Characters love for whom you don't understand
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No, you're right, she isn't...WhiteFangofWar said:
She's a naked lady with a long hair, a pretty face and an hourglass figure!
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I mean, sure, there's the whole thing with the veins and the blue color and the things on her back - not mention that huge tube they stuck up her belly... And the whole decapitation thing later on... Maybe I should stop now.
I don't really get the appeal of the video game version of Master Chief. Besides being quite a capable fight, there's not much to him.
And YES, I do know that he is better characterised in Halo 4 but he's still mostly bland. And no, what Cortana tells him and the deus ex machina at the end doesn't change anything.
John from the novels is quite an interesting character, especially since he's used to establish the rivalry between ODSTs and SPARTANS. Sadly in the games he's just not interesting.
Same for Marcus Fenix, really. I know the theme is that there is one trait to each character, but Marcus tried to escape this in Gears 3 and oh god his reaction to the big death scene and the way he childishly speaks to Myrrah and Griffen (both much better characters than him) aggravated me.
And YES, I do know that he is better characterised in Halo 4 but he's still mostly bland. And no, what Cortana tells him and the deus ex machina at the end doesn't change anything.
John from the novels is quite an interesting character, especially since he's used to establish the rivalry between ODSTs and SPARTANS. Sadly in the games he's just not interesting.
Same for Marcus Fenix, really. I know the theme is that there is one trait to each character, but Marcus tried to escape this in Gears 3 and oh god his reaction to the big death scene and the way he childishly speaks to Myrrah and Griffen (both much better characters than him) aggravated me.
I don't get why certain villains are so beloved by fangirls. For example, Sosuke Aizen from Bleach. He's a smug, overpowered douchebag that won't just fucking die already, and somehow he still has fans! What the hell?!\\
Also, anyone from Twilight, that should go without saying.
Also, anyone from Twilight, that should go without saying.
Oh my god, spoiler that OP immediately. As the de facto Persona 4 fan here (shut up I am) that blatant spoiler wounds me. Do you have no respect for the sanctity of the murder/mystery stories? You're one step away from being that guy who underlines the killer's name in a public library copy of a mystery novel.
OT: Solaire from Dark Souls. Creepy as fuck stalker who appears at random places wearing this comedy joke as an outfit and started the now tired as fuck Praise the Sun meme and eventually tries to kill you unless you do the Daughters of Chaos Covenant to completion. For some reason that's the criteria to end his story peacefully, as if you're meant to predict the teleporting movements of the NPCs in Dark Souls. I max that covenant for The Fair Lady's sake, not yours Solaire!
But yeah, I'm not pleased about Adatchi being an S Link in Golden or what have you. He's the fucking main villain and is a total sociopathic, homicidal maniac, how about you keep him as the lovable joke character turned suddenly evil instead.
OT: Solaire from Dark Souls. Creepy as fuck stalker who appears at random places wearing this comedy joke as an outfit and started the now tired as fuck Praise the Sun meme and eventually tries to kill you unless you do the Daughters of Chaos Covenant to completion. For some reason that's the criteria to end his story peacefully, as if you're meant to predict the teleporting movements of the NPCs in Dark Souls. I max that covenant for The Fair Lady's sake, not yours Solaire!
Basically, yes.Zhukov said:
It's like if you were to wish for one of the numerous anime girl idols to exist in the real world, you'd get Rei; A very beautiful, pristine looking girl, who's basically dead air. It's a 'be careful what you wish for' type situation. Rei will do whatever she's told, but at the same time she won't do anything unless she's told to do so, except for general self maintenance. When Asuka first speaks to Rei, she says "Let's be friends.", to which Rei replies "I will if I'm ordered to." When you see the place where she leaves it's a cold, sterile room with nothing but a bed, a lamp, and a glass of water somewhere. The dirty floors indicate that she doesn't even bother to wipe her feet.
But Rei is kind of a clusterfuck of a character. She's represents fantasy, but then she's also...
...a clone of Shinji's mom (I think), and she holds the soul of Lilith (the huge white guy on the red crucifix).
Pikachu from pokemon... Seriously why does everyone foam at the mouth everything that little yellow shit makes an appearance? he's an annoying yellow ball of fur that shoots lightning in from his ass
and can barely even say his own name like he's got some sort ofstuttering disease. I know there are legions of fans ready to tunnel up my butthole with arguments of why pikachu could practically be the next president and if you like the little critter then so be it. we all have our favorite characters that we droll over, )like me with the character of Raven from teen titans, pre- new 52 of course) but to me, peak-a-chew's popularity makes no sense. at least outside japan, where most people get stiffys from seeing new love pillows of Rei from Evangelion..
(disclaimer.. i love anime, manga and stuff based on it.. i honestly don't really get why people are obsessed with Pikachu, but i have nothing against them. this whole thing was just a joke, and shouldn't be taken serious
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and can barely even say his own name like he's got some sort ofstuttering disease. I know there are legions of fans ready to tunnel up my butthole with arguments of why pikachu could practically be the next president and if you like the little critter then so be it. we all have our favorite characters that we droll over, )like me with the character of Raven from teen titans, pre- new 52 of course) but to me, peak-a-chew's popularity makes no sense. at least outside japan, where most people get stiffys from seeing new love pillows of Rei from Evangelion..
(disclaimer.. i love anime, manga and stuff based on it.. i honestly don't really get why people are obsessed with Pikachu, but i have nothing against them. this whole thing was just a joke, and shouldn't be taken serious
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I attribute it to the juvenile writing of the books. He comes off as being a characterless character, a fill in for someone's fantasy, and I think that's why so many people like him. He has no real faults due to lacking any kind of personality. This makes it easy for the reader to fill in the blanks with whatever they think he should be like. This is a surprisingly effective tool even when it's born out of accident by the ineptitude of the writer. That's how I see him anyway.thaluikhain said:
Yeah, I understand that it was intentional, but that didn't make it any easier to accept in Infinite. It just felt like one more thing the game wanted us to think about without caring about.RJ 17 said:
See, I can understand the appeal of Asuka. It's not for me, but I understand it. She's basically just your classic red-headed tsundere with lots and LOTS of personal issues.jhoroz said:
But then again, Evangelion is a show designed around characters with personal issues...the whole giant robots fighting monsters is really just a foot-note of the series.
Personally I was always too distracted by her eyeball nipple to notice any of that other stuff. =PArqus_Zed said:
But she doesn't even qualify as tsundere. You need dere to be called tsundere. She's just constantly nagging and blaming everyone for all her problems and eventual failures. The dere aspect is almost non-existent. I appreciate how flawed she is as a character, but I'd rather be homeless than be forced to live with someone like that.RJ 17 said:
The thing is that I'd imagine if you're the type of guy that's into tsundere girls, all you're really looking for is the "tsun". The dere can come from your own imagination.jhoroz said:
"YOU'RE A WORTHLESS PIECE OF CRAP, SHINJI!!!!"
"Oooooo it hurts so good!"
=P
I second this post.. also loki I mean chaos is awesome and all but why does loki get so much love?Arqus_Zed said:
Marvel's Loki. I think all the love he gets comes from being played by Tom Hiddleston rather than being an actually interesting character, or an effective bad guy for that matter.
Trip from Enslaved.
As the title indicates, she enslaves a guy who she didn't bother rescuing the first time she saw him, probably because he wasn't useful to her at that time. But later, when this useless piece of trash had trouble surviving, she ensures that he would die if she does. Just... fuck her for that.
Oh, and the whole "good with computers" thing? Yeah, right. There are a few (not just one) scripted segments that endanger their lives just because she's shit at programming.
Fuck that character. I rarely use the word hate when it comes to fictional characters, but this sack of shit deserves nothing but hatred. I was hoping she would die at the end of the story.
As the title indicates, she enslaves a guy who she didn't bother rescuing the first time she saw him, probably because he wasn't useful to her at that time. But later, when this useless piece of trash had trouble surviving, she ensures that he would die if she does. Just... fuck her for that.
Oh, and the whole "good with computers" thing? Yeah, right. There are a few (not just one) scripted segments that endanger their lives just because she's shit at programming.
Fuck that character. I rarely use the word hate when it comes to fictional characters, but this sack of shit deserves nothing but hatred. I was hoping she would die at the end of the story.
Arya Stark, from Game of Thrones (the TV show). I'll grant, I haven't read the books. But do I have to have read them to like the character in the show?
I don't buy that The Hound has decided to take her on as basically his adoptive daughter and risk his life to protect her for what will almost certainly end up being no money (he's got to know he might not get anything from her aunt, right?), she's delusional about her abilities as a fighter (it's only recently that she's even been able to take a random dude in a fight, let alone a trained soldier), she has no apparent personality traits aside from 'spunky,' she's been awful about keeping her identity a secret, and I don't think Maisie Williams has enough range as an actress to play her convincingly. A little bit of a sense of humor might give her some depth for example. And no, I don't think the hollow laugh from the last episode counts as 'humor.'
Also, it bothers me that people are so 100% sold on her (and Daenerys, but that's a different discussion). Is it just because she's a little girl and isn't doing girly things? I don't see why that makes her much less of a cliche: instead of doing generic girl things, she's doing generic boy things. How progressive!
I don't buy that The Hound has decided to take her on as basically his adoptive daughter and risk his life to protect her for what will almost certainly end up being no money (he's got to know he might not get anything from her aunt, right?), she's delusional about her abilities as a fighter (it's only recently that she's even been able to take a random dude in a fight, let alone a trained soldier), she has no apparent personality traits aside from 'spunky,' she's been awful about keeping her identity a secret, and I don't think Maisie Williams has enough range as an actress to play her convincingly. A little bit of a sense of humor might give her some depth for example. And no, I don't think the hollow laugh from the last episode counts as 'humor.'
Also, it bothers me that people are so 100% sold on her (and Daenerys, but that's a different discussion). Is it just because she's a little girl and isn't doing girly things? I don't see why that makes her much less of a cliche: instead of doing generic girl things, she's doing generic boy things. How progressive!
I never got the appeal of Miranda Lawson from Mass Effect, she's hot (I guess), professional bad ass... and basically... OH MY GOD!
Miranda Lawson is the Rei Ayanami of cliché video game females, a hot badass, with a get shit done, take no shit attitude, who has just enough vulnerable moments to let the main character in. Even their back stories are more or less similar.
That said, I also don't get Rei, Asuka was a much better character, annoying and shouty, undoubtedly, but she was vibrant, wild and comparatively "normal" (though in EVA "normal" is a subjective term).
But in all seriousness, there's one set of characters most people I've met love and I hate with an intense burning passion: Every! Single! God! Damned! Character!
...in Rent... I hate them all.
Miranda Lawson is the Rei Ayanami of cliché video game females, a hot badass, with a get shit done, take no shit attitude, who has just enough vulnerable moments to let the main character in. Even their back stories are more or less similar.
That said, I also don't get Rei, Asuka was a much better character, annoying and shouty, undoubtedly, but she was vibrant, wild and comparatively "normal" (though in EVA "normal" is a subjective term).
But in all seriousness, there's one set of characters most people I've met love and I hate with an intense burning passion: Every! Single! God! Damned! Character!
...in Rent... I hate them all.
Sasuke motherfucking Uchiha. My brain is simply unable to understand why anyone likes this guy as he is the ultimate douche. He is the biggest douche who ever did douche in all of douchland.
Naruto has not exactly been great for a long time now but I still had hopes that Sasuke would die a horrible, painfull death while all the other characters called him out on what a complete douchebag he is but recent events make me think that not only will he not die, everyone is going to forgive him for all the douchebag things he has done. Hell at this point my perfect ending to Naruto would simply be all the other characters beating him to death with very blunt and very heavy 2 by 4s. A guy can dream.
What is it about manga/anime always letting the bad guys off for all the bad stuff they do as long as they apologise.
Evil douchebag:'I am sorry I was a complete tool who killed all those people, but I know it was wrong and I am good again. We good?'
Stupid protaganist and friends: 'Don't worry about it. So you killed a few people in the name of an evil cause, as long as you are sorry everything is fine, you don't need to answer for your crimes or anything and I am sure the friends and families of all your victims will be cool with it as long as we make it clear you feel bad'
I know it happens in alot of books, games and movies but it seems to happen more in Manga/Anime.
Naruto has not exactly been great for a long time now but I still had hopes that Sasuke would die a horrible, painfull death while all the other characters called him out on what a complete douchebag he is but recent events make me think that not only will he not die, everyone is going to forgive him for all the douchebag things he has done. Hell at this point my perfect ending to Naruto would simply be all the other characters beating him to death with very blunt and very heavy 2 by 4s. A guy can dream.
What is it about manga/anime always letting the bad guys off for all the bad stuff they do as long as they apologise.
Evil douchebag:'I am sorry I was a complete tool who killed all those people, but I know it was wrong and I am good again. We good?'
Stupid protaganist and friends: 'Don't worry about it. So you killed a few people in the name of an evil cause, as long as you are sorry everything is fine, you don't need to answer for your crimes or anything and I am sure the friends and families of all your victims will be cool with it as long as we make it clear you feel bad'
I know it happens in alot of books, games and movies but it seems to happen more in Manga/Anime.