Cheerleader must compensate school that told her to clap 'rapist'

[jpoon]

Removed by myself for stupidity.

 

[YesIPlayTheBagpipes]

that is entirely outrageous. to anyone involved at the school's end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_QDGdbg-QQ

 

[bluewolf]

Holy shit! Looks like there are some pretty stupid people in Texas!(No offence to the sane texans)

 

[The Apothecarry]

"When the girl said she was unwilling to endorse a man who had sexually assaulted her, she was expelled from the cheerleading squad."

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

So, sexual assault is unacceptable to speak out against? What the hell? As if one unhappy cheerleader makes an entire football game unenjoyable.

"But two separate courts ruled against her, deciding that a cheerleader freely agrees to act as a 'mouthpiece' for a institution and therefore surrenders her constitutional right to free speech."

Really? This is what they're letting schools do to students now? What is wrong with our educational system? I'm raised and taught that I have a right to say whatever I want and now I learn that the institutions that taught me this had the ability to strip me of that right? BULLSHIT.

And she was as no point told that she would be "surrendering her right to free speech." No contracts, nothing. For a state that shouldn't be messed with, Texas is pretty messed up.

 

[clipse15]

This is literally injustice. Those guys are pigs to even consider charging her $45,000 over a simple thing of refusing to cheer for someone who molested her - what the crap is wrong with humanity? Seriously.. this is unfair to a whole new level.

So the guy who sexually assaults a woman not only gets away with it, but then since she refuses to clap/cheer for him is charged?? WHY?? This sickens me, the school should be sued and the man should be brought to jail. I really can't stand our justice system sometimes, 'Justice is blind' my butt..

Really? i'm so glad the judicial system is not run by you. So you think someone who first of all wasn't convicted of rape or convicted of sexual assault should be sent to jail?

Secondly did you read the article? She was not charged. She tried to sue for monetary compensation 3 times and after the third time the court charged her for filing frivioulous claims.

Justice needs to be impartial and look at facts, not the fact that your angry over an ACCUSASTION.

 

[FoxVI]

I have a feeling that the fact that the basketball player sexually assaulted her was not proven in court (since the charge of rape was dropped). Therefore the student was trying to press legal charges on an item that was already proven to be false. If that actually reflects reality (IE if she actually got raped or not) is uncertain.

My question is, why was the rape charge dropped? Had she got that to stick, that kid wouldn't have been on the basketball team to begin with and this whole situation would have been avoided.

Most rape cases are dropped on account of lack of evidence; at least here in america, I don't know about the rest of the world.

 

[Aur0ra145]

"When the girl said she was unwilling to endorse a man who had sexually assaulted her, she was expelled from the cheerleading squad."

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

So, sexual assault is unacceptable to speak out against? What the hell? As if one unhappy cheerleader makes an entire football game unenjoyable.

"But two separate courts ruled against her, deciding that a cheerleader freely agrees to act as a 'mouthpiece' for a institution and therefore surrenders her constitutional right to free speech."

Really? This is what they're letting schools do to students now? What is wrong with our educational system? I'm raised and taught that I have a right to say whatever I want and now I learn that the institutions that taught me this had the ability to strip me of that right? BULLSHIT.

And she was as no point told that she would be "surrendering her right to free speech." No contracts, nothing. For a state that shouldn't be messed with, Texas is pretty messed up.

On the topic of contracts. I'm from Texas, I graduated in 2007. I remember back then having to sign contracts with organizations that engaged in extra curricular activities. They generally said, Don't drink or smoke or do drugs, you must participate and abide by the rules or we'll kick you off the team. This included random drug tests.

Additionally, when all the steroids stuff started happening around here, we had to sign contracts saying that we wouldn't use them, or face penalty by removal from the team and even expulsion for school.

In all honesty, I wish there was a lot more information in that article, it leaves a bunch of questions unanswered.

 

[clipse15]

Really? i'm so glad the judicial system is not run by you. So you think someone who first of all wasn't convicted of rape or convicted of sexual assault should be sent to jail?

Secondly did you read the article? She was not charged. She tried to sue for monetary compensation 3 times and after the third time the court charged her for filing frivioulous claims.

Justice needs to be impartial and look at facts, not the fact that your angry over an ACCUSASTION.

..Uh, I did read the article but I am going with the ideal about the situation. She may of not been charged, but it doesn't excuse them to even consider charging her. Plus, if she refused to cheer for one person and then go far enough to be kicked from the Cheer Leading Squad - then that tells you something.

I'm angry at the subject of course, but I still keep a good sense of 'right' from 'wrong' and clearly this issue overall is a primary lack of justice within our system in America. I do not like how it's ran period, so if you think it's best that I don't run it - fine. But, it's still my opinion of course.

Really? So say the situation is that she was just trying to get money off of this situation? she forces the school to go to court 3 times paying fees. So should we just take her word for it and force the school to pay for court fees for a case they didn't want to take on?

 

[FoxVI]

Freedom of Speech is not designed to protect you in the way that she is claiming to 'use' it. In fact, by claiming that he is a rapist and making a stand against him (when nothing of the sort has been proven) is defamation.

Whether she was or wasn't raped is irrelevant. It couldn't be proven, only what he pleaded guilty to.

Slow down there.

Look, we understand the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty', but to say that you can't accuse someone of a serious crime because it hasn't been proved in a court of law makes absolutely no sense at all. How else would anyone bring charges against someone else?

This is especially true of rape, where the conviction rate is exceptionally low due to a high burden of evidence. A court can be largely sure that someone is guilty of rape, and it seems quite possible in this situation, yet lack the evidence to actually convict. This is why we have a whole variety of other measures designed to protect people who lose their cases, because there must still be every acknowledgement that they may have been raped.

He has not been proven innocent, the case against him has been dropped due to insufficient evidence. While these may mean the same things legally, it does not mean that this woman has no right to call him a rapist, because he might be. If it's a problem, I'm sure he could take that defamation case to court, but that would place the burden of proof on him to prove that he didn't rape this woman, and if there was insufficient evidence to convict him, there's unlikely to be sufficient evidence to prove that he didn't do it.

Thank you very much for saying exactly what I was thinking.

 

[Chemical Alia]

Let's just do away with high school sports altogether and spend the money on academics.

 

[BabyRaptor]

Welcome to Texas. I spent 23 years there, I can tell you how bass-akwards and stupid the majority of the people are.

A member of the basketball team raped a girl at my high school...Openly bragged about it. Didn't deny it at all. The prevalent attitude wasn't concern for the victim, but "Poor guy, look at the stigma he'll have to live with for the rest of his life!" The school's main concern was ruining his chances of getting into a good college.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

*HEAD*ehgwuiegh*HIT*efgiuqegh*KEYBOARD*uiwefgiu

To the rest of the world, I formally apologize for my State.

If all the stuff the media tells us about texas is true, you may well be the only sane man in that state.

God help you.

OP: I want to punch the judge in the face, as well as the rapist and whichever idiot from the school itself kicked her off the team. Law is apparently not only blind but is also severely retarded.
So she's 'mouthpiece of the institution' and hey, its not like human beings have feelings or any other shit to worry about, do they? /herpderp

 

[Marik2]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html

A teenage girl who was dropped from her high school's cheer leading squad after refusing to chant the name of a basketball player who had sexually assaulted her must pay compensation of $45,000 (£27,300) after losing a legal challenge against the decision.

Normally stuff like this makes me rage so hard I am unable to type,this time I am sort of in a transcended state of pure rage so I am able to coherently type.It happened in the US in Texas btw.

So,what are the Escapists feelings on this,I consider myself level headed and understand crazy shit happens in this world,but if I had a daughter who got raped and I had to pay the rapists legal fees,I think I would instead use that money to buy guns and ammo and go postal on the judge and rapist.This is if I was 100% certain my daughter got raped.

Oh crap not this story again...

Someone else linked this months ago and then it turned into a LOLZ ONLY IN TEXAS CUZ THEY'RE REDNECKS thread.

 

[KissofKetchup]

After reading the article and seeing that this happened in Texas, unfortunately I am not surprised in the least

 

[Evertw]

I know people are going to disagree with this but here it goes anyway.

I can understand how the school/courts could see this case as 'frivolous'. This guy was let back on the basketball team after the initial incident. Chances are good that this wasn't a big secret. So from the schools point of view, she should have realized, that at some point being on the cheer squad she would have to cheer for the basketball team and through that, the person who assaulted her. With that train of thought, she had several choices that she could have done to avoid the situation at the game. She could have talked to the coach to see about not participating during basketball games and if that wasn't an option she could have removed herself from the squad. So in short she had ways to avoid the situation and as far as I can tell from the story, she didn't even attempt any of them.

Also, if the person who raped your daughter, was back in the same school as her, wouldn't you see about moving her to a different school?

Rape is often performed by aquaintances or friends of the victim, so it's pretty hard to predict which school is safer. In my opinion though it is never the victim that should have to move, it's the coward criminal scum of the earth.

 

[TheAceTheOne]

I'd rather people didn't rage against Texas. While I don't live in Texas, I think Texas is a good state. And aren't all high schools obsessed on some level with sports? Seriously, people... Look at almost any high school and you'll easily find several people, possibly a majority of the students, are obsessed with sports.

I'd rather people raged against the judge and the rapist. My solution, while not entirely applicable, comes in form of an angry music video by Beneath the Sky.

Spoiler: My official solution (Lyrics are NSFW)

It's not about a cheerleader-player crime... it's about a guy-daughter crime of a rather similar nature (I.E. Sexual assault). Just watch around 2:37 to the end if you want my solution. If you want to watch the rest, go for it. Lyrics [http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858824159/] to the song, while not applicable in entirety, are here: The last four lines pretty much fit my opinion.

 

[Yopaz]

There's nothing unfair about her having to pay it back. What's not fair is the fact that she had to sue because she used her right. I am not sure if you are aware of how the law works, but the rule with the highest priority is the one you're supposed to follow. If you break one rule, but can counter that and back it up with a law the law is rated more important than the rule. If the law is broken because of a rule, that is invalid as long as you have signed a contract saying you waive that law. If this is the case here, then she is guilty and should be kicked of the squad. I have no information that she did. Also as I said thousand times in my post it's a public school. State law rules public schools. She was punished for not doing her duty, true, but she was using her rights.

By this argument, she has the right to not cheer at all, and remain on the cheer squad. Do you believe that is appropriate?

If she was Muslim should she be kicked off for not eating pork when they told her to eat pork?

Kicked off a cheer squad? No.
Kicked off a hot-dog eating team, when the pork in question is the hot dogs at a competition? Absolutely.

Where do you think it should stop?

Precisely where the refusal to engage in the activity does not explicitly prevent her from fulfilling her duties as part of the team.

So if she was black and that ruined the white trash look of the cheer squad should she be kicked off for being black? If she was too short compared to the rest should she be kicked off for being too short? If the rest of the cheer squad was chanting the name of a terrorist should she be kicked off for refusing to do that? Stop cutting off my posts here I mention the law. You know the thing you have to follow.
Public schools have to follow the law. She did not waive from her right to free speech. If you want to continue this debate, quote my whole post and answer when she waived her rights to free speech. Tell me when she signed a contract which would make this acceptable. Unless you can provide that then you are jsut beating a dead horse, because I consider the laws before I state anything. Looking at the laws, she should not have had to go to trial for this. The school should be spared it, the alleged rapist shouldn't have to be pulled into the media picture again, she should not have been kicked off.
If you do reply to this post without stating when she waived her right, I will ignore it and assume that you lost this one.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

I'd rage and shit but there's already 14 pages of that.


OH WAIT IT'S SO STUPID I JUST GOTTA

RRRRAAAGGGEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[theNater]

Yes.

When I was in high school, and I was in the Pep Band, I would sometimes not play my instrument (usually because I was eating candy). As long as enough other people had the part covered, no one much cared. I sometimes covered for other band-mates while they snacked.

It's a high school club, not a paid job. Why wouldn't she have the right to sit out one cheer?

If she'd made arrangements to be covered, as you did with your bandmates, I'd agree. But my understanding is that she didn't do even that. The article says she stood with arms folded, not that she sat out while another cheerleader took her place. Given that cheerleading is least partly visual in nature, having one's part covered requires that the visual not be disrupted.

 

[ChieftainStag]

see this is why we need capital punishment in town squares, a man rapes a woman and gets his wang cut off - case closed

instead we have a retarded justice system that allows criminals to get away with this kind of crap

my rant..

I agree with this.

I don't think the cheerleader is to blame. She chose not to cheer on someone who freaking raped her. then the schoolboard took her off the cheerleading team because she didn't cheer for the person who raped her. now I know she had the option not to bring this to court however think about it this way: (horrible analogy incoming) imagine of you liked all of Valve's games except say Portal. Then you applauded all of then except portal. you were then sued by valve who won the case. (I get that she was supposed to cheer fo the team but I'm trying to get it to apply to escapists minds. reply to this with a better analogy plz.) I think the only people to blame at all are the Schoolboard and the Rapist.