Capcom Defends Downloadable Fighters for Marvel vs. Capcom 3

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Xanthious

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Zeromaeus said:
Xanthious said:
I'm sorry but when these companies are talking about day one premium DLC three to four months before the damn game is even released that is nothing more than greed. These big publishers like Capcom, Activision, EA, etc need to all go the way of the dinosaur.

Anymore they just walk a fine line of giving you as absolutely little as possible while still attempting justify that 60 dollar price tag. Everything that they can leave out and charge you for later is just extra money. I suppose it's all good though, since it's obviously become their goal to see how badly they can rip us off then maybe it's time I make it mine as well . . . . . Yar har fiddle dee dee
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I don't like you.
Capcom makes Mega Man. If Capcom were gone... No... No Mega Man. No. I must have my Mega Man. I must. I... I need it.
A more serious response would note how Capcom actually makes good games on average and the costs don't actually affect you unless you deign to buy the DLC.
But it does affect me. Assuming I would ever give one of these companies my money without being held at gunpoint, I am affected because they are intentionally leaving content out of my game in order to sell it for extra money. Hell in some cases the content is already on my game disc and they are holding it at ransom so to speak. So my choices would then be pay extra for the whole game or pay the initial 60 dollars and have only a partial game.
 

Zeromaeus

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Xanthious said:
Zeromaeus said:
Xanthious said:
I'm sorry but when these companies are talking about day one premium DLC three to four months before the damn game is even released that is nothing more than greed. These big publishers like Capcom, Activision, EA, etc need to all go the way of the dinosaur.

Anymore they just walk a fine line of giving you as absolutely little as possible while still attempting justify that 60 dollar price tag. Everything that they can leave out and charge you for later is just extra money. I suppose it's all good though, since it's obviously become their goal to see how badly they can rip us off then maybe it's time I make it mine as well . . . . . Yar har fiddle dee dee
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I don't like you.
Capcom makes Mega Man. If Capcom were gone... No... No Mega Man. No. I must have my Mega Man. I must. I... I need it.
A more serious response would note how Capcom actually makes good games on average and the costs don't actually affect you unless you deign to buy the DLC.
But it does affect me. Assuming I would ever give one of these companies my money without being held at gunpoint, I am affected because they are intentionally leaving content out of my game in order to sell it for extra money. Hell in some cases the content is already on my game disc and they are holding it at ransom so to speak. So my choices would then be pay extra for the whole game or pay the initial 60 dollars and have only a partial game.
Trick is, its not a partial game. It already has a large roster. If you want a bigger roster, then you can fork over some extra dough. Besides, if you don't intend on buying the game then this doesn't affect you. If you really wouldn't buy a Capcom game under any rational circumstance then why do you even care?
 

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teh_Canape said:
damn...

what happened to the old "beat the game as Chun Li to unlock Cammy" and shit
People HATED that shit, Yahtzee's Smash Bros review actually explains that phenomena very well.
 

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Onyx Oblivion said:
teh_Canape said:
damn...

what happened to the old "beat the game as Chun Li to unlock Cammy" and shit
People HATED that shit, Yahtzee's Smash Bros review actually explains that phenomena very well.
They do? News to me. I always liked the 'beat the game without dying once and beating everybody with an Ultra combo to fight Akuma and maybe unlock him.' It gave you a very specific goal to shoot for.
 

Xanthious

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Zeromaeus said:
Xanthious said:
Zeromaeus said:
Xanthious said:
I'm sorry but when these companies are talking about day one premium DLC three to four months before the damn game is even released that is nothing more than greed. These big publishers like Capcom, Activision, EA, etc need to all go the way of the dinosaur.

Anymore they just walk a fine line of giving you as absolutely little as possible while still attempting justify that 60 dollar price tag. Everything that they can leave out and charge you for later is just extra money. I suppose it's all good though, since it's obviously become their goal to see how badly they can rip us off then maybe it's time I make it mine as well . . . . . Yar har fiddle dee dee
...
I don't like you.
Capcom makes Mega Man. If Capcom were gone... No... No Mega Man. No. I must have my Mega Man. I must. I... I need it.
A more serious response would note how Capcom actually makes good games on average and the costs don't actually affect you unless you deign to buy the DLC.
But it does affect me. Assuming I would ever give one of these companies my money without being held at gunpoint, I am affected because they are intentionally leaving content out of my game in order to sell it for extra money. Hell in some cases the content is already on my game disc and they are holding it at ransom so to speak. So my choices would then be pay extra for the whole game or pay the initial 60 dollars and have only a partial game.
Trick is, its not a partial game. It already has a large roster. If you want a bigger roster, then you can fork over some extra dough. Besides, if you don't intend on buying the game then this doesn't affect you. If you really wouldn't buy a Capcom game under any rational circumstance then why do you even care?
I care because I enjoy gaming and I'm annoyed by the current state of gaming which is to milk every last dime they can from the customers while giving them as little as they can get away with. As I said previously I'm fine with them making this a contest to see who can get the most for the least. I can win that contest every time. However, this isn't what I want to see gaming devolve into.

I don't mean to say there aren't games out there that try to give you an honest product well worth the money. There are. All you need do is look at games like Grand Theft Auto 4, Fallout 3, Red Dead Redemption and so on. These games are packed with content then at a point well after release they added extra content that wasn't merely a cash grab but rather meaningful content.

There is a right way and a wrong way of doing things. Releasing a gimped product only to use excluded content to extort the customer is pretty shitty. However, releasing a quality product initially then using DLC to provide extra content when the game is starting to become stale is not only acceptable but commendable.
 

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Logan Westbrook said:
Capcom Defends Downloadable Fighters for Marvel vs. Capcom 3

DLC means that those characters have a chance of appearing further down the road, which seems like it could really only be a good thing.

You could argue that Capcom is purposefully holding popular characters for DLC, but there are plenty of high-profile fighters on the disk, even if your personal favorite is currently missing. You could also make the argument that a downloadable character might be "top-tier" and trounce everyone else, but it's hard to believe that Capcom would be shortsighted as to stick an "I Win" button into the game.


Marvel vs. Capcom 3 comes out for PS3 and Xbox 360 on February 15th.


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True dat, what am hoping is that (I'm one of those weird guys that plays fighting games in singleplayer to see the story) is that each character has a different ending... So I'm hoping DLC characters get storyline endings as well... As for anything else... Well I'm in favor of DLC, in a way I see like the next logical step to add layeres of extra depth to games of things that couldn't be included due to time constraints... I just hope the character pricings are like $3.99 or maybe $9.99 for a 3 Character Bundle or something. :)
 

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Misho- said:
Logan Westbrook said:
Capcom Defends Downloadable Fighters for Marvel vs. Capcom 3

DLC means that those characters have a chance of appearing further down the road, which seems like it could really only be a good thing.

You could argue that Capcom is purposefully holding popular characters for DLC, but there are plenty of high-profile fighters on the disk, even if your personal favorite is currently missing. You could also make the argument that a downloadable character might be "top-tier" and trounce everyone else, but it's hard to believe that Capcom would be shortsighted as to stick an "I Win" button into the game.


Marvel vs. Capcom 3 comes out for PS3 and Xbox 360 on February 15th.


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True dat, what am hoping is that (I'm one of those weird guys that plays fighting games in singleplayer to see the story) is that each character has a different ending... So I'm hoping DLC characters get storyline endings as well... As for anything else... Well I'm in favor of DLC, in a way I see like the next logical step to add layeres of extra depth to games of things that couldn't be included due to time constraints... I just hope the character pricings are like $3.99 or maybe $9.99 for a 3 Character Bundle or something. :)
This.
Also, what I expect is maybe a $5.00-10.00 deal for a Marvel/Capcom pair. Like Shuma-Goarth and Jill packaged together.

I'd like to see Dr. Strange and Proto Man along with Howard the Duck and Dan Hibiki.
 

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To me, there is nothing wrong with DLC for Marvel vs Capcom 3. What I have problems with is the Context/content of the DLC itself. Not only is there a pre-order DLC for MvsC3, but they are characters from the previous game. They are not new and may fight differently, but they are the same ones from the previous installment. If you want to justify giving us DLC, give us completely new characters. Don't give us characters we used in the previous game as paid DLC. Could you imagine playing Tekken or Street Fighter where characters who were from the previous installment were paid DLC?
 

Therumancer

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I think DLC is out of control, video games are already an expensive product and I do not care for the idea of having to pay for the right to pay them more for the rest of the game.

Originally the idea of DLC was for game companies to develop and distribute signifigant content cheaply. The idea being that one of the big obstacles to releasing expansion packs like say "Forge Of Virtue" and "The Silver Seed" for Ultima 7, or the mission packs for the "Wing Commander" franchise (all by Origin) was that it cost money to have all of that put on disks, put in a box, and shipped, when they were selling the product for a lower price due to it not being a full game.

The criticisms of Capcom are right on the money, selling fighters singly is not signifigant content for the game. What's more, holding out popular characters for download at this point is simply them saying that they would put them into the game if they didn't think they could make more money off of it.

The problem with the entire logic here is that his arguement is that this kind of thing is "part of the business model" because so many people have been making money that way. It's all about greed, the rising cost of game design has nothing to do with it, most of the cost of game design is human resources and what developers choose to pay themselves out of the development budget. Things like DLC allow them to make more money off the content and give themselves pay raises.

Of course in the end the person to blame for this is YOU the consumer. These guys are just exploiting us, we're the ones who are acting like bipedal cash bags. We're the ones who have been buying increasingly trivial DLC, paying $15 for a map pack, and similar things. People make their excuses for doing it, but in the end when you wave money in front of a business they are going to move to take it.

Here is the thing, how many people are going to buy "Marvel Vs. Capcom 3" anyway? Probably a ton of people. Those people are also going to invest in the DLC. Oh sure those same people are going to be going "BAAAAAAAW" in the forums, but since they buy the product anyway, why should anyone listen to them?

It's sort of like how despite all the antics of Activision people STILL bought "Starcraft 2" and STILL bought "Call Of Duty: Black Ops." and enough copies of each to make them massive successes. Why shouldn't Activision continue to exploit us? Why shouldn't Bobby Kotick refuse to pay the game designers who built up a franchise and eject them with thugs? Heck, why shouldn't Bobby Kotick act like a complete jerk to the entire gaming community. We all buy the products, we give Activision millions upon millions of dollars. Heck, despite everything there are people who advertise for "Black Ops." by talking about the latest cool thing they found in the game, while missing the entire point that no matter how cool the game might be the guys who made it are a complete group of jerks, and what's more are going to gouge them for everything they are worth.

If you don't like what they are doing with "Marvel Vs. Capcom 3" then do not buy the product. Don't whine about it, don't cry about it, simply do not buy it. Once they have your money it doesn't matter WHAT you say.

Right now the only way to stop the abuse of DLC and bring it more into line with what it should be is not to buy the products that are abusing us through it. Also do not buy ANY DLC that does not add signifigant content to the game. Every time you pay to download a new character, a few weapons, or a couple of maps you are making the problem increasingly worse. Ditto for when you buy a core product where DLC is being planned right from the beginning, because that means they aren't making the best game possible (no matter how awesome it might be), but rather deciding what cool things they figure they can get people to pay for individually.

Such are my thoughts. It's just as much OUR fault for paying as it is that of the people on the other side of the equasion.
 

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Holy hell, you can buy entire 10 hour games under $20 on both PSN and Xbox Live! I'd say 400 points for a character is reasonable, 800 for two I could manage, but even alternate costumes cost more than that - lord knows the bloated cash-cow that is Street Fighter IV has the most absurdly priced additional content. Super Meat Boy cost less than $20 and it's an incredible 15 hour or so game in its own right. I can buy platinum PS3 games for the price speculated for these additional characters.
 

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Dlc needn?t be a necessity for profit models. All it takes is a company to have the stones to say we aren?t doing it our game is?Complete. Less than 20 dollars you say for those 2 characters Console gamers, if you don?t have STEAM go get it and see what digital distribution looks like. Not the Xbox kind, the real kind, where you can buy whole games for under 10 dollars, where a deal of the week happens on Wednesday and weekends and it isn?t knocking overpriced bullshit down from 20 to 15 dollars.

I never buy dlc, I never find any content these chuckleheads worth the pricetag. I buy games, full games for the same price as these tiny little content stains.
 

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Although I understand that it has a rather large roster and the "who cares if they're holding back just a couple of fighters?", but it's part of a larger problem. My problem is not about the DLC, my problem lies in the fact that this trend is becoming more and more prevalent to the point where this is going to happen with every game. They're obviously only doing it to make a quick buck to ensure they make profit. This is not the path one should go on to achieve profiteering success. What ever happened to making a product that you have 100% faith in and are proud of the outcome of said product? This is the best business model to have (good marketing doesn't hurt either).

I understand the whole piracy thing and the used game thing, but if you have done your job and have made a great game, you will make a large profit regardless of these potential setbacks. What went wrong in society when a company can tell us they're knowingly dicking us over, no matter how insignificant the infraction is, and we'll gladly accept this? This trend is going to get way out of hand.
 

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Maybe I'll just wait for Super Marvel vs Capcom 3: Tournament Edition

It's pretty sad when The evil that is Gamestop still provides a better value for money than 90% of Publishers.
 
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I cant really say I'm opposed to this...yet. As a really lazy ************ with a credit card, I think DLC is the greatest thing to happen to gaming, so long as the pricing remains fair-ish. If they're going to release characters via DLC, however, there's probably some criteria I'd like to see enforced. First and foremost!!!! DO NOT have a DLC character who is a palette swap or close enough to it to an existing "free" character. I'm looking especially at you Ken, Ryu and Akuma. This brings me to my next point. If it's going to be DLC and you want people to pay for it, make it original content. I just find it really difficult shelling out money for characters that I could play with for free on MvC2. There are some characters who'd really make me reconsider this whole "rule" *ahem*Jin*ahem*, but realistically, even then, I'd just learn to whip some ass with someone else for free.
 

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Am I the only person that say this is an excuse not to buy this game, but to wait for Marvel vs. Capcom 3 gold edition?

I have my issues with DLC and its application, not the least of which is that if you need DLC to make a profit on a game, then the margins on it must be huge, but it seems the good stuf comes on disk eventually anyway. Super Street Fighter 4, Resident Evil 5 Gold, heck, even with an existing copy of Dragon Age Origins, buying the Ultimate edition was cheaper than buying the DLC and expansion seperatly and I never need to worry about the server being down if I need to redownload it.
 

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teh_Canape said:
damn...

what happened to the old "beat the game as Chun Li to unlock Cammy" and shit
What happened to buying a game and having everyone from the get go so you can actually party with it!

(and how many characters are we talking? didn't MvC2 have 54 or 56?)
 

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I believe DLC does add lenght to a game, such as Mass Effect, "some" Dragon Age or even Fallout 3. I bought many of those cause it made me play through an otherwise forgotten game on my shelves. What I dont believe is pointless little DLC like adding costume and stuff so insignificant. Many games added DLCs like weapons and armors, quest and location for free. Here we are talking about something they should owe us. We are the ones that buy games. We ask for characters and what to they do: "we'll add it later for you to buy at additionnal cost". Its not like its adding options or quests or storyline. Its only a minor add and in this case it is obvious that they will use our opinion against us. So people want sheva, lets add her for another 10$. whats that you say... aida is asked ok here another for ANOTHER 10$. same could be said for any character we think of. and soon the price for the same game could be well over 120$ canadian. not everybody can afford to pay for "the full unlocked game". Mainly because its likely that you don't play only one game and all your game now ask you to do the same: pay more for something that should be given to you. I understand some DLC are huge like Mass Effect 2 shadow broker or Fallout 3 brotherhood of steel. but for minor ups like characters, released almost if not on the same day, thats pure extortion. Its like playing FF7 without Cloud cause you have to pay for it. The game is not full even if you did pay 60-70$ for it. worst of all, they'll probably do like they did for Borderland and resident evil 5 and release a full rooster game 1 year from now for the same price as the first release. All I got from downloading all 5 DLCs for fallout 3 when they did the GotY edition was a theme for my xbox wich I cant even enjoy anymore cause the new interface is blocking all of the image. Way to go to say up yours to the fanbase.