Cheerleader must compensate school that told her to clap 'rapist'

[Duol]

He's not a rapist.
She claims she was raped by him but this was never proven and he was never convicted of that particular offence.
Also, you may think you have the right to say or not say whatever you want without repercussion, but that is incorrect.
Freedom of Speech is not designed to protect you in the way that she is claiming to 'use' it. In fact, by claiming that he is a rapist and making a stand against him (when nothing of the sort has been proven) is defamation.

Whether she was or wasn't raped is irrelevant. It couldn't be proven, only what he pleaded guilty to.

 

[Drazeric]

Rape = death penalty.

Problem solved.​

Oh hey there! I'm a girl who's saying you raped me. becase you played a bit rough with me last night.

Oh lol your going to get killed even though i was lying and i agreed to it.

JUSTICE FOR ALL. AMIRITE?

Firstly, I'm a girl and I'm taken.

Secondly, the attitude you just demonstrated makes me laugh at the post. Thank you.

If you want to try again without the laughable attitude, I'll read your post.

Because a woman can pretty much decide she was raped, it means a lot of men would get killed for no reason.

Its fucking stupid! invites you back to her place things get intimate. You wake up in the morning and bail before she wakes up. Next thing you know is you got a rape charge BLAMO!

 

[-Samurai-]

The bit about a "frivolous" lawsuit that requires her to pay the school's legal fees is ridiculous though. If the courts can't see why the hell the student and her parents would fight the school on that, they're in dire need of a reality check. Do they deserve compensation from the school for the incident? I don't think so. But I also don't think they should be forced to pay the school's legal fees for this one: it's not like they sued the school because the cheerleading uniform made her look fat. Have some fucking sense, courts!

Well, why should the school be out $45,000? They didn't sue themselves. They didn't bring the legal fees on themselves. And they won the case. Had they lost, they'd be paying her legal fees.

That's the way it works and it's absolutely right. If I sue you and I can't prove whatever it is I'm suing you over, and you win, there's no reason you should be punished with legal fees for a court case you shouldn't have been dragged in to. It wouldn't be fair.

 

[theNater]

Yeah, but then there is this thing, punching someone is illegal unless it's self defense, using your right to free speech is however not a crime.

You will notice that no criminal charges have been brought to bear against this girl, and she is facing no criminal penalties.

She broke a cheer squad rule, and was kicked off the cheer squad for doing so. She also wasted a lot of money belonging to other people, and has been ordered to repay that.

 

[crop52]

Because a woman can pretty much decide she was raped, it means a lot of men would get killed for no reason.

Men are raped too. The fact you appear to not understand this weakens your opinion on the subject greatly and renders your post moot.

Surely you are jesting, no? How does one appear to not understand one thing, by understanding another? What Flare Phoenix stated has no correlation to him understanding whether or not men are raped as well as women. His post withstands your calling of moot as your statement is mostly irrelevant.

 

[Ekonk]

What the shiiiiiit.

 

[city cider]

I'm surprisingly cut up as to which side to support here- Yes rape is wrong, but it's not the cheerleading squad's problem per se, and I'm also against americans making more lawsuits than beds.

 

[Hive Mind]

Because a woman can pretty much decide she was raped, it means a lot of men would get killed for no reason.

Men are raped too. The fact you appear to not understand this weakens your opinion on the subject greatly and renders your post moot.

Surely you are jesting, no? How does one appear to not understand one thing, by understanding another? What Flare Phoenix stated has no correlation to him understanding whether or not men are raped as well as women. His post withstands your calling of moot as your statement is mostly irrelevant.

Pray tell what part of "It means a lot of men would get killed for no reason," represents the opinion of someone understanding the sexless nature of rape? If they had said 'a lot of people would get killed for no reason,' then yes. This is not the case however, as they specifically went out of their way to suggest women are the ones being raped, with men on the recieving end of false claims.

Your post is wrong.

 

[Danny Ocean]

Goodbye faith in humanity.

Well that didn't take much. You must be quite young and naive.

Your post is wrong.

No he's not, you're just going off on some barely related tangent because you can't understand his point of view of these things.

The ease with which a rape accusation can be leveed against a man (and the fact they are always taken seriously; guilty until proven innocent) and the devastating effects of even having an accusation on your criminal record are so substantial that they plague even my mind.

It's quite easy for having sex with a girl to be used as blackmail against you because it's simply your word against hers, and the eyes of the courts naturally favour women. It's also naturally in a girl's interests to claim 'rape' should they make a sexual mistake, because it saves them the slander of being called a whore or anything along those lines.

Seriously, it's happened before in high-profile cases. In one case I was recently informed about a woman stalked a man for years, caused his wife to leave him, and then ruined his career (London hedge fund broker) by simply accusing him of raping her even when the claim was clearly bogus. This shit happens and it scares us. Or, at least, it worries me.

Hence, he's worried that instituting the death penalty for rape could result in a lot of frivolous and stressful at best, and deadly at worst, false rape convictions. It's not that hard to understand why he'd think that.

 

[Treblaine]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html

A teenage girl who was dropped from her high school's cheer leading squad after refusing to chant the name of a basketball player who had sexually assaulted her must pay compensation of $45,000 (£27,300) after losing a legal challenge against the decision.

Normally stuff like this makes me rage so hard I am unable to type,this time I am sort of in a transcended state of pure rage so I am able to coherently type.It happened in the US in Texas btw.

So,what are the Escapists feelings on this,I consider myself level headed and understand crazy shit happens in this world,but if I had a daughter who got raped and I had to pay the rapists legal fees,I think I would instead use that money to buy guns and ammo and go postal on the judge and rapist.This is if I was 100% certain my daughter got raped.

Hang on a minute what was she suing for?

I mean I totally understand that she doesn't want to applaud a guy who raped her, but her job is to cheer all the players. If she can't do that job then acting out is a dangerous game as it IS grounds for dismissal.

If she has VERY FUCKING GOOD REASON no to cheer one of the players it's not enough to just refuse to follow the routine, that will lose you your job even if you have a good reason. The appropriate response is give the ultimatum:

"either that rapist moves to another team - so I never have to cheer him - or I leave the cheering squad"

She should have convinced her fellow cheerleaders to strike/boycott till they packed this rapist off to some other team, that might have achieved something.

HS has been given terrible legal advice, there is no way the court is going to rule this dismissal as liable as it would effectively mean that schools will be forced to change their performance routines to accommodate grievances and vendettas. Now she has to pay for her lawyers and court costs and all that.

Lawsuits are not the way to solve issue like this, I know Texans are going to hate this but the cheerleaders should have learned the power of activism, protesting and strikes. If the entire Cheerleading team had got behind HS then they may have gotten this rapist kicked off.

Litigation was a mistake and surprise surprise the lawyers walk away with $45'000.

 

[crop52]

Surely you are jesting, no? How does one appear to not understand one thing, by understanding another? What Flare Phoenix stated has no correlation to him understanding whether or not men are raped as well as women. His post withstands your calling of moot as your statement is mostly irrelevant.

Pray tell what part of "It means a lot of men would get killed for no reason," represents the opinion of someone understanding the sexless nature of rape? If they had said 'a lot of people would get killed for no reason,' then yes. This is not the case however, as they specifically went out of their way to suggest women are the ones being raped, with men on the recieving end of false claims.

Your post is wrong.

I see no manner of him going out of his way for anything. This thread was about a woman who has been raped. Most rapes that occur have the woman as the victim. If he said "a lot of people would get killed for no reason" he would be going out of his way to please people such as you.

 

[Spacewolf]

Im suprised she never got done for libel as well since the guy never got found guilty or rape

 

[Eggsnham]

Now, I'm going to go and be that guy who points out the whole "It's in Texas" thing.

Just kidding, that's fucked up no matter where you go.

I'd totally side with the OP and go postal. That or side with the poster below him and exercise a little non-violent protest.

 

[Eggsnham]

Rape = death penalty.

Problem solved.​

Oh hey there! I'm a girl who's saying you raped me. becase you played a bit rough with me last night.

Oh lol your going to get killed even though i was lying and i agreed to it.

JUSTICE FOR ALL. AMIRITE?

Firstly, I'm a girl and I'm taken.

Secondly, the attitude you just demonstrated makes me laugh at the post. Thank you.

If you want to try again without the laughable attitude, I'll read your post.

I actually know a guy who almost went to jail because some girl got drunk, hooked up with him and decided she'd rather have him go to jail for a long time than admit she had oral sex with him.

Anyways, he got off free because they were able to prove she was on her period at the time and they didn't have sex and afterwards she admitted to blowing him with consent. Moral of the story, rape is serious, but we still need to be careful with it.

DNA and genital exams should be mandatory with every rape case.

 

[Yopaz]

Yeah, but then there is this thing, punching someone is illegal unless it's self defense, using your right to free speech is however not a crime.

You will notice that no criminal charges have been brought to bear against this girl, and she is facing no criminal penalties.

She broke a cheer squad rule, and was kicked off the cheer squad for doing so. She also wasted a lot of money belonging to other people, and has been ordered to repay that.

There's nothing unfair about her having to pay it back. What's not fair is the fact that she had to sue because she used her right. I am not sure if you are aware of how the law works, but the rule with the highest priority is the one you're supposed to follow. If you break one rule, but can counter that and back it up with a law the law is rated more important than the rule. If the law is broken because of a rule, that is invalid as long as you have signed a contract saying you waive that law. If this is the case here, then she is guilty and should be kicked of the squad. I have no information that she did. Also as I said thousand times in my post it's a public school. State law rules public schools. She was punished for not doing her duty, true, but she was using her rights.
I will agree on you that she should pay since she lost the case. She should not be kicked for using her rights since that's against the law. If she was Muslim should she be kicked off for not eating pork when they told her to eat pork? Should a diabetic be kicked off for not drinking soda? Where do you think it should stop? Should a black girl be kicked off for being black? It starts like this, if they are allowed to get away with it they will try what they can get away with in the future. And that will only get worse.

 

[ZombieGenesis]

How does that make sense?

Legal representation for criminal charges is free. Unless NONE of the thousands of lawyers throughout Texas wanted to touch her case. Unless there was some severe complication which led to an extended court fee?

 

[MadManV27]

I would not pay. I would Gandhi that shit.

same

 

[Ris]

Normally I would say that this is disgusting, but I'm a little flabbergasted at the idea of a legal battle over an after-school club; I knew Americans took High School sports quite seriously, but I had no idea just how much.

Bearing in mind how seriously they take it, it sounds like the school were justified in asking her to leave the squad. She wasn't doing her job, and as a Cheerleader she is meant to represent the school's interests and not her own. It was fair punishment and it's not surprising that she lost the case when she decided to sue.

Also, as much as I want to sympathise with her, I'm wondering what she's doing cheering for a team that included this guy in it anyway. She must have known that this situation was going to come up - did she join specifically to make this public strand against him? Was the whole act of sueing just to shame him further? I'm not saying that the guy doesn't deserve it (he does, he really does), it just seems a little unfair to drag your entire school and Football team into the fray.