When I first started reading this post, i was like "What the hell is wrong with this guy?!", but then I was like "I agree with this statement."RUINER ACTUAL said:
Child Safety Bill Could Cripple Anime Industry
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Your reading comprehension disappoints me. I wasn't saying Japan's full of pedophiles, I was saying that all those anime and manga freaks are a bunch of pedophiles.FredTheUndead said:Yes yes Simulord, you think Japan is a country populated by pedophiles, now run along and fail to contribute to or actually read about some other thread's subject matter.SimuLord said:Normally not my thing to support censorship, but really, Japan, you brought this on yourself. Your country is synonymous with this sort of cultural detritus and "" reaction from the rest of the world. Considering what Japan came up with before fucked-up anime and manga (Kabuki, sumo, samurai, and other ritual that is truly worthy of admiration for the code of morals and ethics that it advances as their national character), I kind of want to say "eat it, weeaboos."
Yes, because every manga ever written has been about raping small children.SimuLord said:Your reading comprehension disappoints me. I wasn't saying Japan's full of pedophiles, I was saying that all those anime and manga freaks are a bunch of pedophiles.FredTheUndead said:Yes yes Simulord, you think Japan is a country populated by pedophiles, now run along and fail to contribute to or actually read about some other thread's subject matter.SimuLord said:Normally not my thing to support censorship, but really, Japan, you brought this on yourself. Your country is synonymous with this sort of cultural detritus and "
Your generalization of an entire fanbase offends me, but, to make a point about free expression, I will assert that you have every right to say it, regardless of whoever views it as wrong or immoral.SimuLord said:Your reading comprehension disappoints me. I wasn't saying Japan's full of pedophiles, I was saying that all those anime and manga freaks are a bunch of pedophiles.FredTheUndead said:Yes yes Simulord, you think Japan is a country populated by pedophiles, now run along and fail to contribute to or actually read about some other thread's subject matter.SimuLord said:Normally not my thing to support censorship, but really, Japan, you brought this on yourself. Your country is synonymous with this sort of cultural detritus and "
PS: Dude, why you gotta be a jerk to anime fans? What did they ever do to you?
I squish weeaboos for the same reason I squish mosquitoes. They annoy me with their constant buzzing.DarkRyter said:Your generalization of an entire fanbase offends me, but, to make a point about free expression, I will assert that you have every right to say it, regardless of whoever views it as wrong or immoral.SimuLord said:Your reading comprehension disappoints me. I wasn't saying Japan's full of pedophiles, I was saying that all those anime and manga freaks are a bunch of pedophiles.FredTheUndead said:Yes yes Simulord, you think Japan is a country populated by pedophiles, now run along and fail to contribute to or actually read about some other thread's subject matter.SimuLord said:Normally not my thing to support censorship, but really, Japan, you brought this on yourself. Your country is synonymous with this sort of cultural detritus and "
PS: Dude, why you gotta be a jerk to anime fans? What did they ever do to you?
We are not all weeaboos, you know.SimuLord said:
OT: Censorship is generally worse than what it is trying to censor. This case is no different.
That don't mean you should generalize them, much less classify them all as pedophiles.SimuLord said:I squish weeaboos for the same reason I squish mosquitoes. They annoy me with their constant buzzing.DarkRyter said:Your generalization of an entire fanbase offends me, but, to make a point about free expression, I will assert that you have every right to say it, regardless of whoever views it as wrong or immoral.SimuLord said:Your reading comprehension disappoints me. I wasn't saying Japan's full of pedophiles, I was saying that all those anime and manga freaks are a bunch of pedophiles.FredTheUndead said:Yes yes Simulord, you think Japan is a country populated by pedophiles, now run along and fail to contribute to or actually read about some other thread's subject matter.SimuLord said:Normally not my thing to support censorship, but really, Japan, you brought this on yourself. Your country is synonymous with this sort of cultural detritus and "
PS: Dude, why you gotta be a jerk to anime fans? What did they ever do to you?
"Some guys are annoying me and they happen to be anime fans! That must mean all anime fans are pedophiles!"
See, I'm not seeing a very logical progression there.
Equally scary is this bill in the USA government.
Current progress on the bill - http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-3804
Thanks for your time if you read any of this information and doubly so if you are going to do anything about it.
Comment reposted from a concerned website:
COICA
November 12, Update:
The Senate Judiciary Committee has scheduled a markup Nov. 18 on S. 3804, Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act.
Remember to contact your representatives to let them know your opinion on the proposed bill. To find out who are the senators on your state and their contact information, you can visit the U.S. Senate website, by clicking here
In the United States, a new law proposal called The Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act (COICA) was introduced last week, and there will be a hearing in front of the Judiciary Committee this Thursday.
If passed, this law will allow the government, under the command of the media companies, to censor the internet as they see fit, like China and Iran do, with the difference that the sites they decide to censor will be completely removed from the internet and not just in the US.
Please see the following article from the Huffington Post for more information.
Stop the Internet Blacklist - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-segal/stop-the-internet-blackli_b_739836.html
And if you are a US citizen, please take the time to sign this petition
http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/
Update: Also for US citizens, you can email your Senator from the following link and tell him or her your concerns about this bill
Tell Your Senator: No Website Blacklists, No Internet Censorship!
https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?page=UserActionInactive&id=455
Update, from EFF's website: the Senate Judiciary Committee postponed the scheduled markup of the Internet censorship bill ? a fantastic outcome, given that the entertainment industry and their allies in Congress had hoped this bill would be quickly approved before the Senators went home for the October recess. Massive thanks to all who used the EFF Action Center to write to your Senators to oppose this bill.
Current progress on the bill - http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-3804
Thanks for your time if you read any of this information and doubly so if you are going to do anything about it.
Comment reposted from a concerned website:
COICA
November 12, Update:
The Senate Judiciary Committee has scheduled a markup Nov. 18 on S. 3804, Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act.
Remember to contact your representatives to let them know your opinion on the proposed bill. To find out who are the senators on your state and their contact information, you can visit the U.S. Senate website, by clicking here
In the United States, a new law proposal called The Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act (COICA) was introduced last week, and there will be a hearing in front of the Judiciary Committee this Thursday.
If passed, this law will allow the government, under the command of the media companies, to censor the internet as they see fit, like China and Iran do, with the difference that the sites they decide to censor will be completely removed from the internet and not just in the US.
Please see the following article from the Huffington Post for more information.
Stop the Internet Blacklist - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-segal/stop-the-internet-blackli_b_739836.html
And if you are a US citizen, please take the time to sign this petition
http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/
Update: Also for US citizens, you can email your Senator from the following link and tell him or her your concerns about this bill
Tell Your Senator: No Website Blacklists, No Internet Censorship!
https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?page=UserActionInactive&id=455
Update, from EFF's website: the Senate Judiciary Committee postponed the scheduled markup of the Internet censorship bill ? a fantastic outcome, given that the entertainment industry and their allies in Congress had hoped this bill would be quickly approved before the Senators went home for the October recess. Massive thanks to all who used the EFF Action Center to write to your Senators to oppose this bill.
Glad that Funk posted this. He worded it very well.
On one hand I'm upset with any kind of censorship and the thought police bullshit that the government is sure to pull. Governments shouldn't regulate this kind of stuff. That should be in the hands of the parents. And considering some of my favorite shows could be censored (Oh God Nia was naked in Gurren Lagann censor for the childrens!)this makes me wonder if I won't see any of them in the media anymore.
On the other hand really exceptional talent can rise in times of extreme censorship. I expect we'll see some really exceptional shows now like Katanagatari and Clannad for example that manage to push themselves on story alone and avoid fanservice altogether. New studios will probably rise and really create some exceptional animation. I can totally look forward to that.
On one hand I'm upset with any kind of censorship and the thought police bullshit that the government is sure to pull. Governments shouldn't regulate this kind of stuff. That should be in the hands of the parents. And considering some of my favorite shows could be censored (Oh God Nia was naked in Gurren Lagann censor for the childrens!)this makes me wonder if I won't see any of them in the media anymore.
On the other hand really exceptional talent can rise in times of extreme censorship. I expect we'll see some really exceptional shows now like Katanagatari and Clannad for example that manage to push themselves on story alone and avoid fanservice altogether. New studios will probably rise and really create some exceptional animation. I can totally look forward to that.
Between this and the supreme court case, I'm enacting a new version of Godwin's Law. If anyone ever attempts to use the "think of the children" argument then anything they have to say is probably rooted in bias. If you can't find any evidence that anime or games harm children, then use the child safety card and hope nobody notices that you are full of shit.Xzi said:
The truly ironic part of this whole situation is that the bill would have no effect on the down right pornographic content that airs on regular TV in Japan. An otherwise 13+ rated magical girl series would be banned, but not a trashy semi-pornographic soap opera. If people really want to protect children, then stop infringing on the constitutional rights of other adults and lock their children in a closet until they're 21. All of these child safety groups have nothing positive to contribute to society, end of story.
more talking about Vampire Bund Manga not anime and wont effect the novels but the anime of Spice and Wolf that might come since they been making them based off the novels and i know itll have to be censored for any new anime of it to be made, on a side note yes the Vampire Bund anime was horrid but ive seen worse things get rebooted(albeit in US markets more then japanese market).FredTheUndead said:
I bet the same argument was made when that "evil nanny state" stepped in and created age of consent laws.Sakurazaki1023 said:
No good could ever come from stopping folks from screwing 12 year olds, either, I'm sure.
Did I ever say he didn't exist? No, I don't believe I did. I merely said that this would provide more incentive to make a mature animated series in North America.FredTheUndead said:
I still find this hilarious in that it basically does nothing to regulate the porn, while shitting on the fandom.
Yes the Bill COULD affect [insert some anime title which OBVIOUSLY WON'T be affected], but I very much doubt it will. This fear here is based on an article but nobody has read the actual system of classification. Go find it; it's most probably going to be available at request, like all ratings schema. Most likely, you'll find that like EVERY ratings schema in the developed, FREE world, there are multiple means there in which honest artistic expression CANNOT be suppressed, but malicious or devious works CAN BE.
Only the USA is the USA. It seems that most people today think that their own country's rights are just like the USA. This is the result of basing all their common knowledge on imported media and opinion. So called "freedom of speech" is grossly abused and distorted in the USA, but so be it. In other countries, there are limits when such freedom is at the detriment of others, especially others less powerful.
Egalitarian positions such as those in the USA's freedoms of speech and expression, etc, are brilliant in theory. They offer protection to poeple suffering cases of REAL oppression and subjugation. However, they also lead people down a slippery slope where in their drive for egalitarian utopia, they ironically harm the people around them.
Anyway, even with my love of anime, I find it hard to defend the products that this Bill is going for, and it's not the Evangelions or "transforming heroes" anime which are so popular. Arguing that it IS, is only clouding a very real issue of child objectification for sexual purposes. Any body who doesn't live here in Japan is also deficit in understanding of this Bill's context. When capsule toy stores have entire rows dedicated to figures of underage girl characters in post-rape disarray, or beckoning seductively, that's a problem. Those figures are from and fueled by the sexualisation of children or "child-like" bodies in comics and anime.
This serious issue needs to be addressed, but perhaps this Bill is not the best way to go about that. Yet, it's a start in the process. Otherwise, defeat it and introduce a better means. It seems that people today are so "yes/no" in their thinking, all or nothing. There's no sense throwing the baby away with the bath water.
Only the USA is the USA. It seems that most people today think that their own country's rights are just like the USA. This is the result of basing all their common knowledge on imported media and opinion. So called "freedom of speech" is grossly abused and distorted in the USA, but so be it. In other countries, there are limits when such freedom is at the detriment of others, especially others less powerful.
Egalitarian positions such as those in the USA's freedoms of speech and expression, etc, are brilliant in theory. They offer protection to poeple suffering cases of REAL oppression and subjugation. However, they also lead people down a slippery slope where in their drive for egalitarian utopia, they ironically harm the people around them.
Anyway, even with my love of anime, I find it hard to defend the products that this Bill is going for, and it's not the Evangelions or "transforming heroes" anime which are so popular. Arguing that it IS, is only clouding a very real issue of child objectification for sexual purposes. Any body who doesn't live here in Japan is also deficit in understanding of this Bill's context. When capsule toy stores have entire rows dedicated to figures of underage girl characters in post-rape disarray, or beckoning seductively, that's a problem. Those figures are from and fueled by the sexualisation of children or "child-like" bodies in comics and anime.
This serious issue needs to be addressed, but perhaps this Bill is not the best way to go about that. Yet, it's a start in the process. Otherwise, defeat it and introduce a better means. It seems that people today are so "yes/no" in their thinking, all or nothing. There's no sense throwing the baby away with the bath water.