Child Safety Bill Could Cripple Anime Industry

[DarkRyter]

All of these child safety groups have nothing positive to contribute to society, end of story.

I bet the same argument was made when that "evil nanny state" stepped in and created age of consent laws.

No good could ever come from stopping folks from screwing 12 year olds, either, I'm sure.

Age of consent laws protect REAL children in the REAL world.

All this law is doing is letting a bunch of old government stooges decide what is appropriate for society and what isn't. It limits the freedom of artistic expression, by forcing it to fall under the tastes of some bureaucrat. And who is it protecting? No one.

 

[Something Amyss]

Age of consent laws protect REAL children in the REAL world.

All this law is doing is letting a bunch of old government stooges decide what is appropriate for society and what isn't. It limits the freedom of artistic expression, by forcing it to fall under the tastes of some bureaucrat. And who is it protecting? No one.

Good, you ignored the reason I brought up age of consent laws in the first place. It's okay. That was completely unnecessary to understanding my response and should have been completely disregarded in the process.

Groups protecting children go overboard sometimes, but they are a necessity, and it's ridiculous to say otherwise. I responded to someone saying otherwise, that they did no good full stop. That's ridiculous. Full stop. Pointing out age of consent laws, once heralded as a bad thing and unnecessary ran analogous to that reasoning does not make the two scenarios completely analogous. It merely highlights the ridiculous nature of the thought process behind it.

But hey, I'm obviously comparing fap material to screwing kids because what else could I have been addressing.

 

[bawkbawkboo1]

I've been playing through Star Ocean: The Last Hope recently (I rented it) and, although in the cannon the characters are supposedly 20 or so, the character models look really young. I don't think it should be classified the same as porn, and certainly not made illegal (I am not in favor of this proposal), but on a personal level I find it creepy as hell. I think there should be cultural discussion about this stuff, but legislating it would be unproductive at best and and infringement of legitimate rights at worst.

 

[Ham_authority95]

While I hate censorship, this will give Anime a chance to stop using shady fan-service as a selling point.

 

[UberNoodle]

Also of note is Ishihara is just kind of an all around bastard in general:
- Claims Rape of Nanking never happened
- Said in a interview for a women's magazine "old women who live after they have lost their reproductive function are useless and are committing a sin"
- Believes that a Korea under Japanese rule would be justified

Fair enough, but what your promoting there is a logical fallacy. Those issues have nothing to do with this Bill.

 

[DarkRyter]

Age of consent laws protect REAL children in the REAL world.

All this law is doing is letting a bunch of old government stooges decide what is appropriate for society and what isn't. It limits the freedom of artistic expression, by forcing it to fall under the tastes of some bureaucrat. And who is it protecting? No one.

Good, you ignored the reason I brought up age of consent laws in the first place. It's okay. That was completely unnecessary to understanding my response and should have been completely disregarded in the process.

Groups protecting children go overboard sometimes, but they are a necessity, and it's ridiculous to say otherwise. I responded to someone saying otherwise, that they did no good full stop. That's ridiculous. Full stop. Pointing out age of consent laws, once heralded as a bad thing and unnecessary ran analogous to that reasoning does not make the two scenarios completely analogous. It merely highlights the ridiculous nature of the thought process behind it.

But hey, I'm obviously comparing fap material to screwing kids because what else could I have been addressing.

I wasn't arguing against you, I was using your quote as a jumping point for my own commentary on the thread topic.

 

[RUINER ACTUAL]

Fuck child safety. The last thing this world should be concerned with is the safety of its children. Especially in regards towards what they see in the media. That's the parents problem.

When I first started reading this post, i was like "What the hell is wrong with this guy?!", but then I was like "I agree with this statement."

Never underestimate the price of shock value. Gets peoples attention and they want to see what you have to say. And I didn't say "first."

 

[FredTheUndead]

Also of note is Ishihara is just kind of an all around bastard in general:
- Claims Rape of Nanking never happened
- Said in a interview for a women's magazine "old women who live after they have lost their reproductive function are useless and are committing a sin"
- Believes that a Korea under Japanese rule would be justified

Fair enough, but what your promoting there is a logical fallacy. Those issues have nothing to do with this Bill.

My point being that between his disreputable behavior and the INCREDIBLY vague wording of the bill, this is just BEGGING for abuse.

 

[TheRealCJ]

Wow, I'm seeing a lot of ignorant outrage over this.

"OH NOES, NOW how will I get my fix of ultraviolent Manga and weird fetish Anime?! Nanny state think of the childrens personal freedoms rargh"

You don't like how the government is running things? Protest!Oh wait, you probably don't live in japan and so protesting their government to change a law is both stupid and pointless.

Actually it's more you that's the ignorant one here, since again this is outlawing the depiction of illegal things in series that are NOT LABELED ADULT ONLY. In effect this means that every series is either Pokemon, Black Lagoon, or outright porn. The series that will be hit the hardest are shows like Dragonball, not fetish shows or gorefests.

So? Okay, so maybe the Japanese government is being a BIT overzealous, but are the reactions from most of the posts here any less ridiculous?

Everyone here has either been fairly reasonable on one side or the other or OH GOD YES FINALLY SOMEONE STOPS THE ABUSE OF CARTOON CHILDREN. And furthermore it's not really the government at large. It's the crazy governor of Tokyo (who, as I mentioned earlier, also says post menopausal women are sinful wastes of resources, denies the Rape of the Nanking, and wants to conquer Korea), who has been dismissed and denounced by tons of sources both in the private sector and political sphere.

So yes. This thread is considerably less ridiculous for the most part.

Really? Honestly, I agree that Tokyo has gone slightly too far in regards to the censorship of it's media with this law, but allow me to quote the very first reply to this article:

Fuck child safety. The last thing this world should be concerned with is the safety of its children. Especially in regards towards what they see in the media. That's the parents problem.

That sounds like a well thought-out argument if I ever heard one.

Again, mostly sane. Nobody ever seems to bother to actually read the damn information.

I would like to reemphasize the world "MOSTLY."

No, they just read the article, make a knee jerk assumption, and write a stupid reply. How is ANYONE going to take us seriously if this is how we react to the slightest imposition or perceived threat to our culture? We'll end up as just another PETA. Look at what happens whenever Australia is brought up. At least the first two posts are going to be something along the lines of "RARGH AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT R18+ CENSORSHIP MICHAEL ATKINSON BURN". Most of it coming from people who don't actually live here.

So what you did 5 seconds ago when you claimed the only reason people would be against this is because they're mad about getting their fetish series and gorefests cut off. Unless you were being facetious, in which case consider my arguments withdrawn.

That said, even if you don't live in the country in question doesn't mean you can't have opinions about their policies and regulations.

Edit: Reading through, I'm also aware of the number of people who read the first post, quoted it, and said something along the lines of "I totally agree with this sentiment".

The reason for that? It gives people a reason to flip off the weeaboos. If anime and manga are getting their image changed, start by dumping those bastards.

If fandoms could jettison their worst members, things would be much better off. Sadly, just as all Warcraft fans will be portrayed as neckbeards living off mushrooms on the basement wall so they can spend more time grinding, as opposed to true gentlemen that just want to stomp the enemy with a horde of juggernauts and ogre magi on their time off, anime and manga fans will always be portrayed as fat kids in Naruto headbands and Inuyasha fangirls instead of people that just happen to enjoy reading Vinland Saga or watching Baccano.

Ja, Facetious.

 

[TheRealCJ]

Well, as they say, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions .__.

Actually, the road to hell is paved with frozen door-to-door salesmen. On weekends many of the younger demons go ice-skating down it.

 

[Koroviev]

Well, as they say, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions .__.

Actually, the road to hell is paved with frozen door-to-door salesmen. On weekends many of the younger demons go ice-skating down it.

Don't the salesman melt?

 

[Gildan Bladeborn]

Oh noes, this is horrible!!

...is what I would be saying if I actually gave a crap about anime or manga. Which I do not. In point of fact, I have a well known antipathy for the entire medium, so news that potential legislation could cripple the whole darn industry doesn't really have a downside from my perspective. Yay censorship (that undermines things I dislike).

 

[KnightOfAthena]

Well it's good that they are trying to outlaw "lolicon" but please make a bill that specifically says that. Some anime is really good and I do not want an industry to fail because people cannot conduct government clearly.

 

[TheRealCJ]

Well, as they say, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions .__.

Actually, the road to hell is paved with frozen door-to-door salesmen. On weekends many of the younger demons go ice-skating down it.

Don't the salesman melt?

Well, obviously the road to hell isn't hell itself.

 

[Koroviev]

Well, as they say, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions .__.

Actually, the road to hell is paved with frozen door-to-door salesmen. On weekends many of the younger demons go ice-skating down it.

Don't the salesman melt?

Well, obviously the road to hell isn't hell itself.

Well, isn't that confusing .__.

On a less puzzling note, I had a chocolate thing on an impulse and it was actually kind of awesome. Never mind, that' puzzling too. If I have another one, it'll probably suck.

 

[dalek sec]

Fuck child safety. The last thing this world should be concerned with is the safety of its children. Especially in regards towards what they see in the media. That's the parents problem.

This, I'm so sick and tired of having to give up the things I enjoy just so some little shit can remain "pure and safe" from the violent content. Screw the family and the children, I'm a single white male and I fail to see why I should have to suffer.

 

[DarkRyter]

Oh noes, this is horrible!!

...is what I would be saying if I actually gave a crap about anime or manga. Which I do not. In point of fact, I have a well known antipathy for the entire medium, so news that potential legislation could cripple the whole darn industry doesn't really have a downside from my perspective. Yay censorship (that undermines things I dislike).

"Freedom to write, freedom to read, freedom to own material that you believe is worth defending means you're going to have to stand up for stuff you don't believe is worth defending, even stuff you find actively distasteful, because laws are big blunt instruments that do not differentiate between what you like and what you don't, because prosecutors are humans and bear grudges and fight for re-election, because one person's obscenity is another person's art." ~Neil Gaiman.

If we're gonna cry out against censorship, we gotta go all the way. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend, and even if they censor shit you hate, that does not mean you stand idly by. If you cannot protect something you don't care about, how can you protect something you do care about?

 

[RUINER ACTUAL]

Fuck child safety. The last thing this world should be concerned with is the safety of its children. Especially in regards towards what they see in the media. That's the parents problem.

This, I'm so sick and tired of having to give up the things I enjoy just so some little shit can remain "pure and safe" from the violent content. Screw the family and the children, I'm a single white male and I fail to see why I should have to suffer.

Exactly. What are these kids going to be like when they get out into the world?

 

[dalek sec]

Fuck child safety. The last thing this world should be concerned with is the safety of its children. Especially in regards towards what they see in the media. That's the parents problem.

This, I'm so sick and tired of having to give up the things I enjoy just so some little shit can remain "pure and safe" from the violent content. Screw the family and the children, I'm a single white male and I fail to see why I should have to suffer.

Exactly. What are these kids going to be like when they get out into the world?

I'd frakking give my left arm to watch their parents struggling to come up with some kind of half assed answer when their little brat comes home in tears when they find out the world is not always sunshine and marshmellows.