Cheerleader must compensate school that told her to clap 'rapist'

[Baneat]

Rape = death penalty.

Problem solved.​

Oh hey there! I'm a girl who's saying you raped me. becase you played a bit rough with me last night.

Oh lol your going to get killed even though i was lying and i agreed to it.

JUSTICE FOR ALL. AMIRITE?

Firstly, I'm a girl and I'm taken.

Secondly, the attitude you just demonstrated makes me laugh at the post. Thank you.

If you want to try again without the laughable attitude, I'll read your post.

Or you can address the fact that he seems more convincing than you (much more) instead of resorting to a personal attack, and to insert irrelevant facts about yourself.

 

[Hive Mind]

Rape = death penalty.

Problem solved.​

Oh hey there! I'm a girl who's saying you raped me. becase you played a bit rough with me last night.

Oh lol your going to get killed even though i was lying and i agreed to it.

JUSTICE FOR ALL. AMIRITE?

Firstly, I'm a girl and I'm taken.

Secondly, the attitude you just demonstrated makes me laugh at the post. Thank you.

If you want to try again without the laughable attitude, I'll read your post.

I actually know a guy who almost went to jail because some girl got drunk, hooked up with him and decided she'd rather have him go to jail for a long time than admit she had oral sex with him.

Anyways, he got off free because they were able to prove she was on her period at the time and they didn't have sex and afterwards she admitted to blowing him with consent. Moral of the story, rape is serious, but we still need to be careful with it.

DNA and genital exams should be mandatory with every rape case.

A) Using a drunk person for sex is disgusting.

B) It is a statistical fact that only about 5-10% of rapists are ever charged or convicted and 1 in 6 women in the U.S is raped or has been the victim of an attempted rape, with roughly 50% of rapes going unreported and the average victim being under the age of sixteen.

You post implies rape to be a common misreport and something of an 'issue'. I assure you, rape is an issue. However, the issue is not 'women getting drunk and reporting rape out of regret.' The issue is opinions such as yours that cause half of all people who are raped to never report it.

C) Having sex while you have your period is very common. Your story seems haphazard and loose, as if your facts are mixed up or you're simply lying.

D) Mandatory exams? Oh yes, force a rape victim to have their penis or vagina examined after having just experienced the single worst pain a human can endure.

The post you made shows a lack of maturity or comprehension of the issue.

I see no manner of him going out of his way for anything. This thread was about a woman who has been raped. Most rapes that occur have the woman as the victim. If he said "a lot of people would get killed for no reason" he would be going out of his way to please people such as you.

I've already voiced my opinion -- that you are wrong -- and informed you that I find your posts ill-informed. There is no need to continue the debate as neither of us will fault.

 

[Tucker154]

.....Wow.......
And the Supreme Court didn't take a case that dealt with the violation of the First Amendment!!?!?!

Ok,now with the combination of whats going on in personal life and this,im convinced the system dont work.

 

[Terminal Blue]

Freedom of Speech is not designed to protect you in the way that she is claiming to 'use' it. In fact, by claiming that he is a rapist and making a stand against him (when nothing of the sort has been proven) is defamation.

Whether she was or wasn't raped is irrelevant. It couldn't be proven, only what he pleaded guilty to.

Slow down there.

Look, we understand the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty', but to say that you can't accuse someone of a serious crime because it hasn't been proved in a court of law makes absolutely no sense at all. How else would anyone bring charges against someone else?

This is especially true of rape, where the conviction rate is exceptionally low due to a high burden of evidence. A court can be largely sure that someone is guilty of rape, and it seems quite possible in this situation, yet lack the evidence to actually convict. This is why we have a whole variety of other measures designed to protect people who lose their cases, because there must still be every acknowledgement that they may have been raped.

He has not been proven innocent, the case against him has been dropped due to insufficient evidence. While these may mean the same things legally, it does not mean that this woman has no right to call him a rapist, because he might be. If it's a problem, I'm sure he could take that defamation case to court, but that would place the burden of proof on him to prove that he didn't rape this woman, and if there was insufficient evidence to convict him, there's unlikely to be sufficient evidence to prove that he didn't do it.

 

[willsham45]

What the hell. What court says you don't have the right toi free speech, she had all right to do what she did. It was not a big event I could see problems if it was a big international event or something but this is rediculus and then to give her the bill that she obviously could not pay back. That is just the pinical of evil.

But I am hearing more and more things like this, when the hell are people going to start going NO more of this crap, why are people calling out against this, calling out the judge who said this.

ultimatly
WHY IS THIS SORT OF THING BECOMMING COMMON?

 

[Gardenia]

The fee is due to them losing a legal challenge against the school. As the winners, the school wants to be reimbursed for what they see as wasting their time. The morality of the rape doesn't even come into it. That said, the negative publicity they could receive will probably be an even worse headache.

It would have been so simple if they had simply let her stay silent for the few scant seconds the team was cheering mr. rapist, then gotten on with the rest of their business. People need to learn how to manage these situations better.

Justice isn't just, fair, or righteous, it's a set of rules we're all meant to abide by to make sure our houses don't all burn down. Manipulate it as you will, that's the federally-given right of every citizen in this country.

Thank you for bringing up a reasonable response instead of "HURR GIRL SAYS SHE WAS RAPED AND NOW I AM MAD!"
Although I agree this is quite bad for the girl in question, we do not know the whole story behind this, only what is told in some sensationalist article.

Rape = death penalty.

Problem solved.​

This is probably one of the worst ideas in the history of bad ideas. False rape charges happen all the time.

 

[Hive Mind]

Rape = death penalty.

Problem solved.​

Oh hey there! I'm a girl who's saying you raped me. becase you played a bit rough with me last night.

Oh lol your going to get killed even though i was lying and i agreed to it.

JUSTICE FOR ALL. AMIRITE?

Firstly, I'm a girl and I'm taken.

Secondly, the attitude you just demonstrated makes me laugh at the post. Thank you.

If you want to try again without the laughable attitude, I'll read your post.

Applying the death penalty to crimes solves nothing.

Don't come over all high and mighty when someone uses sarcasm against you, after you write something like that.

Firstly, the death penalty removes unwanted vermin. If a rat comes into your home, killing it won't stop more from coming, but that one won't eat your bread.

Secondly, sarcasm is unintelligent and a poor use of English. There are far better ways to convey a message and contribute to a discussion. Resorting to that level of language in a topic as serious as this shows immaturity. I won't bend to that.

 

[Hive Mind]

This is probably one of the worst ideas in the history of bad ideas. False rape charges happen all the time.

Have any proof to offer of this claim? Or is it an assumption with zero credit as it seems now?

 

[Terminal Blue]

This is probably one of the worst ideas in the history of bad ideas. False rape charges happen all the time.

Evidence?

Also, define rape.

 

[rokkolpo]

Hahaha amazing.

I had no idea my respect for America could plummet lower.
For the Americans on the Escapist that are normal I deeply apologise and feel sorry for you.
I feel sorry that you have to share a continent with those kind of people.

 

[omega 616]

Imagine her cheerleading is your gaming, I am assuming you love to game 'cos your on this site.

So your doing your thing, spent hours practicing all the routines and how to do all the jumps and flips just right. Then some walking erection comes along, rapes you and now your expecting to support the guy and chant his name?

Oh you don't want to chant his name 'cos he raped you? Your off the team but you love the team and want to stay on it ... what do?

Not only has he raped you, he got a slap on the wrist, ruined your passion or made you cheer/support him.

So what would you have done?

Protest, picket, start a facebook group, and complain to the school district.

If it came down to it I personally would quit, because not cheering means getting kicked off the team anyways and in this case i'd rather just quit on my own terms. I'm not stupid enough to start something that I know I can't win.

Your obviously not putting yourself in that girls postion. Saying "I would just quit" isn't what you would do with something you love doing.

I am just guessing she loves to do it though.

Say in some contrived way, you love playing football and you spend hours practicing and running a million miles a week, eating properly etc and one day some guy rapes you and you refuse to play with that guy.

Your now fired for refusing to play, while the guy who just ruined what you love to do and trained hard for gets to carry on and gets a slap on the wrist.

America is a sue happy place, from what I have seen anyway. People get thousands for very minor things and we all have money problems. I saw a guy on English TV who used a disposable razer to shave, piece of the plastic had snapped off but he used it anyway, it gave him a very faint half inch long scar ... this guy also had a deep scar across his chin (about 2 inches long) from being glassed, he also wasn't exactly model material, the guy won £17,000 off the company, after refusing to accept £10,000.

I think rape is alot worse than a tiny scratch on an ugly guys face, who already has a massive scar.

Yeah, she could have done other shit to "get back at him" but all the comments I have read have been along the lines off "money grabbing *****". Just the other day I was trying to say that girls who dress and act a certain way are more likely to get raped and had most of them were "no, it's always the guys fault no matter what", so that was a sudden turn around.

 

[Ris]

D) Mandatory exams? Oh yes, force a rape victim to have their penis or vagina examined after having just experienced the single worst pain a human can endure.

I'd also like mandatory examinations. As much as I can appreciate your ire at the tone in that guy's original (thoughtless) post, he still has a point; not all rape claims are genuine, and no man should be put to death if there is even a shadow of doubt over what really happened (as a Brit I can't condone the death penalty anyway, but lets not get into that one).

And it's not just the reasons already expressed that a false rape claim might be made; look at celebrity cases, sports players in particular. In my country we're constantly having rape claims laid against footballers, and for every one that is guilty, there is another who has been targeted because he's guaranteed to offer a massive out of court settlement. Not only is this unfair on the accused, but it also makes a mockery of those who have suffered genuine rape.

A Mandatory examination would eliminate bogus claims and give genuine victims more faith that they will find justice in the legal system. Yes, it will be a difficult ordeal for a victim to have to endure, but at least at the end of it nobody can push their claims aside as bogus.

 

[Terminal Blue]

A Mandatory examination would eliminate bogus claims and give genuine victims more faith that they will find justice in the legal system. Yes, it will be a difficult ordeal for a victim to have to endure, but at least at the end of it nobody can push their claims aside as bogus.

This would be fine if exams worked. They don't.

An exam can pretty reliably prove that you had sex. Often, you can get enough genetic material to prove who you had sex with it.

However, it's perfectly possibly to seriously injure someone through consensual sex, or to not injure someone at all through rape, so exams do not provide absolute proof of consent. Evidence gathered from medical examination is generally pretty useless in court unless the accused tries to claim they never had sex at all.

There is no absolute visual measure of whether someone has been raped.

This is why I would never support the death penalty. Not because of false rape charges, which have never been convincingly proven to be terribly 'widespread'. We don't need anything which pushes the burden of proof higher than it already is, because it's already too high for a lot of people to have any hope of securing conviction.

 

[Hive Mind]

D) Mandatory exams? Oh yes, force a rape victim to have their penis or vagina examined after having just experienced the single worst pain a human can endure.

I'd also like mandatory examinations. As much as I can appreciate your ire at the tone in that guy's original (thoughtless) post, he still has a point; not all rape claims are genuine, and no man should be put to death if there is even a shadow of doubt over what really happened (as a Brit I can't condone the death penalty anyway, but lets not get into that one).

And it's not just the reasons already expressed that a false rape claim might be made; look at celebrity cases, sports players in particular. In my country we're constantly having rape claims laid against footballers, and for every one that is guilty, there is another who has been targeted because he's guaranteed to offer a massive out of court settlement. Not only is this unfair on the accused, but it also makes a mockery of those who have suffered genuine rape.

A Mandatory examination would eliminate bogus claims and give genuine victims more faith that they will find justice in the legal system. Yes, it will be a difficult ordeal for a victim to have to endure, but at least at the end of it nobody can push their claims aside as bogus.

My post was indeed largely a pass-over due to their ill-informed and rather disgusting attitude. Glad you could see past it and address the issue with maturity. As it happens, exams are part of standard procedure and it is something, though not as bad as the act before, that is very much horrid. Trust me.

Also, I rather dislike how often the idea that rape is a common thing to report falsely is being thrown around without any evidence or research sources at all. If one were to look into it, they would find that the majority of rape cases happen to children and most rapes go unreported.

Yes, false accusations happen -- just as they do for EVERY other crime. This idea that women (who are NOT the only victims) so easily throw out the word rape, as if on a whim, is sickening and it seems to accompany this site's majority male demographic. I've never been a supporter of the existence of true sexism outside of the obvious (women being paid less), but the blasé attitude that people here assert the, to them, fact that women are commonly out to get men they regret sleeping with irks me to no end.

 

[Lewieroo0]

jesus christ! what some schools will do