"Cannabis use under Licence" Proposes leading Scientist

[cold killer pov]

Schizophrenia

Not been proven, they cant decide if people with Schizophrenia seek out weed or if it causes it. Even if it did, how is it any worse than liver damager or lung cancer (granted weed will lead to lung cancer, im not in denial) Also im not trying to have ago just thought id say it.

Dont think you should need a license, should just be just rules for it like drinking and smoking, like not allowed it everywhere, just certain places/shops and your own home. Would work a lot better, just normal 18 rules should apply and maybe a limit.. so you cant buy too much in a certain time.. or it could get bad, but then it just gets harder to control and people look for ways to break rules.

I think make it legal, plant a person and only in your own home and designated areas

 

[jasoncyrus]

It doesn't mean the government can control what goes into it. it means they control what goes into THEIR brand.

True. Everyone knows that there are many ways to make weed, and a great variety of ingredients go into it.

Dealers will stop because the profit has gone. Simple.

Its ironic you should tell someone to grow up, seeing as a major sign of maturity is shutting the fuck up when people are talking about something you know nothing about and listening to see if you can learn something. It is clear you havent the slightest fucking idea about drugs, the people who sell them, the people who take them. The same goes for Agayek.

Oh sure because the government is going to sell you stuff that is as strong or stronger than what dealers dish out. Dude, take the viel off your eyes. Either that or go into rehab. Clearly it's rotting your brain far more than first thought.

So if you're going to curse and general be a dick just because people are trying to show you how niave you are being. Feel free to go OD or throw yourself into traffic because you arn't contributing to the discussion what so ever. Even console fanboys contribute more than you.

Once again I point out with a single word.

Percocet.

It's legal, is controlled, yet dealers still make profit off it. *gasp* who would've thought such a thing could happen!

Once again, grow up and take the rose tinted glasses off.

 

[C95J]

great, they want you to be able to do drugs if you have a license, what next? A licence to Kill?

damn you James Bond!

 

[Resistance205]

I smoke weed, and so far I have no problems. In fact I seem to be a bit fitter and able to run miles and miles, hopping over fences on both legs.

Ok, I slightly exaggerated there. Maybe I'm not as athletic as I let on, but I have no problems with it, and honestly I think people are going to get it no matter what, and they will always find ways and people to get it off.
At least if the government legalizes it with a license, it'll be money to the Government with a license.

 

[Nazz3]

Why not. Besides, isnt it actually healthier than smoking?

 

[Timmey]

A cannabis liscence would simply make it ok for people to smoke toxic chemicals and waste their lives getting stoned instead of doing something productive with their life!

Yeah because every one knows that every one who smokes weed are just lay abouts who do nothing product with their lives, oh wait, that not true!

It should be legalised because it would remove the black market element, criminals would no longer profit from it.

Along with this it means the government can control what goes into it and at what strength, whilst turning a tidy profit.

Oh so making something legal INSTANTLY gets rid of all criminal activity on it? Oh wait no.

One word: Percocet.

Legal, prescription required, yet still thousands arrested every year for illegal possesion with a prescription *gasp* Could it be that drug addicts are still totally predictable idiot? Such shock and horror!

It doesn't mean the government can control what goes into it. it means they control what goes into THEIR brand.

What exactly makes you think the current dealers will magically stop? Grow up please.

What make me think they will stop? To start with they will loose a huge amount of demand, why wouldn't you just buy the government brand, that way you know what you are getting. Most of the weed smokers I know smoke their own home grown or their mates home grown because they don't trust what dealers put in theirs!

Also if you legalised it, without the need of prescription, then your example would not apply.

Grow up please? Hahaha

 

[thenumberthirteen]

Schizophrenia

Not been proven, they cant decide if people with Schizophrenia seek out weed or if it causes it.

Even better to place extra restrictions on those at risk then.

 

[jasoncyrus]

A cannabis liscence would simply make it ok for people to smoke toxic chemicals and waste their lives getting stoned instead of doing something productive with their life!

Yeah because every one knows that every one who smokes weed are just lay abouts who do nothing product with their lives, oh wait, that not true!

It should be legalised because it would remove the black market element, criminals would no longer profit from it.

Along with this it means the government can control what goes into it and at what strength, whilst turning a tidy profit.

Oh so making something legal INSTANTLY gets rid of all criminal activity on it? Oh wait no.

One word: Percocet.

Legal, prescription required, yet still thousands arrested every year for illegal possesion with a prescription *gasp* Could it be that drug addicts are still totally predictable idiot? Such shock and horror!

It doesn't mean the government can control what goes into it. it means they control what goes into THEIR brand.

What exactly makes you think the current dealers will magically stop? Grow up please.

What make me think they will stop? To start with they will loose a huge amount of demand, why wouldn't you just buy the government brand, that way you know what you are getting. Most of the weed smokers I know smoke their own home grown or their mates home grown because they don't trust what dealers put in theirs!

Also if you legalised it, without the need of prescription, then your example would not apply.

Grown up please? Hahaha

Dear gods, its true, weed does wreck the logic centre of your brain. You people make me sad to be part of the human race. You really do, honestly, you cant find satisfaction in your life so you turn to a hallucinogenic drug to escape reality...

Yeah...huge amount of self esteem you have there mate.

But back on point: Since you don't have the ability to think logically anymore i'll help that poor abused brain of yours and point you in the right direction.

Example: Pirateed DVDs, theres the perfect quality of a new one and the original crappy quality of pirated discs. So what did the bootleggers do? They got better at it and now a proper bootlegged copy is practically indistinguishable from a brand new copy.

What the hell makes you think dealers arn't going to adapt and simply make a better product? Or better, just do like they do with percocet, get it from an outlet and then sell it on the streets?

Once again, grow up and get a clue.

 

[Red Right Hand]

I disagree. You don't need a license for alcohol or cigarettes, and being that cannabis is significantly less harmful it should be held to the same standards as they are. Maybe a license to grow it would make sense, I'd support that, but not to use it. We are meant to live in a free country here, but we aren't free to put whatever we want in our own bodies? Bullshit.

I agree with this statement. Canabis isn't acid, Ecstasy, speed, Heroine, or cocaine. It has weak effects unless smoked in large quantities or it's a strong strain. You don't halucinate, you trip. You feel carious sensations. Smokeing canabis and drinking alcohol give (almost) similar effects in this regard.

So why can we drink alcohol but not smoke canabis?

Acid is one of the least toxic drugs known to man. It can have quite bad psychological effects but only if you're mentally and/or emotionally unstable. Which few people actually are.

OT: Why don't we just give the power of whether we smoke weed or not, to the individual. I'm not harming anybody sitting smoking a joint, so I don't see why the government has to interfere. I literally cannot get my head around why weed is still illegal.

 

[jasoncyrus]

I part agree with your sarcasm. Smokers can die of lungcancer in the gutter for all I care. They know the risks, why the hell should we waste our health resources treating them? Same for drug addicts, if you use drug you get NOTHING from the government, no healthcare, no benefits, no police, nothing. We will however offer them the option to be air dropped into guatimala.

Fucking hell. Half the escapist spends half there time moaning about "losing faith in humanity" and "what the world is coming too" but when asked if you would help your fellow man.... Haha.

The part about lung cancer - we had this in a thread a couple of months ago. I did the math. Did you know a single smoker earns the government roughly 70,000 euros in taxes just from cigs? Compare that to the costs of treatment.

Look, drug users are people who look into a mind altering substance to get away from there hate filled lifes (for the most part anyway). This whole "deal consequences" bullshit is ridiculous. That heroin addict is a human too. He laughs, he crys. And letting a life go to waste just because "he knew the consequences".... Two things: 1) You have no idea how valuable life is, and 2) You have no idea how fast you can get sucked into drug use. To me it appears your life has been far too easy, you are so used to having sugar pumped into your ass you take everything for granted.

Gah, I hope your mother gets addicted to heroin and no one helps her, and you can watch her die slowly. You have no idea what relatives or friends of addicts have been through, if you did, you would value human life a little higher than you do know.

My life has been easy because I wasn't a moron who turned to drugs instead of doing the smart thing like getting a job cleaning toilets or shovelling shit and then moving the fuck away.

Seriously, if your life is that filled with hate, you are seriously doing it wrong and need serious help.

If you turn to drug because your life is fucked up then no you arn't human you are LESS than human. You are a weak minded pathetic individual who is far too stupid to even reach out to somone and say "I need help". There are programs and protocols setup to give aid advice and support to people in troubled areas. You just have to be willing to work your ass off to crawl out of the hole your life may have become.

And that my friend is something no drug user on the planet is capable of doing. If there were, they wouldn't be drug users anymore, would they?

So no, I have no caring for these sub-humanoids at all. There are ways out, they choose to stay in the hole their life is, so why should i have any sympathy at all?

As for the family threat, tut tut, you should've gone with aids, it's much more flame worthy since heroin is pretty old news now and there are thousands upon thousands of free rehab centres.

Also: She's not retarded like you drug users =)

 

[Timmey]

A cannabis liscence would simply make it ok for people to smoke toxic chemicals and waste their lives getting stoned instead of doing something productive with their life!

Yeah because every one knows that every one who smokes weed are just lay abouts who do nothing product with their lives, oh wait, that not true!

It should be legalised because it would remove the black market element, criminals would no longer profit from it.

Along with this it means the government can control what goes into it and at what strength, whilst turning a tidy profit.

Oh so making something legal INSTANTLY gets rid of all criminal activity on it? Oh wait no.

One word: Percocet.

Legal, prescription required, yet still thousands arrested every year for illegal possesion with a prescription *gasp* Could it be that drug addicts are still totally predictable idiot? Such shock and horror!

It doesn't mean the government can control what goes into it. it means they control what goes into THEIR brand.

What exactly makes you think the current dealers will magically stop? Grow up please.

What make me think they will stop? To start with they will loose a huge amount of demand, why wouldn't you just buy the government brand, that way you know what you are getting. Most of the weed smokers I know smoke their own home grown or their mates home grown because they don't trust what dealers put in theirs!

Also if you legalised it, without the need of prescription, then your example would not apply.

Grown up please? Hahaha

Dear gods, its true, weed does wreck the logic centre of your brain. You people make me sad to be part of the human race. You really do, honestly, you cant find satisfaction in your life so you turn to a hallucinogenic drug to escape reality...

Yeah...huge amount of self esteem you have there mate.

But back on point: Since you don't have the ability to think logically anymore i'll help that poor abused brain of yours and point you in the right direction.

Example: Pirateed DVDs, theres the perfect quality of a new one and the original crappy quality of pirated discs. So what did the bootleggers do? They got better at it and now a proper bootlegged copy is practically indistinguishable from a brand new copy.

What the hell makes you think dealers arn't going to adapt and simply make a better product? Or better, just do like they do with percocet, get it from an outlet and then sell it on the streets?

Once again, grow up and get a clue.

Gah, brick wall anyone?

Drugs are different to DVD's you cant compare the two !

You seem to misunderstand the fact that weed isn't some sort of killer drug that once you smoke once will ruin your life and mean you will do anything for another hit, this isnt heroin here, its weed! Of course you will buy the store version, its safer and easier to get hold of, probably cheaper and of better quality. Also dealers cant adapt and beat the government, they will simply price them out of the market.

Also, how about you do some basic economics ey ? ''Or better, just do like they do with percocet, get it from an outlet and then sell it on the streets?''. How the hell is any dealer gona turn a profit like that you genius!?

 

[b3nn3tt]

You don't need a license for alcohol or cigarettes, and being that cannabis is significantly less harmful it should be held to the same standards as they are

I dislike this argument for legalising anything. This is actually an argument in favour of making cigarettes and alcohol illegal. If they are bad, then they should be made illegal, they shouldn't be made the benchmark for what to legalise

Having said that, I am fully in favour of legalising not just marijuana, but all drugs. Making something illegal is not a good means of stopping people from doing it, if I wanted to go out and get some cocaine right now then I could do easily enough, regardless of the legality. If all drugs were made legal tomorrow, the number of people using them would only go up by a slight amount. It should be down to the individual to make an informed choice about what they want to put into their body. The more sensible-minded among us would be aware of the risks of doing so, and make an informed decision

The reason people do it is simple, the punishment is way too low. Prison is a holiday camp these days. Can guarentee you the number of addicts that get caught would drop like a brick if the punishment was being executed for possesion. Or being sent to a prison of Shawshank standards for 50 years.

People would still do it if that was the case. Granted, the number would be incredibly lowered, but it would still happen

Realistically, though, that sort of punishment just wouldn't be feasible. You couldn't have such a hefty sentence for such a low level crime. If you were executed for possession of of a drug, what could be the punishment for murder?

I think that a better way of decreasing the number of drug users, and of decreasing the dangers associated with drugs, is to legalise and regulate them. Holland has a lower percentage of cannabis users than several other European countries, and cannbis is legalised there. The Czech Republic has made it legal to possess a certain amount of a number of drugs, including cannabis, heroin and crack, and their drug use is lower than many other countries. I'm also willing to bet that drugs would be much safer if they were regulated by the government, as they wouldn't be cut with various other, possibly more dangerous, things

 

[jasoncyrus]

Oh sure because the government is going to sell you stuff that is as strong or stronger than what dealers dish out. Dude, take the viel off your eyes. Either that or go into rehab. Clearly it's rotting your brain far more than first thought.

HAHAHAHAHA! What the HELL are you talking about, kid? For fucks sake, how old are you, 12? The governent isnt going to be selling that shit, its going to be the pharmacy industry, the government has NOTHING to do with it apart from the fact that they might tax it! And trust me, the pharmacy industry is clever enough to out do dealers in terms of drugs, I mean, they are doing it already after all!

Percocet? *Snort* Yeah, lets just use one example and not bother to compare it with the other 500000 examples that are saying something else. Just take a look at Holland! The only criminal activity with drugs is the growing of marijuana, which happens to be illegal (sale and use is tolerated, but you arent allowed to have more than 4 plants).

If valuing life is niave and something for people who have fried there brain, then I am happily niave and my brain has obviously been fried from all those drugs I havent taken.

I was hoping someone would talk about holland.

Simply put, Holland did not have enormous drug cartels before it was legalised. Nor did it have MILLIONS of dealers and growers, nor did it have chinese cannabis farming rings.

Because of the existing financial situation for weed dealers, that system would NEVER work in the likes of the US.

 

[Agayek]

*Epic Facepalm*

Read that last sentence of yours over and over. Until you realise how stupid that statement is.

Anyhow, I guess you are right. Trying to help people who are in need is a waste of time. We should let smokers who get lung cancer die at home, without treatment. Pen tips shouldnt have those little holes in them, people need to deal with the consequences. Why do we have people at beaches to safe those dudes that get sweeped out to sea? They know full well they cant swim. We should let them die.

There's a difference between "potential accident" and "this is going to kill you".

In addition, I never said anything about letting them die. All I said was that the government should not be contributing towards their healthcare. They made the decision to use their substance of choice to the point where it created a health hazard. They have no one to blame but themselves, and therefore there should be no government support for those who bring it on themselves.

Just like there shouldn't be government support for obese people who have a heart attack or people that decide it's a good idea to play frisbee with a landmine (yes, that has actually happened).

People are free to make their own choices, but they should not expect the government (or anyone else for that matter) to mitigate the consequences.

"it's a matter of facing the consequences of your own decisions". Someday, you will make a bad decision. And that day, you will wish people around you cared more for each other. But they wont help you, because you are acting like a senseless douchebag.

Lay off the "Tough luck deal with it" act. Yes, drug addicts made a bad decision(s), that does NOT mean they should be left to die in a ditch at the side of the road.

I really hope your attitude comes back to kick you in the ass hard someday. I am sure it will.

Matter of fact, I have made bad decisions, and I have dealt/will deal with the consequences. I'm not a druggy, but I've made the conscious choice to eat unhealthily and lead a very sedentary life. I am most likely going to have Type-2 diabetes and/or a heart attack by the age of 40. I neither want nor expect anyone but myself and my insurance provider to pay for any of it.

Addicts should not expect special treatment. They made the conscious choice to start, and continue, the use of their drugs. Expecting the government to swoop in and pay for it all is like tying raw, bloody steaks to your arms, jumping into the hyena pit at the zoo and expecting the government covers your medical bills. Or eating nothing but Big Macs for 4 months straight then expecting McDonald's to pay for your triple bypass surgery. It's a ridiculous, childish sense of entitlement that no one should have. When you make a choice, you accept the responsibility that entails, which just happens to include dealing with the consequences. It's part of a being an adult.

 

[jasoncyrus]

snip

In my previous post I explained the improbability of the holland situation due to existing drug rings etc.

A cannabis liscence would simply make it ok for people to smoke toxic chemicals and waste their lives getting stoned instead of doing something productive with their life!

Yeah because every one knows that every one who smokes weed are just lay abouts who do nothing product with their lives, oh wait, that not true!

It should be legalised because it would remove the black market element, criminals would no longer profit from it.

Along with this it means the government can control what goes into it and at what strength, whilst turning a tidy profit.

Oh so making something legal INSTANTLY gets rid of all criminal activity on it? Oh wait no.

One word: Percocet.

Legal, prescription required, yet still thousands arrested every year for illegal possesion with a prescription *gasp* Could it be that drug addicts are still totally predictable idiot? Such shock and horror!

It doesn't mean the government can control what goes into it. it means they control what goes into THEIR brand.

What exactly makes you think the current dealers will magically stop? Grow up please.

What make me think they will stop? To start with they will loose a huge amount of demand, why wouldn't you just buy the government brand, that way you know what you are getting. Most of the weed smokers I know smoke their own home grown or their mates home grown because they don't trust what dealers put in theirs!

Also if you legalised it, without the need of prescription, then your example would not apply.

Grown up please? Hahaha

Dear gods, its true, weed does wreck the logic centre of your brain. You people make me sad to be part of the human race. You really do, honestly, you cant find satisfaction in your life so you turn to a hallucinogenic drug to escape reality...

Yeah...huge amount of self esteem you have there mate.

But back on point: Since you don't have the ability to think logically anymore i'll help that poor abused brain of yours and point you in the right direction.

Example: Pirateed DVDs, theres the perfect quality of a new one and the original crappy quality of pirated discs. So what did the bootleggers do? They got better at it and now a proper bootlegged copy is practically indistinguishable from a brand new copy.

What the hell makes you think dealers arn't going to adapt and simply make a better product? Or better, just do like they do with percocet, get it from an outlet and then sell it on the streets?

Once again, grow up and get a clue.

Gah, brick wall anyone?

Drugs are different to DVD's you cant compare the two !

You seem to misunderstand the fact that weed isn't some sort of killer drug that once you smoke once will ruin your life and mean you will do anything for another hit, this isnt heroin here, its weed! Of course you will buy the store version, its safer and easier to get hold of, probably cheaper and of better quality. Also dealers cant adapt and beat the government, they will simply price them out of the market.

Also, how about you do some basic economics ey ? ''Or better, just do like they do with percocet, get it from an outlet and then sell it on the streets?''. How the hell is any dealer gona turn a profit like that you genius!?

I was comparing the adaptation mechanics, genius -.- They are able to be applied to the drug situation also.

No its not a killer drug. its WORSE than a killer drug. A Killer drug like herion has the decncy to kill you. Weed leaves you permanently brain damaged which you lot have so clearly demonstrated in this idiotic thread.

The only one whos even trying to have a civilised discussion is b3nn3tt.

 

[Timmey]

snip

In my previous post I explained the improbability of the holland situation due to existing drug rings etc.

A cannabis liscence would simply make it ok for people to smoke toxic chemicals and waste their lives getting stoned instead of doing something productive with their life!

Yeah because every one knows that every one who smokes weed are just lay abouts who do nothing product with their lives, oh wait, that not true!

It should be legalised because it would remove the black market element, criminals would no longer profit from it.

Along with this it means the government can control what goes into it and at what strength, whilst turning a tidy profit.

Oh so making something legal INSTANTLY gets rid of all criminal activity on it? Oh wait no.

One word: Percocet.

Legal, prescription required, yet still thousands arrested every year for illegal possesion with a prescription *gasp* Could it be that drug addicts are still totally predictable idiot? Such shock and horror!

It doesn't mean the government can control what goes into it. it means they control what goes into THEIR brand.

What exactly makes you think the current dealers will magically stop? Grow up please.

What make me think they will stop? To start with they will loose a huge amount of demand, why wouldn't you just buy the government brand, that way you know what you are getting. Most of the weed smokers I know smoke their own home grown or their mates home grown because they don't trust what dealers put in theirs!

Also if you legalised it, without the need of prescription, then your example would not apply.

Grown up please? Hahaha

Dear gods, its true, weed does wreck the logic centre of your brain. You people make me sad to be part of the human race. You really do, honestly, you cant find satisfaction in your life so you turn to a hallucinogenic drug to escape reality...

Yeah...huge amount of self esteem you have there mate.

But back on point: Since you don't have the ability to think logically anymore i'll help that poor abused brain of yours and point you in the right direction.

Example: Pirateed DVDs, theres the perfect quality of a new one and the original crappy quality of pirated discs. So what did the bootleggers do? They got better at it and now a proper bootlegged copy is practically indistinguishable from a brand new copy.

What the hell makes you think dealers arn't going to adapt and simply make a better product? Or better, just do like they do with percocet, get it from an outlet and then sell it on the streets?

Once again, grow up and get a clue.

Gah, brick wall anyone?

Drugs are different to DVD's you cant compare the two !

You seem to misunderstand the fact that weed isn't some sort of killer drug that once you smoke once will ruin your life and mean you will do anything for another hit, this isnt heroin here, its weed! Of course you will buy the store version, its safer and easier to get hold of, probably cheaper and of better quality. Also dealers cant adapt and beat the government, they will simply price them out of the market.

Also, how about you do some basic economics ey ? ''Or better, just do like they do with percocet, get it from an outlet and then sell it on the streets?''. How the hell is any dealer gona turn a profit like that you genius!?

I was comparing the adaptation mechanics, genius -.- They are able to be applied to the drug situation also.

No its not a killer drug. its WORSE than a killer drug. A Killer drug like herion has the decncy to kill you. Weed leaves you permanently brain damaged which you lot have so clearly demonstrated in this idiotic thread.

The only one whos even trying to have a civilised discussion is b3nn3tt.

Please link me the information/source where you can PROVE to me that Weed leaves you permanently brain damaged (good luck finding it pretty sure it doesn't exist)

 

[willsham45]

I dont do drugs but think of the benifits of making it legal to buy drugs if all shops sold them with in reason.
There would be NO drug crimb cause it is legal...why would you go find weed down some dodgy back alley when you could get it from the chemist. The goverment would beable to tax it accordingly to make revinue off it. At first people would abuse the system but after a couple of months it would be like drinking under age.
Some procortions would have to be put into place for certain drugs. butfor the weaker lower class drugs there should not be a problem.
And then off course You would also know exactly what your getting