I don't deny for one moment that many a young lady deserves only the finest young gentleman who will treat her properly (not least my dear friend, who's just broken up with someone who was not and did not). But what gets under my skin is the girls whose actual preference is fun with a fit, muscle-bound alpha-male type and then a nice guy later on for when they want staid reliability.

My point? The difficulty for a girl in finding a nice guy (in SOME, let me be clear, not ALL cases)may be because the nice guy who would have done anything for her has been so crushed inside by watching her flirt and court and associate with shallow Adonis types that he no longer has the self-worth or confidence to greet the day with an open heart anymore.

Now, yes this is all based on self-experience. I was driven to the point of self-harming by perceiving things in this way and, as a result, I'm determined never to indulge romantic inclinations ever again. However, it's a viewpoint from the other side of the fence, which I believe was the intention of the OP.
 

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Mr.K. said:
bluepilot said:
I assumed nothing. I am the current only copyright holder of my own opinions so please refrain from putting words into my mouth.
I have no problem per say with "emotionless pussy hunters", as long as they are honest in their intentions.
Oh I see, well if you already made up your mind then the point of my post was rather lost.
Bottom line is if people cared to understand one another there would be far less of these pointing fingers and laughing debacles.
You are still putting words in my mouth. I know you mean well and you probably do not mean to do it but I'm afraid that I do not appreciate having my internal dialogue construed. Would you be kind enough to stop that please?

I can certainly agree with your second point though. It would be a great world if we all took the time to get to know each other better. However, this can be quite difficult at times as expressing yourself and communication are not always the easiest of things. I think the two of us are having a hard time understanding each other but nevermind. This is an internet forum and we might have more success at a hypothetical cafe over a hypothetical chocolate parfait.
 

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imahobbit4062 said:
I'd agree with the whole "Just because you're nice doesn't entitle you to a relationship with them"
However, the friend I had feelings for, hooked up with me (while she was completely sober mind you) months after we became friends, then when I confessed my feelings for her I was instantly friend zoned.
Now that was bullshit.
I experienced something similar and it was not pleasant. "Yeah, you know that amazing sex we just had? That deep emotional and physical bond we just shared? I don't like you anymore." If a man did that to a woman, he's be seen as an inhuman monster. (It doesn't make women or men "inhuman monsters," but as you said, that is some bullshit.)

I'm going to take a slightly counter opinion to the "guys are whiny jerks" and say that when you find out that someone you want to have a relationship with doesn't like you like that, you DO have a right to be upset about it. It's disappointing and if you didn't feel anything at all, something might be wrong with you or you might have never been really attracted to this person. Granted, it's not her problem and you shouldn't say anything mean to her or make ridiculous demands. But whether you want to stay friends is entirely up to you.

Personally, I'd opt to stay friends. People grow and change and the person that she might become might like you that way. It's a long shot, but anything's possible. Also, girls also have friends that are girls. They talk about us and if you act like an ass, it will get around. And if you really are a good friend, she might take pity on you and set you up with another good friend. Networking is very beneficial.

Plus, if this girl who friend zoned you changes her mind one day, maybe by then you'll have found someone else and she'll just have to feel like an idiot that she didn't accept you way back when. You wouldn't want to miss out on that, would you? The best revenge is to live well.
 

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JoesshittyOs said:
Hagi said:
As far as I'm concerned the "Friend Zone" is an entirely fictional thing made up by teenagers to avoid admitting their own inexperience and clumsiness.
I've never particularly viewed the term "friend zoned" as a whiny thing. It's just a term to described that the person you've been pursuing only views you as a friend. It's not fictional, and it's something that you are well within your power to change. It's just a phrase, no different from saying something like "she hates me".

I've just always been confused with people like you who try to turn it into a thing people say to avoid the fact that it's somehow their fault that they didn't win over the person. It's just a simple term to describe the relationship between two people.
I have to agree with you 100%. I have never used it as an excuse as to why I didn't get the girl or as a crutch to say I was owed a date. To me the Friend Zone is a term used to describe the effect of someone you like romantically only liking you as a friend. I am sure there are asshats out there who use the "Friend Zone" term as a crutch and these people are mostly going to be awkward or inexperienced guys trying to get that mythical golden goose, just like there are guys that engineer situations and feelings to "get" the girl as though she was a game. Honestly I think the latter of the two are the larger problem, but it doesn't get whined about. Women can also help alleviate the amount this happens by making their feelings known when the guy starts to present those "signs". Having grown up around mostly women (family, friends, community, ect) I know women can detect the signs (well most can). Especially the signs from the socially awkward and shy guys. The women then continue on with the friendship knowing what the eventuality is. So is the woman not at least partially at fault for having let her situation become engineered around her (note I do not mean this for every situation). The fault could also be put on the ROMCOMS for causing an excess of people thinking this is a good idea.

PS: If you are friend zoned, figure out why and work on it. Crying about it does absolutely nothing for your situation. Get up, get over it, and get moving.
 

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Raven said:
Quite the hilarious picture I've just seen...

Hmm, I actually made a thread about that picture a long time ago - seems they've added some extra stuff to it, the last 4 windows weren't there before^^
 

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Glad to see someone has the balls to face facts. I used to get friend zoned frequently but halfway through college i figured how that it was getting me nowhere. Now I'm still a nice guy but If I'm on a date, I'm not at all subtle about my intentions. One bit advice I will add to those seeking play; if she'll let you touch her crotch, she'll have sex with you, scientifically proven.
 

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As someone who has been "Friendzoned" enough times to get my mail there, yes it sucks, I tend to stay involved in the vain hope that one day one might pan out at least as a date. Remember the effects of the last gamble don't effect the next one, so eventually one will pan out, probity.

But one the existence of guy culture having the term "Friendzone", it's warranted, It allows for other not to go blindly were you have tread and avoid the mistakes you have made.