True dat. Some of the nerfing was justified, but I don't agree it was to the degree it was done. After all, if memory serves they still have the 'enough casualties=auto-retreat' rule that makes very little sense in context of the fluff but is great for balancing mechanics.Spacelord said:That was BEFORE the 5th edition nerf, though.SakSak said:Why, the already dead Necron and their Star Gods the C'tan of course.randomdaroo said:lord above help us for ageinst such foes how can anyone stand a chance?
EDIT: though the C'tan themselves can tear anyone a new one.
but of course you know there is a tale of a star god that fought the others...SakSak said:Why, the already dead Necron and their Star Gods the C'tan of courserandomdaroo said:lord above help us for ageinst such foes how can anyone stand a chance?
Yea and the Anti Spiral thing is a representation of god, so the humans grow to be the size of 1000x galaxies and then kill god.Hazardlife said:The Spirals (humans) from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. When the power of your souls combine to form a mecha the size of a galaxy (a universe in the film version), I don't think there's much that can stand in your way.
Good point, but I would say that the Great Old Ones are living creatures, and can therefore be classified as a species - whereas the Outer Gods are, well, Gods.Grayjack said:What about The Outer Gods?Grouchy Imp said:The Great Old Ones.
No contest.
I want glancing hits to be worth a damn again, damnitSakSak said:True dat. Some of the nerfing was justified, but I don't agree it was to the degree it was done. After all, if memory serves they still have the 'enough casualties=auto-retreat' rule that makes very little sense in context of the fluff but is great for balancing mechanics.Spacelord said:That was BEFORE the 5th edition nerf, though.SakSak said:Why, the already dead Necron and their Star Gods the C'tan of course.randomdaroo said:lord above help us for ageinst such foes how can anyone stand a chance?
EDIT: though the C'tan themselves can tear anyone a new one.
the combine fail at one part they need living things to live now c'tan,necrons,reapers dont needYelchor said:If not the cosmic entities from H.P Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythos, I honestly see nothing that can compete with the Combine. They don't just control a couple of solar systems or an entire galaxy, they control several -universes-.
Sure, there was that small Human rebel group with home-made weapons and technology using spare parts from a dumpster that managed to seal off the Combine's access to our universe, but that doesn't count! They were just cheating with their Vortigaunt friends, ahem...
Also note that the Void Dragon, like all C'tan, hates (if that even applies to them) the Warp, created the Mechanicum and has a plan to combat the Warp.randomdaroo said:it lies dorment for now but the choas god have but to awaken its true power and they shall rule all...
And where exactly is it said the Void Dragon is a minion of Chaos? Even the Deceiver, the one to set C'tan against C'tan, serves no-one but itself.your necrons would stand no chance if the chaos gods chose to use their strongest minion
the answer is nothing resistance is futile to anything the necrons that c'tan created are like c'tan's younger brotherSakSak said:Also note that the Void Dragon, like all C'tan, hates (if that even applies to them) the Warp, created the Mechanicum and has a plan to combat the Warp.randomdaroo said:it lies dorment for now but the choas god have but to awaken its true power and they shall rule all...
Ever heard of those strage Warp-calming pylons on Cadia? Yeah... the C'tan. The Eye Of Terror is open only because it opened after the C'tan went to slumber. The reason Chaos has failed to conquer the galaxy is because obsolete C'tan technology deployed as a small-scale experiment, that has been ravaged by millenia of disrepair, is keeping them in check.
The Black Fortresses were created by the Eldar to attack one of the C'tan. They were powered by the souls of Eldar sorceresses. The attack...failed. One of the fortresses, at barely functional level, was almost enough to crush the Cadian gate at the hands of Chaos.
A fleet of such fortresses at full power failed to bring down a C'tan. The Chaos Gods failed to repair even one of them.
And where exactly is it said the Void Dragon is a minion of Chaos? Even the Deceiver, the one to set C'tan against C'tan, serves no-one but itself.your necrons would stand no chance if the chaos gods chose to use their strongest minion
Do remember, that the Eldar and two other races were created to combat the Necron. Their creators died. Of the three, only Eldar remain. And even they fell, after repeated failiures.
What could the Chaos Gods themselves do against the C'tan, whom are the oldest sentient beings?
Imma one up you and go with Alex Mercer. He ain't human. He's basically an amoeba, but bigger. ^^Velvo said:Bacteria. You will never get rid of them. They can survive in space, they permeate the Earth, some can eat radioactive waste, and they are REAL, b!tches!
SakSak said:i should have said weapon for even though they dont control it they could put plans into motion to relese itrandomdaroo said:And where exactly is it said the Void Dragon is a minion of Chaos? Even the Deceiver, the one to set C'tan against C'tan, serves no-one but itself.your necrons would stand no chance if the chaos gods chose to use their strongest minion
Do remember, that the Eldar and two other races were created to combat the Necron. Their creators died. Of the three, only Eldar remain. And even they fell, after repeated failiures.
What could the Chaos Gods themselves do against the C'tan, whom are the oldest sentient beings?
and as you said your self the c'tan are only beings not gods, they reside only in the real univers and hate the warp because it hurts/kills them as i now quote from the warhammer 40k wiki. The primary weakness of the C'tan is their inability to comprehend the Warp. It is speculated that they find it impossible to survive in it and are particularly susceptible to warp spawned magics and psykers.
while the chaos gods can touch the real univers from the warp the c'tan cant touch the warp
so even if the necrons take over the univers the chaos god only need to wait untell they have run out of things to feed on then unlesh their demonic armys from the warp and finish them off
That didn't make any sense. Probably because you just manhandled that sentence in a way a 5 year older would be ashamed of. Possibly because that made no sense to begin with. I'm going with both.hotpotat0wned said:what you think people would be interested in what race is the most powerfull in any game universe fail sir no they wouldnt be interested
Never under estimate the public demand for sushi.The Madman said:Yog-Sothoth knows the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the key and guardian of the gate. Past, present, future, all are one in Yog-Sothoth. He knows where the Old Ones broke through of old, and where They shall break through again. He knows where They have trod earth's fields, and where They still tread them, and why no one can behold Them as They tread.II2 said:You lads are on the right track, but you should know that the Great Old Ones are only minor mythos deities, and the real forces of the universe are the Elder / Outer Gods, for whom Nyarlathotep is an emissary with 999 forms.
The real 3 forces behind it all are Azathoth - the mindless nuclear chaos of existance, Yog-Sothoth - the gate and the key (to time/space), and Shub-Niggurath - Black Goat with One Thousand Young - mother of life.
[small]... If we're adhering to HP Lovecraft and Ramsey Cambell's "official" mythos canon...[/small]
-H.P.Lovecraft
You cannot fight the Great Old Ones, you cannot run from the Great Old Ones, you cannot conceive the Great Old Ones. They are outside the circle of life and death and are not beholden to our pitiful concepts of reality. They exist within their own dimension, however their passing causes waves within our realm, waves which decide the fate of entire worlds, entire species, stars, and universe.
And some day, they'll come here. It is only a matter of time as forces of infinite power call them forth, forces like Yog-Sothoth. And when that day comes, our universe shall cease to exist as we know it, and those who are not instantly killed shall wish they were as the seas run red and madness overtakes every living creature.
We're all doomed. There can be no escape, no surrender. Beg for mercy if it makes you feel better, but it will be of no consequence. Fight if it makes you feel better, but know that it is in vain. All these names listed here, all these supposedly grand races. Irrelevant, for:
That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange aeons even death may die.
All that awaits up and all life amid the stars is The End!
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!