Censorship is REAL and ADVANCING

[theultimateend]

Also on the note of censorship. (Keeping in mind I'm never in support of it but in relation with policies on certain channels)

Why are words like "Fuck" censored on Comedy Central at 1am?

At what point do we say "Maybe any kids up this late are already screwed."

Seriously the moment I was up late enough to watch television that had lots of slurring in it was about 30 moments after I heard my father hit his thumb with a hammer and put them all to shame.

It's like playing world of warcraft and having them warn you for language. It's a game centered around genocide, demonology, and plagues ending the lives of men, women, and children. Shouldn't someone raise the white flag that kids young enough to be 'sensitive' to the language are playing it in the first place .

Same goes for San Andreas. It's cool that I butchered a prostitute...but having consensus sex with my GF...nononononononono.

We act like its 'obvious' but there are always major questions.

 

[mokes310]

check out www.projectcensored.org if you enjoy topics on censorship.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

So my question is what has censoring child porn done? Has it lessened child porn? How about the fact that the US has strict laws against tradining with nations that have sex slavery rings yet they have ignored the fact that Thailand has the worlds largest sex slavery ring because we receive too many cheap goods from them.

well according to you it's allowed other things to be easily censored, the united states and most other countries have strict rules against piracy. so that makes piracy highly illegal and therefore the piratebay should be banned.

you're logic is failing you

BUT regardless. This is much like walking into a church and arguing with the preacher about god. If you are going to be so close minded about the topic (and erroneous I might add) then there is no reason for us to have a discussion.

no it's not, this is something about allowing illegal activity and not

Censoring something is not the same as fixing it. I find it cute that you think throwing child porn out there suddenly makes your point right (since censoring it has done nothing to make it go away or even limited its wide spread).

As I said before, crime exists for reasons, you should first look to what is causing it before you attempt to fix it. You however appear to not even be trying that in the slightest.

i bring up child porn because it easily derails your whole it's wrong to censor things argument. there's TONS of censorship out there, movies are censored to get ratings, tv shows are censored before they air, so are movies when they air on tv, the radio is also censored.

there's a lot that is censored in this world and is done for very good reasons

actually it is as there is something called intent, you are only going to find illegal stuff to download, therefore visiting it makes it illegal. just because you don't think it isn't doesn't make it any less so

taking some basic law classes in high school are pretty handy and so is having lawyers and cops as friends, both of which i have/done

And visiting the website isn't intent.
There are legal torrents on the pirate bay too. Therefore you cannot prove intent.
I did legal studies in High School as well, It doesn't mean Im some guru when it coems to law, but that isn't a very difficult one.

actually it is, since you are only going there to do something illegal. using your example then simply visiting a site with child porn isn't illegal as long as you don't download anything but the fact is, it's illegal to do so.

as for proving intent, it's rather easy to prove that as you can simply ask "why are you going there?" and then you have your reasons and sorry but 99% of the ppl going there go to find illegal torrents and the other 1% are lying about why they're going there

 

[theultimateend]

A) you're logic is failing you

B) no it's not, this is something about allowing illegal activity and not

C) i bring up child porn because it easily derails your whole it's wrong to censor things argument. there's TONS of censorship out there, movies are censored to get ratings, tv shows are censored before they air, so are movies when they air on tv, the radio is also censored.

there's a lot that is censored in this world and is done for very good reasons

A) No it is not.

My point was (and still is) that censoring all those things does nothing to lessen their impact. Child Pornography is still alive and thriving all over the goddamn planet. You act like censoring it suddenly stopped it, it did NOTHING.

All censoring of questionable content does is open the door to being able to censor basically anything if you work gradually enough.

B) Censoring something != Allowing or Disallowing it. Wake up and smell reality.

C) Bringing up child porn does nothing at all to derail my point. For reasons already stated.

 

[bad rider]

Look we all need to accept this is happening. I mean wait a year or two and we can go burn things, oh how the cycle continues.

 

[Avatar Roku]

Just because you can type in caps doesn't make your point any more relevant. Because what to you might be an illegal act to others may be a form of free speech. Much like how artwork in the past was a form of speech that could get you put in prison (then again it still can be) I ask you definitively where to draw the line.

It doesn't matter if it's free speech to others, if your government defines it as illegal, then it's illegal. Mind you, I see where you're coming from, but comparing theft (and that is what it is, disguise it however you like) to art is simply misleading.

Also on the note of censorship. (Keeping in mind I'm never in support of it but in relation with policies on certain channels)

Why are words like "Fuck" censored on Comedy Central at 1am?

At what point do we say "Maybe any kids up this late are already screwed."

Seriously the moment I was up late enough to watch television that had lots of slurring in it was about 30 moments after I heard my father hit his thumb with a hammer and put them all to shame.

It's like playing world of warcraft and having them warn you for language. It's a game centered around genocide, demonology, and plagues ending the lives of men, women, and children. Shouldn't someone raise the white flag that kids young enough to be 'sensitive' to the language are playing it in the first place .

Same goes for San Andreas. It's cool that I butchered a prostitute...but having consensus sex with my GF...nononononononono.

We act like its 'obvious' but there are always major questions.

In regards to the bold part, it isn't. At 1 Am is the Secret Stash, which is uncensored.

 

[theultimateend]

In regards to the bold part, it isn't. At 1 Am is the Secret Stash, which is uncensored.

Secret Stash is not everyday of the week. At least not in the US.

 

[Frank_Sinatra_]

The day there is censorship is the day I start a revolt to begin the state of nature.

 

[Avatar Roku]

In regards to the bold part, it isn't. At 1 Am is the Secret Stash, which is uncensored.

Secret Stash is not everyday of the week. At least not in the US.

Oh. You're right, now that I think about it.

 

[theultimateend]

In regards to the bold part, it isn't. At 1 Am is the Secret Stash, which is uncensored.

Secret Stash is not everyday of the week. At least not in the US.

Oh. You're right, now that I think about it.

It happens. At least we are in agreement with one thing. Now go read my last thing too ;p. Maybe we'll come to a common ground.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

A) you're logic is failing you

B) no it's not, this is something about allowing illegal activity and not

C) i bring up child porn because it easily derails your whole it's wrong to censor things argument. there's TONS of censorship out there, movies are censored to get ratings, tv shows are censored before they air, so are movies when they air on tv, the radio is also censored.

there's a lot that is censored in this world and is done for very good reasons

A) No it is not.

sure it is, why not heed your own advice and take a big breath of reality, cause if it's not done for a good reason then censoring child porn is a bad thing

My point was (and still is) that censoring all those things does nothing to lessen their impact. Child Pornography is still alive and thriving all over the goddamn planet. You act like censoring it suddenly stopped it, it did NOTHING.

All censoring of questionable content does is open the door to being able to censor basically anything if you work gradually enough.

yes there are incidents of it going on HOWEVER it's not rampant and in most places on the decline

i've never said it would stop it, please don't put words into my posts

B) Censoring something != Allowing or Disallowing it. Wake up and smell reality.

actually it does curb things but it can also make things worse, such as the link between porn censoring and rape, the more access to porn, the less rape that goes on

i understand more about reality than you do and i see it in a very good light

C) Bringing up child porn does nothing at all to derail my point. For reasons already stated.

actually it does rather well

 

[theultimateend]

I like god am infallible. Even my subjective views are entirely objective because I defy the laws of man and nature alike.

Okay now that I've retranslated your last post.

If child porn is on the down hill slope why is it that sexual slavery and trafficking is thriving all over the world (in fact in some places far worse now than a year ago).

Likewise duh, if you give people access to alternatives they'll stop (for most people) raping. Which falls back on what I've said many times. If you figure out what the problem stems from you can actually cure it.

BUT Seeing as you are going to ignore absolutely everything I say and keep repeating the same rhetoric that would get you laughed out of any earnest real world discussion (to which you'd never understand why) I'm out.

When I worked at Circuit City we had a guy's PC come in that had MOUNDS AND MOUNDS of child porn on it. He could have opened a goddamn toys 'r' us for child pornography. You think he made all that himself? No. Did making it against the law stop him from having gigabytes upon gigabytes of it? No.

Is he a unique case? Hardly. Everytime I see a news article pop up about the issue it discusses how its plaguing many parts of the world. As I said before places like Thailand are absolutely terrible and we act like its not happening because "Hey guys we get cheap stuff from them."

I said bringing up censoring child porn does nothing to derail my point, because the sexual trafficking of people (even younger than 12) is alive and well all over the place. Acting like it doesn't exist by putting on your blinders does nothing to stop it.

4chan alone has had multiple cases of people using a technique that saves a file inside a jpeg or other image type so that other people in their 'group' can download it and take out the file. It's not vanishing its just becoming craftier.

Just like DRM does nothing to stop piracy.

Just like blocking a torrent site does nothing to stop piracy.

Just like you and everyone else with your silly little retorts fails to admit. It is just as easy this very second to get absolutely anything any site that provided torrents to as it was before the censorship was put into place. Just like it is absolutely just as easy now as it was before to get just about anything else that is no censored or illegal.

Hell in the case of drugs the supply and use of drugs skyrocketed after each one became illegal and in most areas the drug war is losing terribly. With each bust the rarity and worth of the substances becomes far greater and more people begin dealing.

Then you look at countries that have legalized heroin. The amount of people doing it dropped dramatically, the amount of people committing crimes to get it dropped dramatically, and the amount of people starting it dropped dramatically.

But that's impossible! Because we all know that unless you censor it it'll become a terrible terrible monster that consumes us all.

When I was little it was the lore of censored material that drew me to it. Slurring, pornography, and had I not seen people who did them (big turn off when you see it in action), likely drugs as well.

It was when my parents were open and honest with me that I actually listened. Not when they pulled the "Because I say so" card. Which is why I'm done speaking with you. Censorship has never been a legitimate answer because it does absolutely nothing to fix a problem, it just masks it behind false comfort.

 

[Xaryn Mar]

The worst problem to this censoring is that it is not a national firewall or something that blocks it. The verdict gives IFPI legal grounds to go to any of the internet providers in Denmark and demand that they close whatever site IFPI deems illegal since they now have a legal precedent. So in effect IFPI can decide which sites we can access from Denmark legally this I find very disturbing and if High Court rules the same I will probably leave the country for Sweden.

 

[Straitjacketeering]

"Nice to meet you, I'm Jim Doki and I'm about to hand you your ass."

You are my hero.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

I like god am infallible. Even my subjective views are entirely objective because I defy the laws of man and nature alike.

Okay now that I've retranslated your last post.

If child porn is on the down hill slope why is it that sexual slavery and trafficking is thriving all over the world (in fact in some places far worse now than a year ago).

wow talk about being childish seriously grow up and then come back later

ok child porn and sex slavery are 2 different things, they are not the same thing, sex slavery also has women that are of age

BUT Seeing as you are going to ignore absolutely everything I say and keep repeating the same rhetoric that would get you laughed out of any earnest real world discussion (to which you'd never understand why) I'm out.

actually your rhetoric about this has consisted of plugging your ears and saying "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" and adding a "no it's not"

see you're saying to censor one thing is bad as it can have far reaching implications, i have simply countered that according to your logic blocking child porn is bad

you have some how twisted it into censoring is stopping, when i never said that, i just said you should object to blocking child porn as well

When I worked at Circuit City we had a guy's PC come in that had MOUNDS AND MOUNDS of child porn on it. He could have opened a goddamn toys 'r' us for child pornography. You think he made all that himself? No. Did making it against the law stop him from having gigabytes upon gigabytes of it? No.


Is he a unique case? Hardly. Everytime I see a news article pop up about the issue it discusses how its plaguing many parts of the world. As I said before places like Thailand are absolutely terrible and we act like its not happening because "Hey guys we get cheap stuff from them."

do you want a hero cookie? did you bother to turn the guy in? according to you, no you wouldn't have as censoring in any form is bad

I said bringing up censoring child porn does nothing to derail my point, because the sexual trafficking of people (even younger than 12) is alive and well all over the place. Acting like it doesn't exist by putting on your blinders does nothing to stop it.

you aren't even getting my point and now you're acting like a child and trying to insult me

4chan alone has had multiple cases of people using a technique that saves a file inside a jpeg or other image type so that other people in their 'group' can download it and take out the file. It's not vanishing its just becoming craftier.

Just like DRM does nothing to stop piracy.

Just like blocking a torrent site does nothing to stop piracy.

i never said it would but you took it off in some tangent and tried to put words into my mouth

Just like you and everyone else with your silly little retorts fails to admit. It is just as easy this very second to get absolutely anything any site that provided torrents to as it was before the censorship was put into place. Just like it is absolutely just as easy now as it was before to get just about anything else that is no censored or illegal.

actually it works very well, it got you to actively insult me and act like a child, so yeah i'd say the rhetoric works very well

Then you look at countries that have legalized heroin. The amount of people doing it dropped dramatically, the amount of people committing crimes to get it dropped dramatically, and the amount of people starting it dropped dramatically.

really could you tell me a country heroin is legal in? cause i don't think it's legal UNLESS by prescription or if you are in a lab conducting experiments, my friend's father is one such person that has a license to have drugs in his lab


seriously dude grow up and stop trying to insult me by acting like a child and really stop putting words into my mouth

 

[JohnSmith]

Well bitching about censoring sites that are illegal (or contain illegal material) according to the laws of that country is all very well, but governments have a bundle of other options; issue every man, woman and child with an internet license and swing the ban hammer if anyone steps out of line, they could track every illegal access alert the owner of the IP and let civil cases proceed using government collected evidence and if they wanted to get really extreme they could always seed P2P servers with viruses to format the computers of those who download from them. So there you go, if it is already illegal, quit your bitchin. If it is not illegal, and does not require laws to be broken to create said media, then feel free to wave the Civil Liberties Flag, if you don't like the laws and you live in a democracy then you can have a crack at fixing them. Remember kids internet access is not enshrined in any ones constitution.

 

[Arcticflame]

actually it is, since you are only going there to do something illegal. using your example then simply visiting a site with child porn isn't illegal as long as you don't download anything but the fact is, it's illegal to do so.

as for proving intent, it's rather easy to prove that as you can simply ask "why are you going there?" and then you have your reasons and sorry but 99% of the ppl going there go to find illegal torrents and the other 1% are lying about why they're going there

No. I told you already. Visiting a website like the pirate bay is not illegal, it has legal torrents. Unless you tell the police "IT WAS COS I WANTED TO DOWNLOAD ILLEGAL MATERIAL" then you are breaking the law, otherwise there is no way to prosecute.

Visiting a child porn site is totally different, visiting the site is downloading pornographic images, unless you got there by accident you are breaking the law.

Just by accessing the pirate bay doesnt mean you get pirate files.

You. Are. not. breaking. the. law.

 

[Ezekel]

actually it is, since you are only going there to do something illegal. using your example then simply visiting a site with child porn isn't illegal as long as you don't download anything but the fact is, it's illegal to do so.

as for proving intent, it's rather easy to prove that as you can simply ask "why are you going there?" and then you have your reasons and sorry but 99% of the ppl going there go to find illegal torrents and the other 1% are lying about why they're going there

No. I told you already. Visiting a website like the pirate bay is not illegal, it has legal torrents. Unless you tell the police "IT WAS COS I WANTED TO DOWNLOAD ILLEGAL MATERIAL" then you are breaking the law, otherwise there is no way to prosecute.

Visiting a child porn site is totally different, visiting the site is downloading pornographic images, unless you got there by accident you are breaking the law.

Just by accessing the pirate bay doesnt mean you get pirate files.

You. Are. not. breaking. the. law.

It is a website where illegal material is everywhere, you may not be breaking the law, but they are merely by linking to illegal material. If pirate bay only had legal torrents they would not block it. There probably site that give access to legal torrents, find them. Then all is well.

The website is illegal, therefore it is blocked. Its not so much blocking your access to the website as the websites access to you.

 

[Dys]

actually no you can't, there are several laws saying that circumventing copy protection is illegal. you are allowed to make a personal backup of your own copy but not download another copy

This is the only rebuttle I fell worth countering, as you clearly will not accept it as anything other than an evil place where people commit illegal crimes, and I don't care enough to try and change your mind in vain. As for modifying games and circumnavigating copy protection, I am very much alowed to do this.

Prehaps there are different laws where you're from, but so long as I stand to make no profit from doingso I can reverse engineer/modify any software (or hardware) I see fit. It is perfectly legal, for example, for me to modify my xbox provided I do not pay somebody to do it for me. Likewise I am more than welcome to circumnavigate DRM software on say, company of heroes. This is why software like daemon tools is legal, and sites the deal exclusivlely with game cracks do not get shut down. I can also legally torrent music or movies provided I own the respective rights to it (as in a CD or DVD). Even if I don't I can (or could, this law may have changed it was a while ago when I saw this loophole) download music I don't own legally, however it must be deleted from my system within 24 hours.

I don't know what laws you are refering too, so I will simply point out that you have no legal obligation to adhere to the terms and agreements of a game after you have purchased it, and therefore any 'agreements' you make to terms and conditions through them are meaningless (maybe this is different in Canada, I honestly don't know).