Certain Pre-Owned Games Can Be Blocked on the PS4!!

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tippy2k2

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greenice said:
Please check the source of articles and read properly before overreacting.
A-fucking-men brother.

At best, the article listed mis-understood or mis-interpreted what Shuhei Yoshida said. At worst, they are blatantly lying.

"When you purchase the disc-based games on PS4, it should work on any hardware" (a direct quote from Yoshida). There is no blocking on Sony's part whatsoever.

HOWEVER, the Publisher CAN choose to implement a registration system to block used game sales and no, that's not something exclusive to the PS4; that's something a Publisher could do right now this instant if they so chose and some have partially implemented this: The Online Pass (shit, that was a wicked run-on sentence but fuck it, I'm rolling with it).
 

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ZZoMBiE13 said:
Nope, sorry. Google already owns me so I cannot surrender to Valve. Not without a license deal. And Valve will have to enter a code.
I hope you don't have any Steam games, because I'm pretty sure you just violated Valve's ToU. >.>
 

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Mr.Mattress said:
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize third parties had the ability to block Pre-Owned games on the WiiU, Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3. Oh wait, no, they didn't, they could only do that on PC's before hand...
What do you think Online Passes and On Disc DLC is? Granted this is taking it to its extreme but its still the same thing just with varying degrees.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
ZZoMBiE13 said:
Nope, sorry. Google already owns me so I cannot surrender to Valve. Not without a license deal. And Valve will have to enter a code.
I hope you don't have any Steam games, because I'm pretty sure you just violated Valve's ToU. >.>
No, you're wrong. Googlers are allowed to own Valve games. We just have to let Google know each and every button press we make, when we made it, why we made it... you get the idea. It's a chore sometimes, but otherwise my phone would stop working so, ya know, we do what we gotta to get by and all that.
 

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Mr.Mattress said:
That's right, Sony today finally clarified it's statement on Pre-Owned Game Blocking, after days of saying "No" and "Probably not", they have said that "Publishers can use Pre-Own Game Blocking Technology on our system". This means that certain games coming from Certain Publishers (I'm gonna go ahead and say EA) can not be bought and played if they were pre-owned, and that you have to buy these specific games new.
I was going through a period of trying to be nicer to people on forums, but you did manage to change

Gamespot asked...not if PS4 would block used games but whether second hand games will require an activation code on the console.

"It's a publisher decision"
Into "Certain Pre-Owned Games Can Be Blocked on the PS4!!"

If you notice the quote is 'second hand games will require an activation code'. As in second hand games. As in game which have been preowned. Which means that pre-owned games aren't blocked because otherwise how would people be typing in activation codes for them.

So your post is really unfactual and misleading and will leave several people who just read the title, a little less informed than they were. This post contained negative amounts of information
 

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Assassin Xaero said:
Mr.Mattress said:
(I'm gonna go ahead and say EA)
Valve did this LONG before EA did, and yet people still praise Valve like they are God and bash EA. Go figure.
Irrelevant. Steam and Valve sells their games at far below the cost of your average used game. Why buy used if new is just as cheap? If you're concerned that the tech in the PS4 can also be used to keep a player from bringing their games over to a friends house, it is also irrelevant when using Steam as an example. A player going to a friend's house can log into his steam account on his friend's PC and play the game there. That is something that would be theoretically impossible with the no used games tech we've been hearing about.
 

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Signa said:
Assassin Xaero said:
Mr.Mattress said:
(I'm gonna go ahead and say EA)
Valve did this LONG before EA did, and yet people still praise Valve like they are God and bash EA. Go figure.
Irrelevant. Steam and Valve sells their games at far below the cost of your average used game. Why buy used if new is just as cheap? If you're concerned that the tech in the PS4 can also be used to keep a player from bringing their games over to a friends house, it is also irrelevant when using Steam as an example. A player going to a friend's house can log into his steam account on his friend's PC and play the game there. That is something that would be theoretically impossible with the no used games tech we've been hearing about.
So it doesn't matter that Steam actively blocks the reselling of third-party used games that you own a disk for because they let you pay them money for sales on games?

So if Sony offer sales for games this will be fine too?
 

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Mr.Mattress said:
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So, basically, publishers are still capable of doing a thing that they have always been capable of doing on any system with internet connectivity, but people really want to be able to make an attention getting headline (or forum post title, as the case may be) out of it.
Holy shit somebody actually used logic and pointed out the bullshit that is this thread.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize third parties had the ability to block Pre-Owned games on the WiiU, Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3. Oh wait, no, they didn't, they could only do that on PC's before hand...
Of course they have the ability to. They just don't. You think no one's worked out how to tie an activation code to a disc before?
 

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I'd say codes like this being included with physical copies of games would (hopefully) make buyers more cautious, which would drastically reduce preorders and early sales of the game, so if the game is trash the publisher would be worse off than if they hadn't put the code in. Also multiplayer games should be split in two, campaign and multiplayer.
 

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Yeah, nothing in this gen stops the publisher from doing this already. You just code the menu screen not to load unless you login into UPlay (for the purpose of an example, as the only one I know offhand), which will only work if you've activated your one-time online passcode.
 

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To be honest EA's online pass was a fairly successful attempt at combating second hand sales. There was no point buying Battlefield second hand, as the games main strength is online. What I'm trying to say is that it isn't a new thing, we already have an example of a publisher trying to implement a block on second hand sales.
 

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Mr.Mattress said:
If the Publisher chooses it! [http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pre-owned-games-block-on-ps4-is-a-publisher-decision/0111344]

That's right, Sony today finally clarified it's statement on Pre-Owned Game Blocking, after days of saying "No" and "Probably not", they have said that "Publishers can use Pre-Own Game Blocking Technology on our system". This means that certain games coming from Certain Publishers (I'm gonna go ahead and say EA) can not be bought and played if they were pre-owned, and that you have to buy these specific games new.

So, any thoughts? Does this change your opinion of the PS4?
If it's true it would drastically change my opinion of the PS4. Corperation don't tend to fair well when it comes to rolling back consumer choices like that. Look at Netflix and look at some of those games that relied on more Draconian DRM such as SPORE. People hear about it and then they realize they don't HAVE to buy PS4 that'll cost probably 400+ dollars and then buy the games themselves. I think that will blow up in their face if they actually do that because it gives pirates the better service and that means it makes the computer even more appealing in general for gaming (even before you add in modding communities, and that's a total loss for sony who has no market in computer hardware that I know of). There are too many options for gaming now even hardcore gaming to give Sony the balls to try this.
 

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Mr.Mattress said:
If the Publisher chooses it! [http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pre-owned-games-block-on-ps4-is-a-publisher-decision/0111344]

That's right, Sony today finally clarified it's statement on Pre-Owned Game Blocking, after days of saying "No" and "Probably not", they have said that "Publishers can use Pre-Own Game Blocking Technology on our system". This means that certain games coming from Certain Publishers (I'm gonna go ahead and say EA) can not be bought and played if they were pre-owned, and that you have to buy these specific games new.

So, any thoughts? Does this change your opinion of the PS4?
Why would that change my opinion of the PS4 and sony? If the publishers say No to used games, it will bleed to the xbox and every other console. Sony has no blame in the matter.

Be like blaming the waiter for your food being burned by the cook. More like blaming the guy who owns the building for the cooks mistake.


BTW you all know the Corps want to have you basicly throw away your old games never to be played again when they make a new product right? In fear you will be playing that 8 bit megaman 2 instead of a shiney new Call of Honor 16.
 

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On the topic of "HURR PC GAMES ALREADY DO THIS."

Piracy.

PC games require you to install the game from the disc onto your computer.

There is absolutely nothing preventing you from installing it onto another computer.

This is extremely convenient, it's a system that works very well and means you don't have to get a disc in your device every time you want to play a game.


So, it's a pretty fair trade-off really.

You get the convenience of just starting a game when you want, which is a benefit for everyone. And the downside is the smaller portion of the market that buy used games cannot do so.

Given PC games are already about £10 or so cheaper than Console games, the issue of "Used" isn't that big of a deal. Combined with frequent sales, it's hard not to get a good deal when buying a PC game. (Useless it's a really awful Publisher, but, even The Grinch has sales, sometimes.)


Also opened the market and allowed for digital games to become a thing way before the console market. Which allowed for indie games to be developed and become big names.


So, basically, in summary. We lost the ability to get used games, however, gained the ease of use of just being able to play any game whenever we want.


Now. If we had to pay console prices, had to put the disc in each time we wanted to play, had a restricted market and all the other various downsides that come with a disc-based format, we'd be up in arms about it.


However, instead, we got a better way of getting games, for much lower prices, at the cost of a small portion of people who want to get games second-hand.

It's regarded as a necessary evil. One many PC gamers are entirely willing to put up with.



The more you know.
 

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Why would the decisions of the individual publishers have an effect of what i think of Sony's new console?

Itll certainly have an effect on what i think of those publishers, including Sony if they choose to do it.
 

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If it gives developers a reason not to waste development time with tacked on multiplayer modes so the player doesn't immediately sell the game once they're done with single player I'm all for killing used games.

I hate to bring this up but if publishers were already able to block used games Mass Effect 3's ending might have been great without that multiplayer mode (assuming it was only added to retain player interest and the ending was bad because Bioware was low on time and resources).

Of course, apart from Final Fantasy and Pokemon, all the games I play are on PC so the negative effects of killing used games have little bearing on me.
 

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Wolf In A Bear Suit said:
To be honest EA's online pass was a fairly successful attempt at combating second hand sales.
Excuse me? Are you actually defending that fascist piece of anti-consumer garbage?