Isn't it more stereotypical to find these kind of jumped-up redneck waste-of-oxygen dipshits in the American south and not the Canadian border?
Canadian SF Author beaten and arrested at Border Crossing.
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I don't live in the US, but it's not hard to read between the lines here.PedroSteckecilo said:
If you're at a border crossing, surely, you expect to get your vehicle searched. I think that would just be standard procedure. So Mr. I Am Such An Important Author here got his vehicle searched and instead of just shutting up and letting it happen like you or me would, he started getting all uppity and saying "why are you searching my car" when common sense should tell him damn well why his car is being searched, so the cops thought that they'd fuck with him a little to teach him a lesson in humility. He was probably being a jerkoff.
This is what police do. Police are the ones in charge, and if you act like a dickhead, they will assert their authority. Like Michael Gira says, "nobody beats you like a cop with a club".
It's not the Police's job to arrest people for 'being a jerkoff', last I checked. They're there to uphold and protect the law. "Teaching people a lesson in humility"? That sounds very dangerously close to letting them get away with police brutality.BonsaiK said:
To Protect and Serve indeed.
I think you're being a bit of a jerkoff right now, so I am just as entitled as those cops to give you a beating?BonsaiK said:
Their job is to enforce the law, not go nuts at anybody who looks at them funny then lock them up for it, thats what a street thug does.
I wasn't saying it was justified. I was just saying - if you act arrogant to police, this is what happens. It doesn't matter if it's "not their job". If you go up to some cops and act like you're Mr. Important and give them a hard time while they're doing their jobs, there is good odds that they are going to mess with you. Is it justified? No. Is it professional behaviour? No. Is it going to happen anyway? More than likely.Knight Templar said:
You really think the job of the police is to protect and serve the people? Not in America. Our Supreme Court decided on June 27, 2005, in Castle Rock vs Gonzales that the police have no requirement to protect and serve the people. In the case, the police were being sued because they refused to enforce a restraining order between an estranged husband and his wife, which led to the murder of her three children.Amnestic said:
Now I'm not an ACAB type of person, but it is well known police will step over the line given the slightest provocation. You should treat them as cautiously as you would if a car full of gang members pulled you over and started asking things, Hence, he's appealing to common sense; not what's right. In many places 911 can be a joke, or cause you more trouble than the original crime. In other places it might help a great deal. Cops are a mixed bag of people and like most things, you should prepare for the worst. The Blue Wall of silence and judicial system is almost always biased towards the police. You were beating them? Two weeks paid leave. If you absolutely don't want to talk to them you can always ask "Am I under arrest?" until they say "No", in which case you ask "Can I leave now?" until they say "Yes". If they say "Yes, you're under arrest", ask for an attorney and don't talk, because they will use anything against you if they want to later. If you're really paranoid and worried about them not giving a direct answer and just attacking you for "obstructing justice" or "disobeying an order" keep a recording device you can activate during these encounters, and keep it hidden or it will probably be seized, corrupt cop or not.
The job of the police in this country is to file reports and make revenue, solve crimes, and protect the established system and order (To understand what I mean by the third item see:G# meetings and riot police sent in to calm down protests/riots/party conventions. Which is sometimes good,sometimes bad, depending on who's being an asshat).
Though it was biased I'm going to have to agree that the police seemed to go over the line though he shouldn't have stepped out of the car.
Khell Sennet minus the K, n and e make hell Sent. The k, n and e can be rearranged to make Ken. This makes the sentence "Hell sent Ken" presumably to these forums.Amnestic said:
This.Wildrow12 said:
I mean, I have family in the RCMP, my brother actually works with the police department in Port Huron frequently (he's a paramedic, and I think a medic on the SWAT team), a good friend of mine works in customs, and I always love talking to cops about proper etiquette, and the answers are always the same: Do what you're told, and don't do anything we don't tell you to do.
That doesn't strike me as oppressive, but strikes me as common sense. If I get pulled over, I know I don't have a gun, or drugs, or a knife, or a record. But the cop doesn't know that. And if I start getting out of my car, or fishing around in the back seat, or digging through my pockets or something, then the cop has every right to err on the side of his safety. In the few times I got pulled over, I always turned my car off, put the keys on the dashboard, and kept my hands on the wheel. I did what I was told, I moved slowly, and I answered with 'yes sir' and 'no sir'. That goes double for whenever I crossed the border.
Cops, and border guards, have a really shitty job, and they have to deal with the lowest of the low of society every day, and have to discern serious threats based on little or vague information, body language, and verbal 'tells'. I can't stand how people love to jump on the hate train with these men and women trying to do their job keeping people safe. Certainly there are bad cops and guards, just like there are jerks in every walk of life, but these generalized, ignorant, sweeping slams against cops and border guards has really got to stop. It's idiotic.
And a bit more on topic: This guy was a complete moron to get out of the car, if he did it without being told to. And this article, written with hear-say and with information from the guy who was arrested (Go figure he'd say he's innocent), doesn't strike me as a credible source for all the facts. I'm not saying the guards are innocent for sure, but I'm certainly not saying that this author is a 'victim'.
well I WOULD say he shouldn't have got out of the car but clearly if he managed to ask 2 questions before getting beaten then that wasn't why they beat him to shit. I just think it's another example of police being jumpy. who can blame them when these REAL EVENTS happen...
Fixed your post slightlyGlefistus said:
I pretty much share the same views, but I have to remind myself they are generally exaggerations of the truth. Britain maybe Orwellian but at least its not Somalia.
As an Englishman the media tells us daily how we all live in "Broken Britain" lol.Internet Kraken said:
you do realize when they do a full search of the car, like they were, you have to get out of the car. it's not like they just ask you to pop the trunk and that's it.Baby Tea said:
so really he was doing exactly what they asked of him. they even asked him to waive his rights a few times as well
Exactly this. My brother used to be a patrol officer, and as he told me, every time you stop a car, your life is put on the line. You don't know who's in that car, what's in that car, or what's going to happen next. And if someone reaches for the dashboard, in their pockets, or starts to get out of the car, you are trained to assume they have a gun and are trying to draw it.Baby Tea said:
The perfect way to get through a traffic stop is to turn off your car or put it in park, keep both of your hands on the wheel at 10 and 2, and stare straight ahead. If you have passengers, have them put their hands on the dashboard/back of the seat, so the cop can keep his eyes on all of your hands at the same time.
AS I said before, even if said author acted like a jerkoff, the proper "procedure" would be to isolate him until he'd turned back into a reasonable person. Having had my life threatened at work, it's NOT pleasant and you do react on your gut instincts, whatever your brain is telling you.
However, given the beatings continued over, what was it? 4 hours...I think that's rationale for some serious investigation into their conduct.
However, given the beatings continued over, what was it? 4 hours...I think that's rationale for some serious investigation into their conduct.